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scropiojunkie85
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posted September 16, 2014 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep looking at my chart and I look back at all of my relationships and the patterns are the same. I have both venus and neptune at the 22 degree... and neptune is in that 8th house. I also have my ascendant conjunct my north node. I have my descendant, south node and saturn all conjunct in ruthless Scorpio. I just keep hearing that these are all aspects of people who eventually end up committing suicide or dying tragically. All of my relationships seem to be intensely karmic, nothing else gets me out of my emotional bubble, but when my feelings are activated they flood uncontrollably and I just retreat. I know that astrology is just suppose to give you an idea of the energies you have stored inside of you, and what you do with them is completely up to you. You will always have free will. But can someone take a look at this chart and maybe give me some advice? Should I just give up on relationships all together. That neptune is killing me. I have this incessant need to make sense and nothing makes sense.

Any insight would be super appreciated. I'm just trying to figure out how to make the best use of the energies that the universe has bestowed upon me. I am sure I am NOT using my energies wisely or else I wouldn't be asking this question.

If you have similar aspects in your chart it would be nice to hear from you.

Thank you.

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Aubyanne
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posted September 16, 2014 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If everyone that fits a particular astrological pattern (born on that day, or with similar configurations) was here for the sole purpose of dying tragically, I'd want to have a word with the Universe.

Does it seem oddly logical? Indeed -- if the Universe is a glorified cosmic scientist, and we, its grand petrie dish. But I'm not sure that's the case.

In my 25 years of studying astrology, I've learnt that astrology is the science of potential. Studying your own karma in relation to your natal chart can be a fascinating way of evaluating how the now is influenced by the then -- and vice versa.

Take my partner's TISIPHONE-HADES conjunction. We've now cheekily nicknamed it his 'It's Evil, Kill It With Fire' aspect. While he fully admits to having an overwhelming subconscious desire to eradicate all serial killers, terrorists, and mass murderers a la Dexter Morgan, he keeps his cool. Perhaps a great outlet for his own furious orientation is his work -- which features actual Fury characters ridding the modern world of the evil he detests.

That's all gravy, except that it's exactly conjunct my CHIRON -- and square my NODES.

Huuuuuuh. Well, that ain't good.

Did I mention I created a character fifteen years ag0 that's essentially a modern-day Tisiphonic vigilante serial killer? With his physical description and personality as a dead-ringer match? True story. (Well, true fiction, I suppose.)

So, in all honesty, he'd really be less a Dexter Morgan than a Dr Penderan Fauste -- which is his role in my upcoming TV series, Hunting Alice.

All cool in the gang so far. ... Except for that blasted CHIRON / NODAL configuration. And, ohh, it's a nasty one. Maybe, if we're going with the transdimensional explanation, he's got a parallel timeline which is a bit closer to his role than his actual life. The fact that my CHIRON's there always been of a concern -- except it's the Wounded Healer, mind. And there's been quite a bit of that between us, mutually-speaking.

So you might consider that even the most dastardly aspects and configurations are more reminiscent of a darker past you've either resolved, or is just lurking beneath the surface, offering greater advantage.

With all that Scorpio, why not delve into the deeper mysteries of life? He begun by studying evil in every possible vein in his adolescence: every shape and size, from the classic horror monsters from our imagination to those who really go bump in the night. It's no surprise he became a horror author -- who'd eventually play such a character embodying his TISIPHONE-HADES.

Try asking how you can better understand the unique gifts your own 'darker patterns' can yield. SATURN, after all, is a also a wonderful healer once it masters its own lessons; and PLUTO square SUNs are right up there when it comes to ferreting out some of life's more deeply buried mysteries.

I do a lot of sex and criminology research with mine, along with my contributions to Hollyweird.

Think less about 'am I doomed?' and more about 'why did I choose this chart that I have, and what can I learn about my past which will shed light on my future?' You'd be amazed with what you can learn when you stop thinking in linear terms.

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scropiojunkie85
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posted September 16, 2014 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess that's the real question I'm asking.

I'm a scientist finishing (or trying to) finish a phd but my relationship needs/ issues keep getting in the way. I keep calling all of these super creative guys into my life. I'm a creative writer and published poet, I can write stories all day long if you let me. The only way I can deal with pressure is by diving into fantasy, but I think I'm stuck there and have no idea how to get out. I'm just a total mess. Relationships just tear me apart and I just didn't know if that is something that I must relinquish in this "lifetime" to keep myself sane.

