posted September 22, 2014 02:52 AM              

Although for example, if one doesn't have any 7th house aspects, could aspects to their secondary 7th house make up for it?

posted September 22, 2014 03:52 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Meh. It's an interesting theory, and I do enjoy Lotis' work. But for me, personally, it's hit-or-miss. I've discovered at times that the secondary house may be doing something, but it's rarely ever in lieu of traditional compatibility and attraction markers.

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posted September 22, 2014 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
No, not really. According to that theory i should have been attracted to those who put their planets in my 12th (secondary DSC), 10th (secondary 5th) or 1st (secondary 8th). While it may be somewhat true with 1st house, but i think it is just because the first house really is also about attraction - you notice those people, never the less. But unless there are planets in my main romance houses OR the rulers of those houses receive multiple aspects from someone, i won't be as attracted.

Interestingly, i do not feel 5th house attraction on its own. For me there is no need to activate my 5th house ruler, it's Saturn. My type of ideal love would be 8th house, 7th house.

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Hi Selene,

posted September 22, 2014 10:05 AM            

Well I think secondary houses work of course, and have seen multitudes of examples.

The thing is everyone will respond to the different parts of their attraction differently depending on the context of their own chart. Some respond very strongly to their secondary 7th house, and others not so much. The secondary 7th house is not necessarily active in every synastry but it is very common in my observation.

My perspective on this is that the original 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are always the most potent in they synastry of attraction, while the secondary versions of these have more of a supporting role. However, the secondary 7th house does seem to be very potent for some people. I think this is because the 7th house is an angular house and so it’s ‘echo’ is stronger. In general I tend to see the secondary 7th house is stronger then the secondary 5th and 8th houses.

Also, I like to see the secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses working in combination with the original ones. If I saw a synastry where only he secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are activated this would concern me. Along with the secondary house synastry connections, we do need some strong synastry links to the original 5th, 7th, and 8th houses as well. Again, I find that having both in synastry to some extent is very common.

There are three major ways we can activate one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses (including their secondary versions).

1. House overlays (Your partner puts personal planets in your 5th, 7th, or 8th houses)

2. Aspects to the house ruler (your partner aspects the rulers of your 5th, 7th or 8th houses)

3. Symbolism/ Affinity matches (For example, you have Jupiter in the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses and your partner has planets in Sagittarius. The important thing to remember about this one is that an actual aspect or overlay to the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses is not required)

There is one possible forth way to activate the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses as well. That is when the partner strongly aspects natal planets within our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses with planets in their chart. If we have a stellium in the 5th house, and our partner aspects it, this gives us something to chew on with all that 5th house energy.

The secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are activated in the same way as the original one.

Same with the secondary house versions of Venus and Mars in the chart. These are the house in our chart ruled by the sign of Venus for men, and Mars for women. Under this theory a women with Mars in Gemini might be attracted to her 3rd house. I’ve found multiple matches for this theory in synastry also. Not saying it fits for everyone. But it is very common.

Actually, I have a good celeb example of both the secondary 7th house, and the secondary house of Mars at work.

Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Brodrick. There is no recorded birth time for Matthew so only Sarah’s house related synastry can be used.

Sarah’s chart

Matthew’s chart (No birth time so the houses are irrelevant)

Sarah has a Sagittarius Dsc ruled by Jupiter in Taurus. Matthew has neither Sagittarius or Taurus planets. And he does not aspect her Jupiter with any tight aspects (under 3 degrees).

However, there is a strong secondary 7th house connection to Matthew’s chart for Sarah,

With a Sagittarius as her Dsc, the 9th house is her secondary 7th house. Her 8th house also starts in Sag and so the 9th house is also her secondary 8th house.

Sarah has Capricorn, ruled by Saturn in Pisces, on her 9th house cusp. Matthew has no Capricorn planets, but he does have Mars and Mercury conjunct in Pisces, and both are conjunct Sarah’s Saturn. So Matthew’s Mars and Mercury are connecting to Sarah’s secondary 7th & 8th houses.

