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Topic: Stupid question regarding "love charts"
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I'm so cappy
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From: Death Star
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posted September 23, 2014 11:46 AM
  
What if oral sex occurs before intercourse? Would it count?------------------
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Vajra
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posted September 23, 2014 11:53 AM
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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 23, 2014 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
According to Bill Clinton, no. Otherwise, yes! 
He may be right...it was more an affair of state, that one. ------------------
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Aubyanne
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posted September 23, 2014 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
According to Bill Clinton, no. Otherwise, yes!
 Love this. And GOOD question! Huh. Well, y'know what, I'll be a guinea pig. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted September 23, 2014 04:19 PM
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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 23, 2014 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
I don't know about that, LeeLoo… but it's safe to say that I at least will never be able to look at a cigar quite the same way again, after what Clinton and Monica did! And while we're at it: What about phone sex or cyber sex, given that this is ever more common these days?
omg gross! indeed I hope you didn't have the unhealthy habit of smoking a good Cuban cigar after lunch and they spoiled it for you Cyber sex...that's a good one...Uranus in the mix?  ------------------
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Vajra
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posted September 23, 2014 04:43 PM
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VestaFlake
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posted September 23, 2014 04:54 PM
I think oral sex counts as sex. But than again I'm grown up enough to know penetration and blowing are two different things. I think oral sex makes a fair enough reason for a foreplay chart And for cyber sex, I would not consider it as real one, but rather manifestaion of desire. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted September 23, 2014 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Nope! I only ever smoked one on my 18th birthday ('twas a gift), and because I am not like Clinton, and nobody warned me not to, I most unfortunately inhaled the entire time, and was so utterly miserable the next day that I never wanted to make it a habit…Yeah, I agree about Uranus for Cyber Sex. But Cappy's question was whether such an event would constitute grounds for casting a love chart if no actual intercourse has taken place before. I think phone sex and cyber sex are quite personal and intimate and should count for something, but what is your take?
wow... did you smoke all of it? you must have strong lungs lol I dunno...I think it counts, we can cast a chart, although it won't be like the body-to-body thing. I think cyber/phone sex is interesting, but a bit lame if this is what you do for the first time you do this with someone. I think it's better to try this with someone you have already touched and kissed and....the rest lol ------------------
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I'm so cappy
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From: Death Star
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted September 23, 2014 05:28 PM
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But Cappy's question was whether such an event would constitute grounds for casting a love chart if no actual intercourse has taken place before.
Yes. Now stop giggling like virgins and tell me what you think, people  There can be only 1 love chart (btw, who invented this name? it sounds silly and sex isn't always accompanied by love) with each person so I'd like us to come to some conclusion. Of course oral sex is different and less invasive than penetration but it's still sex. So, do we do a chart for the 1st oral session if it precedes the 1st intercourse and treat it as the love chart or is only a private parts conjunction valid in this case?
Cyber/phone sex? Let's not exaggerate.
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I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 9778
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posted September 23, 2014 05:40 PM
I'll put it like this: imagine you have a new man and you have oral sex first. Would you do a chart for this event and use it as your love chart? Why yes? Why not?------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 23, 2014 05:44 PM
It's a late hour (hahaha first I wrote "house", my mind is full of secondary houses hehehe) here, so I guess we can discuss it until the thread gets closed Personally, I think including oral sex on the menu the first time you make love to someone is a bit overdoing it, it's not a sex techniques marathon after all, the first time is more like an embrace. And if the two are not incredibly "fired up" + emotional and nervous the first time they do it, maybe they should stick to cyber sex ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted September 23, 2014 05:51 PM
Omg!!!I mean something like: oral sex for a few days or weeks and then one day proper bunga bunga. I wasn't talking about doing it right before! If I did, this whole thread wouldn't make sense. You know, some people don't wanna start with going all the way, they prefer to gradually explore each other instead. At least virgins ------------------
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PixieJane
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posted September 23, 2014 05:54 PM
ISC, I thought you might appreciate this on why oral sex is so much more intimate than intercourse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxSU7zDmOE It's fun, but I thought she made some good points, too. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted September 23, 2014 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Omg!!!I mean something like: oral sex for a few days or weeks and then one day proper bunga bunga. I wasn't talking about doing it right before! If I did, this whole thread wouldn't make sense. You know, some people don't wanna start with going all the way, they prefer to gradually explore each other instead. At least virgins
Well, that's different ...in this case, it makes much more sense, it's like a ..."preparation of the virgin".
