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ueharaa
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posted September 26, 2014 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 26, 2014 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a mess!!!

I can't read the chart lol. Can you give out the birth day/time/place.

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posted September 26, 2014 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's no way to see the aspects like this. You need to upload charts without aspect lines to all, and a bigger version. Upload on photobucket or tinyic and copy the "link for forums" here, to have the charts posted directly here.

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posted September 26, 2014 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay I am sorry, I forgot flickr made it really difficult to read charts and was in a hurry. I fixed the issue eventually. Thank you to both of you for letting me know

His tob is unknow though so I don't know how relevant it makes the whole synastry. Mine is right though.

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posted September 26, 2014 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Sag Venus, Sun in Leo, Aqua or Scorp is this guy's type. Moon in Libra perhaps the best option for him (or Leo and Cancer maybe). And his Mars is unaspected here.

Potential unrequited aspects: Venus/Saturn, Venus/Moon/Pluto. I don't want to seem judgmental here, but if he was initially involved with someone, yet accepted to speak to both of you, he's not a serious guy. Why bother?

I am sorry for your experience, ueharaa you'll meet someone better.

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posted September 26, 2014 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So that's it I'm just not his type astrologically ?
his last girlfriend was a sag sun and moon cap venus scorp mars. Actually his mars is aspected, it quindeciles my saturn and quincunx my moon and biquintile my venus.
I know he's not worth my time but I really couldn't help my own attraction to him. There was nothing rational about this.
Maybe this is all in my head but I could really relate to the node aspects here.

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posted September 26, 2014 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the nodes aspects are important and there are many strong contacts in this synastry, but I focused on the aspects possibly explaining why things turned that way


Actually, the hot spots in his natal can be completed by other planets, such as Venus instead of the Sun, or ASC, Moon instead of Venus or Sun, Mars instead of Venus, Saturn instead of luminaries etc.
I'm afraid it's pretty difficult to replace the energy of at least one major aspect to a man's Mars with a quindecile, but I may be wrong.

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posted September 26, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean by hotspots? (sorry I don't know what they are)

So this is all because his mars is unaspected? It doesn't produce enough physical attraction? It's odd = because I never thought about this as being an issue, at least before we both moved away.

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posted September 26, 2014 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He had amuch hotter synastry with his last girlfriend. Her sag stellium opposed his mars. The had moon/mars DW, venus/pluto mars/pluto, venus/ mars, at rather wide orbs but I guess it was enough.

Anyway I am not trying to argue that there is or isn't somethign in this synastry. the thing is he is the reason I first got into astrology, the whole experience as so surreal and irrational to me that I had to find some explanation. I've looked a those charts many times before and searched all aspects, I am pretty sure there is a connection here but what I failed to see was the negativity and karma payback because in the end, i can not deny it affected me and has hurt me.
So what I am trying to get at is if there are any aspects that points to this. I would have been better believing he still was with his legitimate girlfriend whom he has a kid with! But no, it's like I'm being told "see even if he had the chance, he still wouldn't have chosen you" which in a way allows me to get the closure I needed.

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posted September 26, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you want mir for this one. Honestly, when you've got a good synastry, but things aren't working out, it tends to be a progressions issue.

But I wanted to also say, it was very wise (though sarcastic) of you to say 'do I just have some effed up love karma and I'm high on rejection?' because the astonishing answer could be, 'yes'.

Would you mind trying a little experiment with me and adding in 97 (KLOTHO)? I'm curious if there IS an active karma at work.

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posted September 26, 2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes sarcasm hides some truth but here I was being rather serious when I said that. I have venus retrograde natally and karma conjunct saturn opposed chiron (saturn is my dsc ruler) and well just from experience this is not the first time I deal with rejection so yeah..
I added klotho,
my chart: klotho 20° virgo
his chart: klotho 6° sag (conjunct my mars by 2°)
I don't know if it matters but my tropical klotho is opposed to my draco venus by a little over 1° orb

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posted September 26, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think you want mir for this one. Honestly, when you've got a good synastry, but things aren't working out, it tends to be a progressions issue.