Sarah has Mars in Virgo in the 5th house. That means her secondary Mars house is the 6th house. Libra is on Sarah’s 6th house cusp ruled by her Venus in Aries.

Matthew is an Aries with Moon in Libra. Furthermore, his Aries Sun is exactly conjunct her Aries Venus (which is actually very nice just by itself). The 6th house is also her secondary 5th house because Virgo is on her 5th house cusp.

On a side note, Matthew has some strong affinities with Sarah’s original 5th house as well.

Sarah has a triple conjunction of Uranus, Mars, and Pluto in Virgo in her 5th house. Her Virgo 5th house cusp is ruled by Mercury in Aries… Matthew has no Virgo in his chart, but he has Sun and Venus in Aries (matching her Mars in the 5th, and 5th house ruler in Aries), and Saturn and Jupiter in Aquarius (matching her Uranus in the 5th, and Mars conjunct Uranus aspect). Matthew’s Libra Moon is also likely to be in her 5th house if he was born anywhere close to noon.

posted September 22, 2014 10:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Selene,

How is Saturn aspected in your chart?

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My Saturn squares my Sun exact, and squares my Mercury and Venus wider (6 and 5 degrees respectively)

I know that it does work - i am attracted mostly to men slightly older than me, but there is no need of Capricorn energy per se.

posted September 22, 2014 11:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
My Saturn squares my Sun exact, and squares my Mercury and Venus wider (6 and 5 degrees respectively)

I know that it does work - i am attracted mostly to men slightly older than me, but there is no need of Capricorn energy per se.

Although the one i consider *ideal* for me does activate all my main romance houses, putting his Moon in my 5th, Venus in my 7th and Sun&Mercury in my 8th.

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Selene, I know how beautiful your chart with Mr Uranus is, but why would you consider it the ideal solution for your chart? I'm saying this because it has a major flaw: the man's Mars, a Scorpio Mars no less (in its own sign) is peregrine, in combination with your own Mars exactly squaring his Venus; so all I'm trying to say there is a major unbalance here, like for one is white, for the other is black. An ideal partner for you would be someone sending you at least one aspect from his Mars, why wouldn't you want to receive that energy?

What I mean is he may seem like your ideal right now, and why not? forever but astrologically speaking, he is not the ideal for your chart and viceversa

There is an intrinsic beauty and harmony and a cohesive pattern in a natal chart, it tells the same story, the geometry and the house structure work together. In terms of relational astrology, the tendency is toward completion.
Regarding the secondary houses, I have noticed there are instances when they prevail, if this dance between geometry, signs and houses requires that.
A few examples:
- one has a duplicated 7th house in Aqua and the Moon in the 5th house making a Wedge - a sextile to Saturn in the 3rd and a trine to Venus in the 9th.
- for this person, the 11th house (already an important love house) gains an extra importance, being the secondary 7th AND the secondary 8th at the same time, and in combination with the Wedge, the whole config suggests that an ideal partner must have something important (preferably the Sun) in their 11th house. In fact, it is more important for this person to have a partner putting planets in their 11th than directly in their 7th. And as I have noticed already, when studying long-term loves, this really happens! the combo geometry-love houses works.
- another example: someone has their 8th house in Aries or Taurus. Because the 1st and 2nd ale already "physical attraction" houses, chances are the physical attraction impact (being double) would be much stronger if these people receive planets in their secondary 8th, rather than in the 8th, directly. If they also have a planet there (for example Mars in the 2nd, and their Mars requires a conjunction) it is almost certain the most intense physical attraction will be felt by a 2nd house overlay rather than a direct overlay in their 8th, which may trigger, in this instance, other 8th house issues (the 8th is a complex house)
- another example, similar a bit with my own chart: let's say I have Mercury ruling 5th and 8th in the 3rd house (my secondary 5th). Putting a planet in my 3rd on my Mercury would be much more important for me in terms of attraction than putting direct planets in my 5th or 8th.

