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Vajra
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posted September 19, 2014 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 19, 2014 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another photo... Unfortunately I couldn't find one with them young. I like how they lean towards each other awww...They look like a very nice pair to me.
What do you think her ASC might be?

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posted September 19, 2014 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo? She kinda looks like "I'm smarter than you". Or like she's observing and analyzing (especially the 1st photo). Now be a good girl and put her ASC on his Venus Take would probably make her IC conjunct his DSC. And now we have soulmates

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posted September 19, 2014 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy, this was my first choice also

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posted September 19, 2014 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 19, 2014 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a feeling it may look like this, but of course, it's just speculation.

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posted September 19, 2014 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the Composite

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posted September 19, 2014 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, she needs an earlier ASC

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posted September 19, 2014 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 19, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, for this wonderful case.

Let me talk about progressions. Only Geo.


They met in 1914. Ofcourse I don’t know the exact month so I took MID 1914 to be as close as possible;

- His progressed Sun 7’42 LEO
- His progressed Moon 6,5 SAG
- Her natal Venus 6 SAG

(that’s very striking ^ since pMoon only moves at approx. 13 deg a year)

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In the progressed Compo we see an exact Saturn/Venus conjunction ( 0’02) – which opposed an exact Sun/Mercury conjunction (0’09) (-Venus/Saturn at 10 Scorp- Sun/Merc at 8 Taurus)
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At that time also;

- His pVenus 21,5 Virgo
- Her nMars 20,5 Sag

(^ separating square by 1 deg)

- His pMars 1,5 Virgo
- Her nVenus 6 Sag

(^ an applying square which will come into the ‘assumed tangible orb’ in about..5-6 years or so?)

- Her pMars 3’46 CAP
- His nVenus 5’06 Virgo

(^ haha, there we have it! THE one I was waiting for .. an applying trine within the expected melting love-orb – and since it is Mars it’s a pretty slow one also… with the peak in about 3 years)

More nice to expect;

- Her pVenus 28 Sag
- His nVenus 5 Virgo

(^ an applying trine with the peak in about 6 years)

AND in the p-to-p;

- Her pVenus 28 Sag
- His pMars 1’20 Virgo

(^ a niceee applying trine by 3’20 deg – a longgg one since both are progressed planets.. )


SO, what’s the sum of all the above ^^ in 1920? (6 years later);

- His pMars 5’06 VIRGO
- His nVenus 5’06 VIRGO
- Her pVenus 5’14 CAP
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- (Her pMars 8’11 CAP)
- (Her nVenus 6’04 SAG)


(So.. THIS ^ is what I call THE progressed * m i r a c l e * - coming together all-at-once.. such a rarity! – with his’ personal pMars/nVenus conjunction trine her pVenus! – And.. we can SEE what’s happening with their Venus/Venus natal synastry square)


I come back later for the rest, but it was enough for now, there's a limit to screen staring

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posted September 19, 2014 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Hey, she needs an earlier ASC


Yes, maybe but at least the movement is clear (in case of a Virgo ASC Vertex/MC, Venus/IC etc.) If she were a Virgo ASC, I think Venus would most certainly be in 12th or on ASC coming from the 12th. But we need to focus on what we know for sure, the TOB independent aspectS, which I can't wait to do tomorrow

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posted September 19, 2014 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwww...such a lovely quote, Vajra! Thanks for that

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posted September 20, 2014 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All right, Mir, keep it up, it looks like there are appl Westran aspects in all these cases

Looking at their synastry now, because of the middle position of his Moon and judging by the look of this couple, chances are both aspects were valid for them, so they most likely have an outstanding double DW with
Sun trine Moon
Sun sextile Moon
Sun opp Sun
Moon trine Moon

making a luminary Kite, an extremely potent config by itself.

anything else I notice at first glance, a significant number of quincunxes and at least on Thor's Hammer, showing this synastry may have a lot of fated markers and that they both faced events testing their strength or putting them in a position of power as a test (the Thor's Hammer). There must be some Yods in there wwith all those quincunxes; they also show a degree of excitement and not getting bored with each other and they go well with the more classical combo of the chart.

The lady's Jupiter (Venus and Mars disp) is on his Venus (ASC ruler) and Mercury (Venus disp) mdp.

Sun/Jupiter opp Sun conj Juno exact is outstanding and the direction of the Kite. Her Sun benefited a lot from this partnership.
She has a Mars/Juno sextile, and his Mars (conj her Valentine) opp her Juno, in combo with his Juno conj her Sun.