But since we're talking virgins, in this case, I think the actual "love chart" is going to be the final act rather than the preparation.
I would check:
First Kiss Chart
Love Chart (I think it's funny they call it that haha it's a Magi thing, but it's quite romantic)
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PixieJane
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posted September 23, 2014 06:04 PM
What is a "love chart"?I thought this was a compatibility chart which doesn't mean sex. It was how they got along socially, romantically, and all that. And it wouldn't apply to Bill & Monica as I saw nothing there that implied love or romance (and I read the book Monica put out on her relationship with Clinton). And just to be clear, sex and genuine lust does not imply that all by itself. I've heard of sexual compatibility charts in which case it seems obvious to me that oral sex counts. This would apply to Bill & Monica. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 9778
From: Death Star
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posted September 23, 2014 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
[B]ISC, I thought you might appreciate this on why oral sex is so much more intimate than intercourse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxSU7zDmOE
Hehe, thanks. I consider both equally intimate but I believe it would take me less time to become ready for oral sex. The thought of being vaginally invaded makes me much more nervous. Ok, enough about my virginal angst  ------------------
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PixieJane
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posted September 23, 2014 06:11 PM
I'm not sure what to think on the cyber sex, but I have noticed that a lot of people have chemistry online but nothing face to face...this is even when they know what each other looks like. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 9778
From: Death Star
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posted September 23, 2014 06:15 PM
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What is a "love chart"?
aka first sex chart quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, that's different ...in this case, it makes much more sense, it's like a ..."preparation of the virgin".
But since we're talking virgins, in this case, I think the actual "love chart" is going to be the final act rather than the preparation.
I would check:
First Kiss Chart
Love Chart (I think it's funny they call it that haha it's a Magi thing, but it's quite romantic)
No, we're not talking about virgins  ------------------
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Vajra
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posted September 23, 2014 06:17 PM
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I'm so cappy
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From: Death Star
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posted September 23, 2014 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I'm not sure what to think on the cyber sex, but I have noticed that a lot of people have chemistry online but nothing face to face...this is even when they know what each other looks like.
Yes, this type of interaction can distort things... Btw
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Love Chart (I think it's funny they call it that haha it's a Magi thing, but it's quite romantic)
I suppose they had so called romantic relationships in mind but most of these "loves" occur when deep feelings or even any kind of commitment aren't present yet and some paired up people never get there and some of them never even cared to so yeah, it's a silly name
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Aubyanne
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From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
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posted September 23, 2014 07:57 PM
I've gotta say, my personal opinion, the first intercourse with a partner is not even in the same category as oral sex. While it's undoubtedly a very intimate experience, there's a primal element that isn't present. That's why I think the two charts are different in nature, and shouldn't be taken as one. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 24, 2014 12:10 AM
I remember making out with my ex in the car and he knew that day I let go completely. I would say that day would be a good day for a love chart and at that point we had not had sex yet.IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 24, 2014 12:46 AM
That's why I think the comparisons of the two might be really, really useful.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted September 24, 2014 05:15 AM
I dunno, Cappy...just think about it...all these event charts, you frame them and you put them on the wall, in your crib....friends will come visit and you give them the tour...when you get before this one, you say "And this is our Love Chart, ladies and gentlemen!" The folks bend to read the label and they read: "Our very first 69!"
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