However, in all these instances, even if the secondary overlays are as potent as the direct ones and sometimes even more important, the rulers of houses 5th, 7th and 8th MUST (by this I mean they do, it's a repetitive statistical fact) always be aspected (mutually for mutual attraction and compatibility)

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posted September 22, 2014 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Selene, I know how beautiful your chart with Mr Uranus is, but why would you consider it the ideal solution for your chart? I'm saying this because it has a major flaw: the man's Mars, a Scorpio Mars no less (in its own sign) is peregrine, in combination with your own Mars exactly squaring his Venus; so all I'm trying to say there is a major unbalance here, like for one is white, for the other is black. An ideal partner for you would be someone sending you at least one aspect from his Mars, why wouldn't you want to receive that energy?

What I mean is he may seem like your ideal right now, and why not? forever but astrologically speaking, he is not the ideal for your chart and viceversa

There is an intrinsic beauty and harmony and a cohesive pattern in a natal chart, it tells the same story, the geometry and the house structure work together. In terms of relational astrology, the tendency is toward completion.
Regarding the secondary houses, I have noticed there are instances when they prevail, if this dance between geometry, signs and houses requires that.
A few examples:
- one has a duplicated 7th house in Aqua and the Moon in the 5th house making a Wedge - a sextile to Saturn in the 3rd and a trine to Venus in the 9th.
- for this person, the 11th house (already an important love house) gains an extra importance, being the secondary 7th AND the secondary 8th at the same time, and in combination with the Wedge, the whole config suggests that an ideal partner must have something important (preferably the Sun) in their 11th house. In fact, it is more important for this person to have a partner putting planets in their 11th than directly in their 7th. And as I have noticed already, when studying long-term loves, this really happens! the combo geometry-love houses works.
- another example: someone has their 8th house in Aries or Taurus. Because the 1st and 2nd ale already "physical attraction" houses, chances are the physical attraction impact (being double) would be much stronger if these people receive planets in their secondary 8th, rather than in the 8th, directly. If they also have a planet there (for example Mars in the 2nd, and their Mars requires a conjunction) it is almost certain the most intense physical attraction will be felt by a 2nd house overlay rather than a direct overlay in their 8th, which may trigger, in this instance, other 8th house issues (the 8th is a complex house)
- another example, similar a bit with my own chart: let's say I have Mercury ruling 5th and 8th in the 3rd house (my secondary 5th). Putting a planet in my 3rd on my Mercury would be much more important for me in terms of attraction than putting direct planets in my 5th or 8th.

However, in all these instances, even if the secondary overlays are as potent as the direct ones and sometimes even more important, the rulers of houses 5th, 7th and 8th MUST (by this I mean they do, it's a repetitive statistical fact) always be aspected (mutually for mutual attraction and compatibility)

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posted September 22, 2014 02:49 PM            

I personally think it must work. There is no way that a relationship can be based only on 5th, 7th and 8th house stuff.

It depends on what you personally need. For example, if you have a second house moon you could well need someone who is good with money to make you feel secure in a marriage. If you have lots of 9th house stuff, you'll needs someone who is well traveled or philosophical or well read or whatever.

Your personal needs and life focus are not all on 5th, 7th & 8th house stuff.

And as a personal example (I know you are sick of hearing about my x husband, but it was the longest relationship i've had!) We only touch 7th house with Saturn in each other's 7th. The rest is 2, 9, 10, 11, etc. There has to be some reason we were together 15 years. Mutual 7th house Saturns is not the whole story why we had a great relationship while it lasted.

posted September 22, 2014 04:56 PM            

SECONDARY HOUSES: THE HIDDEN INDICATORS OF ATTRACTION…

After looking the obvious indicators of romantic attraction, as is shown directly by the 5th ,7th and 8th houses, I’ll start examining the HIDDEN INDICATORS OF ATTACTION in the person’s chart…