Ok, I took a pretty deep dive in the progressed (future) synastry ... but I'll keep it short.. unless ueharaa, you have some more questions, ofcourse.

4 Years ago, you had an exact pSun/pVenus conjunction in late Cap. But.. without any significant connection to his' progressed or natal planets.
When someone is having a progressed Sun/Venus conjunction - THE big marker for a relationship start - you may bet this aspect is significantly connected to the one he or she's romantically dealing with for it to have any POTENTIAL.

At that moment, the only outstanding biggie was his pSun in an applying square to your nVenus by 5 degr. A separating aspect/influence, on whatever level, which is *NOW* at this right-now moment still applying by 1,25. So, an even more separating influence than it was back then. If this is the only progressed biggie in-between (which it *IS*) without any other progressed binding aspect to compensate, it's "doomed to die" (IF I had ever seen this working out great, I wouldn't be so convinced) at that specific moment in time.

Looking a bit further in the future.. we see some strong progressed beauties arise, but that's only in about a decade. Ofcourse, it's not worth waiting for something that MIGHT happen in about a decade.

Noteworthy also; there's currently an applying progressed COMPOSITE Venus/Mars opposition by 1,5 deg.
But until now, I've not seen this as the ONLY factor for bringing people together.

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posted September 26, 2014 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:

Ok, I took a pretty deep dive in the progressed (future) synastry ... but I'll keep it short.. unless ueharaa, you have some more questions, ofcourse.

4 Years ago, you had an exact pSun/pVenus conjunction in late Cap. But.. without any significant connection to his' progressed or natal planets.
When someone is having a progressed Sun/Venus conjunction - THE big marker for a relationship start - you may bet this aspect is significantly connected to the one he or she's romantically dealing with for it to have any POTENTIAL.

At that moment, the only oustanding biggie was his pSun in an applying square to your nVenus by 5 degr. A separating aspect/influence, on whatever level, which is *NOW* at this right-now moment still applying by 1,25. So, an even more separating influence than it was back then. If this is the only progressed biggie in-between (which it *IS*) without any other progressed binding aspect to compensate, it's "doomed to die" (IF I had ever seen this working out great, I wouldn't be so convinced) at that specific moment in time.

Looking a bit further in the future.. we see some strong progressed beauties arise, but that's only in about a decade. Ofcourse, it's not worth waiting for something that MIGHT happen in about a decade.

Noteworthy also; there's currently an applying progressed COMPOSITE Venus/Mars opposition by 1,5 deg.
But until now, I've not seen this as the ONLY factor for bringing people together.


are you some magician ? How come it all fits now? It' s interesting to know I ad the one marker for a big relationship start and yet nothing came out of it .. But most importantly how could you guess this without any birth data?? I am seriously impressed by the analysis you made, I have never ever worked with progressed synastry.

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posted September 26, 2014 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So progressed synastry is the KEY when it comes to predicting whether things ever come off the ground or not !!!
Can you predict one's relationship future (sort of) with it? Like if there's a potential for a relationship or not (aside from the sun/venus marker)

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posted September 26, 2014 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
So progressed synastry is the KEY when it comes to predicting whether things ever come off the ground or not !!!
Can you predict one's relationship future (sort of) with it? Like if there's a potential for a relationship or not (aside from the sun/venus marker)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

Hehe finally someone who gets it! What a surprise~! LOVE IT.. I knew my work would be seen once haha.


Well, I'm currently pretty skilled in finding data from a visual wheel


A lot to find about 'progressed synastry' on board here also

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posted September 26, 2014 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

Hehe finally someone who gets it! What a surprise~! LOVE IT.. I knew my work would be seen once haha.


Well, I'm currently pretty skilled in finding data from a visual wheel


A lot to find about 'progressed synastry' on board here also


wow you have no idea how impressed and excited I am by your work!! You see I put so much emphasis on the natal chart and the synastry that I had completely forgotten about the progressed.
See when I posted teh thread, I thought "either synastry is a deceiving tool OR I am missing something" and I guess this is the missing piece to the huge puzzle that relationship analysis is.