I do have that saturn return approaching and it'll hit my descendent first. And chiron is looming over my venus. I'm really just trying to figure out how to deal with all of it and make the best use of my energy.

I thought maybe some experienced astrologers could be able to help with that. At least give me a little insight into my chart.

I appreciate your response. It made me feel better for sure. Thank you.

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posted September 17, 2014 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well many people exist and live most of their life as a single. Whether all of them or only some have ever experienced love is hard to know, but my guess is that the majority of them HAVE experienced a somehow tragical love life and chose to skip it for good.

And maybe that is a good thing? Everyones lives are not the same, and its not "all about love". "Love (from a guy/girl)" is not the only thing there is. Some people talk about love as if its the only thing that matters - I mean love to their partner.

But you can also have love from your work, your hobbies, animals, friends, family, children, nature, your career etc.

I think seriously, that not everyone will ever have an ideal love life, but I will say that a nice and ideal synastry might do the trick, if you find out what you need and manage to find the right partner…. but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack.

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posted September 17, 2014 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scropiojunkie85:
I guess that's the real question I'm asking.

I'm a scientist finishing (or trying to) finish a phd but my relationship needs/ issues keep getting in the way. I keep calling all of these super creative guys into my life. I'm a creative writer and published poet, I can write stories all day long if you let me. The only way I can deal with pressure is by diving into fantasy, but I think I'm stuck there and have no idea how to get out. I'm just a total mess. Relationships just tear me apart and I just didn't know if that is something that I must relinquish in this "lifetime" to keep myself sane.

I do have that saturn return approaching and it'll hit my descendent first. And chiron is looming over my venus. I'm really just trying to figure out how to deal with all of it and make the best use of my energy.

I thought maybe some experienced astrologers could be able to help with that. At least give me a little insight into my chart.

I appreciate your response. It made me feel better for sure. Thank you.


First of all, as a fellow PhD student, how the bleep do you even have time to date? lolol. Do you take enough breaks between relationships to be alone and be comfortable with yourself? Sometimes when we continue to attract non-ideal relationships or people that just don't really fit what we need, it is a manifestation of something about ourselves or our lives that we don't want to face or work on.

I think once the experienced astrologist chime in, not me lol, you might start to see a pattern or situation that wasn't so visible or noticeable before. By pattern I mean you and your behaviors, not the relationships since you stated you've found patterns there.

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posted September 17, 2014 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sc0rpioRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have chiron in the 7th house.... and I feel this is the reason why i wont experience love... along with having a 12th scorpio ascendent, pluto and saturn in the 12th south node in the 12th too...

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scropiojunkie85
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posted September 17, 2014 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hahahaha I seriously do not know how I'm managing. I've been in lala land since last year. My phd is in biophysics and it hit me hard, my self-esteem got in the way. I just felt like some imposter of some sort. I do take breaks in between relationships. It's hard for me to like someone. But when I do, it's instant. There's just something alluring about them and then I put them under my microscope.

I was looking at the pullens astrology section on astro.com and it says that my ruling planet is Venus followed by Pluto and that my Ruling sign is Scorpio followed by Pisces. I'm attracted to super creative types. I NEED to write or paint or submerge myself in literature or stories to deal with the pressure of the PhD. I can't date a scientist bc I feel intellectual co-dependent in some strange way. These creative guys tend to shut y brain up and I zone out. There's a canceling of energies. It's really weird. I can predict when I'm going to see them or when I'll hear from them. I usually can "smell" them when they are about to come back into my life or want to see me. It's really all very strange.

I'm a total quack and I just don't know how to use my energies efficiently.

Right now the guy I'm seeing is in film and he gets calls to do lots of music videos n documentaries. We just bounds off each other, I'll have some crazy story in my head with characters developed and then he puts it on paper with his own twist and it comes to life. I'm free to think about my gene therapy project all day long. I get to track a therapy that cures blindness. We are both looking through different lenses. It's kind of cool, but I'm terrified. It's emotionally deep, deeper than I've ever explored and I need stuff to make sense. And nothing makes sense.