Our SECONDARY 5th, 7th and 8th house cusps…

Just as we all have the PRIMARY 5th , 7th and 8th house cusps in our chart, which we all know about, there are also other houses in our chart which function as secondary versions of these houses. A backup, if you will, that provides extra information about our tastes in that area of life… These ‘backup’ houses are called SECONDARY HOUSES, and I’ve found, they can be amazingly revealing in terms of our romantic tastes when scrutinizing the secondary 5th, 7th and 8th house cusps and rulers…

I’ll continue to explain this using the Dsc as an example. But remember that EVERY house in your chart (including the 5th and the 8th ) has another secondary house that functions in a supplementary way regarding the theme that house.

Here’s how it works… (Using the Dsc as an example)

Every sign in the zodiac is naturally linked (on a symbolic level) to a certain house cusp in our chart… Aries is linked to the 1st house, Taurus is linked to the 2nd house, Gemini is linked to the 3rd house, Cancer is linked to the 4th house, and so on….

So if you want to know which of the house cusps in your chart are symbolically linked to your Dsc… look at the sign of the 7th house cusp (our PRIMARY 7th house), and then find the house in your chart that is symbolically linked to your Dsc cusp sign. For example, if you have a Pisces DSC look at the 12th house. In the case of a Pisces Dsc, the 12 house will revel supplementary information about who you are attracted to, and who you have chemistry with. Also look at planets in the 12th, the sign of house ruler, and how this ruler is aspected. In another example, if you have an Aquarius Dsc look at your natal 11th house for extra clues on what you like in partnership. For a Capricorn Dsc look to the 10th house. For a Virgo Dsc look at the 6th house. For an Aries Dsc look at the 1st house, and so on through the zodiac….

The house symbolically linked to the DSC sign is the ‘SECONDARY DSC’ and it can function as an extension of the 7th house….. In terms of what you attract, what type of partnership experiences you have, and what you look for in a partner…. It’s like the secondary Dsc is an ECHO of the primary or original natal 7th house…. The first time an echo bounces it is the clearest and the loudest…. And this echo is shown by the house symbolically linked to the sign on 7th house cusp…

Looking at it in another way… People with an Aries Dsc look for others who ‘energize’ their personality and self assertion…. So when a partner places planets in Libra or Scorpio in this persons 1st house, it will feel like natural partnership material for them. Same thing for people with a Gemini Dsc… They look for those who will energize them in the area of communication…. So when people put planets in this person’s 3rd house of communication, it also brings to the fore issues of partnership… And for people with a Sagittarius Dsc, they look for others that they can share their beliefs with, and explore with, both mentally and physically… So when people put planets into this person’s 9th house it inspires them to want to join forces with this person… And as you can guess it continues like this on through the zodiac using Dsc signs…

FOR ANYONE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT LOCATING THE ‘SECONDARY DSC’…

Here’s a list of the house cusps to look to as an extension of your DSC for each rising sign. These house cusps are symbolically linked to the sign on your DSC… showing what other traits you are attracted to in others, apart from just what the DSC alone shows.

Aries rising, Libra DSC… The 7th House has double importance.

Taurus rising, Scorpio DSC… Look to the 8th House.

Gemini rising, Sagittarius DSC… Look to the 9th House

Cancer rising, Capricorn DSC… Look to the 10th House

Leo rising, Aquarius DSC… Look to the 11th House

Virgo rising, Pisces DSC… Look to the 12th House

Libra rising, Aries DSC… Look to the 1st House

Scorpio rising, Taurus DSC… Look to the 2nd House

Sagittarius rising, Gemini DSC… Look to the 3rd House

Capricorn rising, Cancer DSC… Look to the 4th House

Aquarius rising, Leo DSC… Look to the 5th House

Pisces rising, Virgo DSC… Look to the 6th House

Can you see the pattern now?

