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Topic: Progressed synastry with houserulers
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 04:46 AM
How were the progressed aspects with rulers of relationship houses at the onset of a relationship of yours?Could you check with the following parameters: °major aspects plus quindecile and quinkunx °orb: 1° °ruler of 5th, 7th, 8th house to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ruler of 1st house, ASC, MC, Vertex, true Lilith and Juno, maybe also Jupiter and Saturn (preferably traditional rulers, too, if a house is ruled by Uranus, neptune or pluto) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 05:18 AM
example of my parents ---------------------his n r5 quindecile her pr MC his n r7 quindecile her pr IC her n r5 quindecile his pr DESC his pr r5 conjunct her n Venus his pr r8 conjunct her pr Saturn her n r5 conjunct his pr Saturn her pr r7 conjunct his pr Mars his pr r5 conjunct her n r5 his pr r8 conjunct her pr r8 his pr r8 conjunct her pr r7 IP: Logged |
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 17, 2014 05:48 AM
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 08:36 AM
I like the use of 1 orb. I assume you want to check peaking?------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 10:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Vajra: Hi Ceridwen,one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...
I think you can look at both, the FM and the actual onset of the relationship, if there's a distance between them, but let's wait and see what Ceri says ------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 11:09 AM
my natal 5th/8th ruler Mercury my natal 7th ruler Moon/Sunmy p Sun opp his p Sun my p Moon sextile his n Sun (1) my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1) my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1) my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1) his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturn his natal 8th ruler Mars his natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiter
his p Uranus conj my p Venus (0) his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1) his p Saturn (also IC ruler) trine my p Sun (1) his p Mars trine my p Sun (1) his p Neptune square my p Jupiter (1) his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1) his p Jupiter conj my p Jupiter (1)
his p Uranus conj my n Uranus (ASC ruler) (0) his p Saturn square my n Mars (0) his p Mars square my n Mars (0) I will do Vertex, Juno, Lilith separately. Why Lilith, BTW?
And what do you see? ------------------
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 11:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Vajra: Hi Ceridwen,one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...
I mean specificially the time the people became a couple, which in the case of my parents was pretty much the same night I suppose. lol Or just a few days later. However for my friends it was YEARS later. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 11:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I like the use of 1 orb. I assume you want to check peaking?
Yes, Peaking. Also I want to check how important quindeciles are, as well as the relationship house rulers. BTW I mean the houserulers from natal. so if I were to check my 5th house ruler, I would find that Venus rules my natal 5th house, and iwould check the Venus position, natally and progressed. even if the new progressed chart had Gemini on the 5th house cusp (I suspect those would be important, too, but it might get a bit much checking it all. lol) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 11:44 AM
Leeloo,first off are you a couple? "my natal 5th/8th ruler Mercury my natal 7th ruler Moon/Sun my p Sun opp his p Sun my p Moon sextile his n Sun (1) my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1) my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1) my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1)"
it seems you have or had strong aspects to your 7th house ruler, also connecting to his 5th house ruler. I also take a mental note of uranus. Of course Uranus is generational, but here it is your progressed Sun running into this aspect. I consider checking for Uranus, too and the outers.Here of course it is also personalized due to rulership. "his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturn his natal 8th ruler Mars his natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiter" A virgo ASC?
Same rulerships as my Dad at least. lol "his p Uranus conj my p Venus (0) his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1)" personally I have a flaw for these electric Uranus aspects, and of course here it is the ruler of 5th house. "his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1)" interesiting that the quindecile with an angle occurs here,t oo. It really astounded me seeing in my parents progressed synastry, htough I have to check some more. Maybe it was just coincidence.
"Why Lilith, BTW?" I like her
No, seriously. I have the sneaking suspicion that while Juno represents "the wife", she might qualify as "the other woman". Or at least a slightly taboo attraction, something that gets under your skin, but you rather leave her a little in the dark, so other people might not know. Maybe I am wrong though. Still researching that one.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 12:00 PM
Yes, I think so lol It's a beautiful relationship, but it's new (it will be a year on 25lol) and we haven't moved in together and we're not your traditional couple, so I guess we're not a good example for your research, too young (as a couple). But I still wanted to know your opinion Anyway, I will focus on my parents and other long-terms and perhaps my previous relationships.Yes, Virgo ASC So your father has the same rulers? How about that! Uranus figures strongly, but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. These are the exact aspects, so to speak. I'll pay attention to the quindecile for you I love Lilith too, it's in my intercepted 1st, I was curious about the reason ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 12:05 PM
So what you need is h13?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29970 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 17, 2014 12:16 PM
Well, as long as you are officially a couple, you qualify. "but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. " Yes, you fit the Venus-theory. It was just I was surprised to find a lack of Venus-progressions to Sun, Venus, Mars, angles at the outset of some longstanding relationships, and I intend to research that phenomenon. I donīt believe in progressed orbs of 4 degrees or more. I mean while they can signify the athmosphere buidling over time, they are not the reason of people getting together like NOW. Something exact will trigger them, at least additionally.
another reason for my Lilith- might be the fact that my Solar Return has Lilith (h13, yes, I am always talking about the true one) conjunct ASC exact on 21 Cancer, which incidentally coincides with my natal Vertex, Eros and Sun/Moon-mp, and yes when I say exact I mean, under a degree exact. lol4 So it seems that is just on my timetable for now. lol
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 12:29 PM
The rest of the aspects, before moving on to some seniors lol are:my p Sun trine his p Juno (0) his p Jupiter (7th) conj my n Juno (1) my p Juno quincunx his n Pluto (0) his p Jupiter(7th) quindecile my p Vertex (0) his p Uranus sextile m n Vertex (0) his p Vertex trine my n Mars (0) my p Vertex opp his n Vertex (1) square his natal NN (0) - this combo here looks like a pretty strong contact for a fated meeting my p Moon conj his n Mean Lilith (0) my p True Lilith square his n Moon (1) so this looks a bit like a Moon/Lilith DW ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 17, 2014 01:04 PM
My parents, progressed to progressed onlyHer 5th/8th Mercury her 7th Moon/Sun lol His 5th Neptune/Jupiter His 8th Mercury His 7th Venus her p Moon conj his p Saturn (0)(2nd rler) WOW - this is the First Date her p Sun square his p Saturn (she had an exact p Sun Moon square at the time) her p Sun sextile his p Jupiter (also 2nd ruler)(1) her p Juno quincunx his p Uranus (IC ruler) (0) also semisextile his p Moon (0) her p Lilith conj his p Sun (1) look at that! her p Vertex conj his p MC (0) quincunx his p Lilith (0) his p Neptune square her p Venus (0) his p Venus/Juno trine her p IC (1) his p Venus/Juno quincunx her p Saturn (ASC ruler) (0) pretty outstanding, I'd say... Juno/IC DW ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 17, 2014 01:07 PM
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18276 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1598 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted June 05, 2016 07:09 AM
So if we look at the sun/Venus conj and trines at the onset of relationships, I've been thinking....would the ruler of either nSUN or nVENUS conjunct or trine the others progressed sun/Venus or vice versa work as a relationship starter? E.g. My natal sun ruler = Mercury in Leo (progressed) applying trine to his natal Venus in Aries and applying conjunction to his natal moon in Leo. Anyone ? IP: Logged |