I was wondering if I should leave science and pursue the arts. I have all that pisces square neptune and I ruled by venus. But then I look at my chart and my pisces moon is at that 28degree which is said to bring scientific success. And my sun is in the 10th conjunct my MC. And my mercury is in Capricorn in the 9th also conjunct my MC. So I just don't know.

My north node/ASC conjunction is in taurus in the first, so I know that in this life I'm supposed to develop my own identity and work towards financial success, but that south node/DSC/Saturn nightmare trines my moon/venus/mars and so I interpret that as my partner helping me stabilize my feelings so that I can move forward, to develop me. My relationship has to probably function more as a friendship that's deeply penetrating? The men that have given me that kind of emotional pressure release have all been born on the same two days. Nov17-18. It's been 3 of them. One is my best guy friend.

Idk, I need an expert to chime in...

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posted September 17, 2014 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Idk chiron in the 7th sounds Waaay better to me than south node/saturn conjunct descentant in the 7th PLUS uranus also in the seventh 😫... Chiron hurts but it opens you up and heals the one you love. I kinda like that actually.

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posted September 17, 2014 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sc0rpioRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scropiojunkie85:

Idk chiron in the 7th sounds Waaay better to me than south node/saturn conjunct descentant in the 7th PLUS uranus also in the seventh 😫... Chiron hurts but it opens you up and heals the one you love. I kinda like that actually.

Chiron in 7th heals others but not themselves... thats geartbreaking.. all ive ever dreamt of was true love....

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posted September 18, 2014 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scorpio Junkie,

I don't think Neptune/Venus is the issue. I just looked at your chart. Your Neptune is at 2 degrees 22 seconds Capricorn, while your Venus/Mars conjunction is at 22 degrees(Venus) and 23 degrees (Mars) of Pisces.

One challenging aspect you do have in your natal chart is Pluto square Sun. Are you prone to extremes emotionally? You might try looking into this aspect.

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posted September 18, 2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestaFlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi scorpio,

I'm sorry that you feel that way. But before I take a look at your chart I would like to say something about suicide, neptune and scorpio.
As far as I read scorpio is an energetic sign that needs to renew itself constantly. A rebirth comes after a metaphorical death period. That means you may feel down and when you hit the bottom, you reborn. However, neptune is an idealistic planet. Whatever it does, it's a dreamer not ambitious but rigid about dreams. So when I combine these two your rebirth periods will push you as you will strive to renew yourself in an idealistic way, in a certain way. As a psychology graduate I can relate why people with this aspect are prone to suicide/suicidal thoughts. When they cannot achieve their dreams they must be feeling defeated and that just digs them deeper. But let me make this clear, this aspect has its ups and downs. If you can handle its downs you will awarded with ups.

And oh, I saw a packed 11th house in pisces. Your moon is not alone, there a lot of helpful, insightful conjunctions there.

And about love; your watery moon, venus and 7th house may be increasing your expectations from love and maybe you are hiding most things to yourself instead of sharing. This is not a problem, this is you being you. And believe me, if you accept these as a part of your identity, you will feel relieved. And a mature, 'knowing thyself' type of guy attracts gals a lot.

I mean a venus in pisces is a great energy, go enjoy it and don't give too much credit to the negative events. You have a nice chart and I think it has love in it too. Maybe all you need is a calm, sensual and emotional girl that has similar watery signs with you.


[ Attention: I'm a newbie both in astrology and psychology, so correct me if I'm wrong. Your criticsm will be much appreciated.]

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scropiojunkie85
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posted September 20, 2014 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey LotisWhite!

I have looked into it, but I haven't given it the attention it deserves. My sun is conjunct my MC and Jupiter (but in capricorn? how does that work?), square pluto (which sounds like a nightmare and maybe this is where my obsessiveness comes from? i can be obsessive when in pursuit of something, but seems to be only in relationships which I don't understand. Pluto in the 6th house square my sun in the 10th? Isn't the 6th house work related? I am a researcher. I am an excellent stalker of all things... So maybe I should really learn more about this aspect. Looks less messy than the rest of my chart. :/

Thank you!