Celebrity examples…

Ryan Reynolds has late Virgo rising, with a Pisces Dsc. His secondary 7th house is the 12th house. So he’s attracted to Pisces and 12th house energy in his love life. He married Blake Lively who has a stellium in early Virgo (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and possibly the Moon) all falling into Ryan’s 12th house… Blake’s Asc is unknown, so we can only guess as to why she was attracted to Ryan.

posted September 23, 2014 12:30 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes And the most amazing thing is that the chart's geometrical solution matches the position of the love houses.

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posted September 23, 2014 12:35 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
With out know soooo much about the technicalities.

I personally think it must work. There is no way that a relationship can be based only on 5th, 7th and 8th house stuff.

It depends on what you personally need. For example, if you have a second house moon you could well need someone who is good with money to make you feel secure in a marriage. If you have lots of 9th house stuff, you'll needs someone who is well traveled or philosophical or well read or whatever.

Your personal needs and life focus are not all on 5th, 7th & 8th house stuff.

And as a personal example (I know you are sick of hearing about my x husband, but it was the longest relationship i've had!) We only touch 7th house with Saturn in each other's 7th. The rest is 2, 9, 10, 11, etc. There has to be [b]some reason we were together 15 years. Mutual 7th house Saturns is not the whole story why we had a great relationship while it lasted.

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Hi Lucie,

I agree with what you wrote.

How would you say the Saturn-7th house connection played out? Was it a more hindering or supportive influence.

posted September 23, 2014 12:55 AM              

Thank you so much for elaborating on the secondaries.

Lets see if I got it right lol.

Say a man had an Aries 8th house, ruled by Mars in Virgo in the 1st.
Then the key primary 8th house triggers for them would have to be Aries/Mars/1st house energy and Virgo/Mercury/6th house energy, correct?

Their secondary 8th would be their 1st house in Virgo, ruled by Mercury in Libra in the 2nd.
So this signifies that they'd again be attracted to Virgo/Mercury/6th house energies, as well as Libra/Taurus/Venus/7th house/2nd house energies.

posted September 23, 2014 04:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hi Lotis,

Thank you so much for elaborating on the secondaries.

Lets see if I got it right lol.

Say a man had an Aries 8th house, ruled by Mars in Virgo in the 1st.
Then the key primary 8th house triggers for them would have to be Aries/Mars/1st house energy and Virgo/Mercury/6th house energy, correct?

Their secondary 8th would be their 1st house in Virgo, ruled by Mercury in Libra in the 2nd.
So this signifies that they'd again be attracted to Virgo/Mercury/6th house energies, as well as Libra/Taurus/Venus/7th house/2nd house energies.

So could it work then if his woman had natal Mars prominent (Moon conjunct Mars), Virgo placements, Libra placements, planets in the 2nd, as well as planets aspecting her man's Mars/ASC/Mercury?
Would this be enough to activate his 8th house?

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Yes, that's pretty much how it works.

Symbolism matches are good, but I like to see them mixed in with house ruler aspects and overlays as well. If an attraction is based purely on symbolism matches it's like direct energy transfer to the house in question is missing. Again, combinations of symbolism matches and house ruler aspects/overlays is best.

Also, I want to point out I've noticed that the secondary 7th house seems to be quite a bit stronger then the secondary 5th and 8th houses. The 7th house is an angular house.

I especially like it when I see combinations of the original and secondary houses working together. Like a synastry planet falls in our natal 5th house and aspects our secondary 7th house ruler. Or a synastry planet falls into our secondary 7th house and aspects our original 5th house ruler. Configurations like this influence the relationship houses on multiple different levels. Keep in mind these are just examples.

Apart from the houses thing I also pay attention to the gender planets (Sun, Moon, Mars and Venus), the Vertex Axis, and sometimes Juno is surprisingly informative.

posted September 23, 2014 06:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hi Lucie,

I agree with what you wrote.

How would you say the Saturn-7th house connection played out? Was it a more hindering or supportive influence.