Getting back to planets/angles (Juno attracted my attention), they have

Sun/Saturn Moon/Saturn on one side, and Sun Jupiter Moon/Jupiter on the other

No Venus Mars direct, but a nice combo with Venus square Venus and Mars trine Mars, a Fire trine combined with a mutable square

DWs visible at first glance

possible Mars/Moon
Moon/Neptune

Sun/Uranus
Moon/Uranus

Mars/Neptune
Venus/Pluto
Mercury/Saturn - his Mercury a bit unaspected, but I guess the Mercury/Saturn same harmonic DW worked
Mars/Saturn DW with square and septile and Venus quintile Saturn (0)

Mercury/Moon 4th harmonic DW

etc


a potential nice Butterfly and the pattern completion provided by the Kite

looking at angle/NN involvement/overlays

NN in Pisces with the same asteroids Lilith, Amor and Vesta
Venus conj SN squared by her own Venus
her Neptune NN ruler squaring his nodal axis, I guess Pluto too (and he has the same lesson)

her Jupiter (Venus Mars disp) on his IC
her Moon/Uranus on his DSC
her Mercury and Ceres and possibly Vertex on his MC - another case of Ceres on an angle in marriages
her Psyche on his ASC

her Sun and Mercury in his sec 8th
her Moon stellium in his sec 5th on his MC ruler and, VERY important IMO it's an intercepted 5th and I think her ASC/DSC must really be in his interception, but nevertheless, she already triggers his interception indirectly
her Venus Mars in his 7th and 8th

all overlays coming from her are according to his natal love config


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posted September 20, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you, guys, make of Composite Moon receiving a lot of squares and oppositions.?

Like the one in this example - the Composite Moon squares Chiron, Sun, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and opposes Mercury...

What to make of squared Composite Moon?
Since the Composite chart is made of midpoints only, do the squares count as stressful aspect or just like in any midpoint astrology - only the hard aspect would count, and as equal at that.

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posted September 20, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange, as a matter of fact I checked that T/square and, interestingly, it's valid the whole day, no matter when she was born. I suspect a Cardinal cross with an angle or a major asteroid, it's not one of the asteroids I usually use, but I think it must be there. If not, there's still a clean cut Sun/Moon/Mercury T/square reflecting their Sun/Moon DW in synastry, definitely connective IMO.

The composite is awesome. Venus conj Mars exact, and Sun and POF. A Vertex MR involving the Sun and POF. An exact Sun Uranus semisextile, I wish I knew what Uranus rules. Moon Ceres or Moon Alma. I'm sure Juno must be on an angle or something, due to their Juno in synastry. Probably Mercury is a major ruler. Jupiter/Valentine, Eros square Psyche. Amor makes multiple aspects. Saturn peregrine is very intruiguing: it trines NN opp Pholus exact, but it makes me think the Moon must be earlier, to sextile it...although they don't have much Saturn luminary action in synastry, Maybe Saturn is on angle, which changes things...could we have such a relationship with peregrine Saturn?

Interestingly, if the Moon is earlier Z(which means she was born in the morning) Pluto/Saturn/Moon would make a most intriguing Yod.

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posted September 20, 2014 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked...she would have to be born between 0 and 6 am for Saturn to be aspected, ASC in Libra Scorp or Sag...which one do you think it is?
*remember that she already has a Scorp Moon and Venus Mars in Sag

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posted September 20, 2014 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "best looking" chart for the whole interval is between 0 and 0.20 am. It places the Yod in a clear context related to their child, unfortunately. It makes Uranus DSC ruler, it also tightens the Chiron square. This is how it looks.

EDIT: just speculation, of course.

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posted September 20, 2014 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but, LeeL, I still wonder how a squared Composite Moon is affected, if at all...

I also wonder if the hard aspects in the Composite are interpreted as stressful, since its only a midpoint chart, The Composite, that is.

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posted September 20, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think they are stressful, just because they are squares, and this is a good example:
They have Sun sextile Moon Sun trine Moon in the synastry (plus Sun opp Sun Moon trine Moon) - this makes them highly compatible in their luminaries, IMO.

The trine/sextile combo translates as a Sun square Moon in the composite - I think it shows there is an "implemented" and dynamic and tangible luminary connection in their relationship, and the Cardinal placement highlights that.

And you raise a very good question, that we should check every aspect in the composite, see where it comes from, if there's a DW in the synastry, because that aspect, square or not, reflects the core result of the DW.

It also makes us think what exactly stressful is? because a trine or sextile could become stressful, if they get you to a point of great boredom and repetitiveness lol And conjunctions are already known for having a potential for becoming very stressful.

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