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posted September 20, 2014 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VestaFlake:
Hi scorpio,

I'm sorry that you feel that way. But before I take a look at your chart I would like to say something about suicide, neptune and scorpio.
As far as I read scorpio is an energetic sign that needs to renew itself constantly. A rebirth comes after a metaphorical death period. That means you may feel down and when you hit the bottom, you reborn. However, neptune is an idealistic planet. Whatever it does, it's a dreamer not ambitious but rigid about dreams. So when I combine these two your rebirth periods will push you as you will strive to renew yourself in an idealistic way, in a certain way. As a psychology graduate I can relate why people with this aspect are prone to suicide/suicidal thoughts. When they cannot achieve their dreams they must be feeling defeated and that just digs them deeper. But let me make this clear, this aspect has its ups and downs. If you can handle its downs you will awarded with ups.

And oh, I saw a packed 11th house in pisces. Your moon is not alone, there a lot of helpful, insightful conjunctions there.

And about love; your watery moon, venus and 7th house may be increasing your expectations from love and maybe you are hiding most things to yourself instead of sharing. This is not a problem, this is you being you. And believe me, if you accept these as a part of your identity, you will feel relieved. And a mature, 'knowing thyself' type of guy attracts gals a lot.

I mean a venus in pisces is a great energy, go enjoy it and don't give too much credit to the negative events. You have a nice chart and I think it has love in it too. Maybe all you need is a calm, sensual and emotional girl that has similar watery signs with you.


[ Attention: I'm a newbie both in astrology and psychology, so correct me if I'm wrong. Your criticsm will be much appreciated.]



Hey! Hahaha I'm a girl. I think it's funny that you thought I was a guy.

You gave me a bunch to reflect on.

When an end comes, it really does feel like death and the crazy thing is, I can usually see it coming. I go through the grieving before the actual situation comes to an end. I let go way before the persons involved ever know there is anything wrong. It's so strange.


"As a psychology graduate I can relate why people with this aspect are prone to suicide/suicidal thoughts. When they cannot achieve their dreams they must be feeling defeated and that just digs them deeper. But let me make this clear, this aspect has its ups and downs. If you can handle its downs you will awarded with ups. " <- that is SO ON THE MONEY. When I don't have an outlet for my creativity, which spurs from dreams, real dreams, I cannot function and everything falls apart, and then I get back to work as a completely different person, a whole new perspective, because climbing out of the psychological pit of hell is not easy and ultimately I end up having to change my perspective in drastic ways to survive myself.

I'm not an Scorpio, I just attract them like ants to a lollipop. It's pretty amazing. I'm an Aquarius. And I'm currently seeing a guy who is a Scorpio with his 5th house Sun/mercury/pluto right on my DSC/7th house conjunct my south node and saturn. That pisces moon trines his Sun and my saturn trines his aries mars (which is also conjunct my moon).

But I think it's that pisces moon of his... He has a pisces moon that's conjunct my psyche and I can just look at him and know what he wants. And I lie to you not "And about love; your watery moon, venus and 7th house may be increasing your expectations from love and maybe you are hiding most things to yourself instead of sharing. This is not a problem, this is you being you. And believe me, if you accept these as a part of your identity, you will feel relieved." <--THAT is the current lesson. I am a total and complete sap that can never ever talk about any of it. But with him I just let it all out and hold my breath. And he is encouraging of it and I'm becoming more and more comfortable being the weirdo that I am. I am a strange one. Lol.

Anyhow thank you for your thoughtful feed back. It was for sure very very helpful and insightful.


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posted September 27, 2014 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scropiojunkie85:
I guess that's the real question I'm asking.

I'm a scientist finishing (or trying to) finish a phd but my relationship needs/ issues keep getting in the way. I keep calling all of these super creative guys into my life. I'm a creative writer and published poet, I can write stories all day long if you let me. The only way I can deal with pressure is by diving into fantasy, but I think I'm stuck there and have no idea how to get out. I'm just a total mess. Relationships just tear me apart and I just didn't know if that is something that I must relinquish in this "lifetime" to keep myself sane.

I do have that saturn return approaching and it'll hit my descendent first. And chiron is looming over my venus. I'm really just trying to figure out how to deal with all of it and make the best use of my energy.

I thought maybe some experienced astrologers could be able to help with that. At least give me a little insight into my chart.

I appreciate your response. It made me feel better for sure. Thank you.


There is a book I think all neptunians should read.. it is not about astrology, but about the psychology of love from a jungian perspective.. it may put some clues about the fact that falling in love is a projection of what we want to achieve with our own soul.. i guess if could put some anwswers for you...
http://www.amazon.de/We-Understanding-Psychology-Romantic-Love/dp/0062504363

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