I share an exact Saturn-DESC conjunction with someone. I'm the Saturn, and its my Descco-ruler.
Not sure if this is good or not, but his 5th house ruler itself is Saturn so I guess he'd like that energy hitting his Desc.

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If I'm honest I'll say it was both. It helped us stay together but maybe a bit too long. We both woke up one day and said, "Hmmm, I think we are just friends now. Maybe we should move on". I think that Saturn hitting our asc 14 yrs later did that. We met when it was hitting our dsc and we broke up when it came around and hit our asc. We had to review where we were and decide if we wanted to continue this way or change.

It helped us both grow up. I helped him grow in his career (well, actually get a career!) and he helped me stop being a crazy irresponsible party going Sag.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What were your secondary love houses, Lucie?

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Oh, sweetie. I'm going to have to look that up! Stop asking me technical questions. (j/k!) :P

ETA: having just re read Lotis's post I can tell you quickly that my 2nd house is my secondary 7th house (Taurus). I have moon & merc in 2nd house (Sag).

Secondary 5th is 12th, I have Venus (Scorpio) and Mars (Libra) there.
Is that right?

posted September 23, 2014 07:40 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Oh, sweetie. I'm going to have to look that up! Stop asking me technical questions. (j/k!) :P

ETA: having just re read Lotis's post I can tell you quickly that my 2nd house is my secondary 7th house (Taurus). I have moon & merc in 2nd house (Sag).

Secondary 5th is 12th, I have Venus (Scorpio) and Mars (Libra) there.
Is that right?

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I have no idea Post your chart.
The secondary houses (a term coined by Lotis) are about the flow of energy between sign and house. Each sign rules a house.
So if you have your ASC in Sag, the 9th house in your chart will be crucial to the matters of your ASC development.

If you have DSC in Taurus, yes, your 2nd is a secondary 7th house for you, and the fact that you have such important love planets there is a strong argument for the relevance of secondary houses, as I have often noticed in charts: the chart "makes sense" there is an intrinsic harmony there, as in all charts.

If he puts planets in your 2nd, it may even be more important than him putting planets directly in your 7th, because you have Moon and Mercury there, in your 2nd.

posted September 23, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have no idea Post your chart.
The secondary houses (a term coined by Lotis) are about the flow of energy between sign and house. Each sign rules a house.
So if you have your ASC in Sag, the 9th house in your chart will be crucial to the matters of your ASC development.

If you have DSC in Taurus, yes, your 2nd is a secondary 7th house for you, and the fact that you have such important love planets there is a strong argument for the relevance of secondary houses, as I have often noticed in charts: the chart "makes sense" there is an intrinsic harmony there, as in all charts.

If he puts planets in your 2nd, it may even be more important than him putting planets directly in your 7th, because you have Moon and Mercury there, in your 2nd.

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Silly girl!
I know which ones my houses are! I just meant was I right about my secondaries, which you have confirmed I've done it correctly!

See. Instinctly from my own experience I think secondaries are important and the theory "works", at least for me.

My 1, 2, 11 and 12Hs are important for me with 2, 3 & 12 being my secondaries. My ex hits 2 & 12 houses with his planets without touching 5 or 8.

The 7th with Saturn probably was an anchor. I have the shape anyway, a basket with Saturn in 7th as the anchor.

His secondary houses are 12, 1 & 2 and that's were most of my planets fall in his chart.

posted September 23, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hi Aubyanne
Do you and your twin have any secondary house stuff going on?

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Nada, Lavender.

Isn't that weird?

You MIGHT say there's a bit of secondary 7H / primary 7H action, but it's lacking anything planetary. More like his 7H fits into my 12H.

What's goofy is that I really liked the theory, because I thought, OH, NOW this explains why I draw Leonine personalities to me. Honestly, it's just my NNODE, and ISIS/OSIRIS (MP at 22º Leo). And possibly my MOON dwad at 29º Leo as well. Personally speaking, this wasn't panning out for my fellow Virgo risers, either.

My secondary 5H has a little weight to it. I like men to put things in my 10H. ( ... That sounded dirtier than intended!) But then again, it's just as likely I prefer important men (and people in general) to have things around my MC.

My secondary 11H is my 6H. Whereas, again, the question becomes: do my karmic relationships just happen to fall in my secondary 11H -- around my SNODE? Probably not. But MAN do I like stuff in my 11H. 'Oh, you have something in Cancer? COME HERE.' So transparent. WTF ....

So, I guess I'd say my Twin has his VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE, and EROS in my 6H (secondary 11H), huddled around my SNODE.

I used to be baffled when I'd find a man who makes me feel secure, appreciated, and loved is a lunar Cap (my 5H). Of course, naturally my 'kids' and proteges end up there. Like my stepdaughter. FILL IT TO THE BRIM. MOON smack on my ASC; everything else -- SUN, MERC, VENUS, CHIRON -- all my 5H.

So, for me, at least, it seems to be mostly in the primary houses. Same with my Twin; my SUN-PLUTO and VENUS/ASC are across his 7H and 8H; PSYCHE's in his 5H; (his EROS is in mine.) And all of my Scorpio clusters around his MC (as my MOON's right on it).

posted September 23, 2014 12:54 PM              

On the other hand, it - symbolically- makes a lot of sense to me, and I have seen it work in charts. The beauty of it is that it illuminates an underlying net/ web of threads (just another way to look at the chart).

For me personally:

my secondary 5th house is my 2nd house, and it contains his Venus, Pallas and Psyche.

my secondary 7th house is my 3rd house, and it contains his Priapus, SN, Eros, Pholus and ASC.

my secondary 8th house is my 4th house, and it contains his Osiris and Ceres.

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his secondary 5th house is his 4th house and it contains nothing from my chart, unless we count NESSUS conjunct his IC, and we do not want to count that one.

his secondary 7th house is his 6th house, nothing of importance falls there, except my Lilith(ast), Hekate, Rudra falling into his Amor-Mars-Jupiter in his 6th.

and since Libra intercepted, it is also his 7th house.

his secondary 8th house is his well, 8th house,

So yes, he fills some of my secondary houses, especially with his Venus and his ASC I think, while I don´t.

On the other hand our primary houses contain these overlays

my 5th house:
his Vesta and Chiron

my 7th house:
his ISIS and IC

my 8th house:
his Juno

his 5th house:
my Saturn (cusp), Vertex, eros, Destinn, Priapus

his 7th house:
my MC, Uranus, Pluto, Union

posted September 23, 2014 04:01 PM            

Virgo? Hm. Do I find the qualities of Virgo sexy, per se. I LIKE them. There's a simpatico, most definitely. But this is the 8H here; we can't just ditch sex in favour of deep sharing and intimacy.

Do I find INTIMACY with Virgo? No. That'd be nice, but, no. They've gotta have either Cancer points, Leo points, or, most bizarrely, Sag points for intimate-sharing to happen.

In regards to straight up engines-revving? Aries. Aries energy. I'M SO GUILTY. Even if it's JUST so my Libra can go, 'oh, ME? Not ME.' And y'know, drop the handkerchief.

Perhaps, to be fair, the secondary house is more of a dwad energy -- a further description.

Because I can TOTALLY see how once the impulsive energy of Aries is translated into Virgo precision, self-control, and propriety .... Mmm, oh, my, yes. THAT'll do it.

posted September 23, 2014 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
No, not really. According to that theory i should have been attracted to those who put their planets in my 12th (secondary DSC), 10th (secondary 5th) or 1st (secondary 8th). While it may be somewhat true with 1st house, but i think it is just because the first house really is also about attraction - you notice those people, never the less. But unless there are planets in my main romance houses OR the rulers of those houses receive multiple aspects from someone, i won't be as attracted.

Interestingly, i do not feel 5th house attraction on its own. For me there is no need to activate my 5th house ruler, it's Saturn. My type of ideal love would be 8th house, 7th house.

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