This part got me wondering though "4 Years ago, you had an exact pSun/pVenus conjunction in late Cap. But.. without any significant connection to his' progressed or natal planets.
When someone is having a progressed Sun/Venus conjunction - THE big marker for a relationship start - you may bet this aspect is significantly connected to the one he or she's romantically dealing with for it to have any POTENTIAL." it got me wondering why then I seem to have labeled him as important somewhere in my subconscious mind and I checked our progressed and actually his psun was in a separating square (2°) to my sun/venus conjunction at the moment I met him which was 5 years ago. So maybe this is why I got enamored with him and he didn't. Or am I using progressed chart the right way here?

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posted September 26, 2014 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to go now.. but I come back later!

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posted September 26, 2014 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
are you some magician ? How come it all fits now? It' s interesting to know I ad the one marker for a big relationship start and yet nothing came out of it .. But most importantly how could you guess this without any birth data?? I am seriously impressed by the analysis you made, I have never ever worked with progressed synastry.

We can glean pretty easily what the dates are by the posted synastry. It's just deduction. Elementary.

But progressed synastry is the REAL crux as to why a good synastry takes off -- and when. A great synastry that's 'just not happening' typically indicates it's under duress from some pretty rough progressions. And, if you want to go with the Great Cosmic Timer approach -- there's probably a reason for that. Levels that must be cleared, if you will, beforehand. And so, we end up with these complicated scenarios.

And mir can totally shed light in that area.

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posted September 27, 2014 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not that much of a great synastry. Actually most of the strong contacts are karmic in nature.
My ASC/DSC on his nodes near exact, which by the same way conjuncts My DR Vertex, Dr mars, and his Dr Pluto/Venus and possibly moon.
His venus/pluto/moon square my own nodal axis
saturn conjunct venus, saturn trine venus,
saturn square sun
karma trine venus, karma square venus
karma square sun
karma opposite valentine
and a nessus/ dejanira opposition where I am supposed to be the nessus. So well I am goign to stop here but there aren't really loving aspects, more like learn your lesson.
I guess the reason I was so smitten was that he does fit my own attraction type he's an aries sun, scorp moon and mars/pluto are in my 5th house, Saturn is my dsc ruler and there are many aspects involving it in synastry along with his own saturn in my 7th
And his mars opposes his venus/pluto midpoint.
I certainly do not fit his at all.
The advantage now is that I can finally find the drive to move on with no more doubts.

And yeah I am more than impressed by the actual importance of progressed synastry. I am going to be looking into the threads that deals with it on the forum.

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posted September 27, 2014 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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wow you have no idea how impressed and excited I am by your work!! You see I put so much emphasis on the natal chart and the synastry that I had completely forgotten about the progressed.
See when I posted teh thread, I thought "either synastry is a deceiving tool OR I am missing something" and I guess this is the missing piece to the huge puzzle that relationship analysis is.

Lol yea I totally get it. It brings so much more than just ‘knowlegde’. Less frustration, more acceptation.. less (or more likely; completely NOT) inclined to get a crush on something which isn’t worth a peanut of our time etc. Can’t remember ever having that with other astro forms. I even don’t get why it hasn’t yet become a HUGE part of our entire relational society.. !!

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This part got me wondering though "4 Years ago, you had an exact pSun/pVenus conjunction in late Cap. But.. without any significant connection to his' progressed or natal planets.
When someone is having a progressed Sun/Venus conjunction - THE big marker for a relationship start - you may bet this aspect is significantly connected to the one he or she's romantically dealing with for it to have any POTENTIAL." it got me wondering why then I seem to have labeled him as important somewhere in my subconscious mind and I checked our progressed and actually his psun was in a separating square (2°) to my sun/venus conjunction at the moment I met him which was 5 years ago. So maybe this is why I got enamored with him and he didn't. Or am I using progressed chart the right way here?

Well… I suspect… I had a check again – 5 years ago from this moment – he must have had his pMoon somewhere in late Cancer, ofcourse we don’t know his TOB so it’s a bit guessing but it wouldn’t surprise me (pMoon moves approx 13 deg a year - so a fast one) that it was close to your pSun/pVenus (and even to your nMoon).. so more of a strong temporary thing. So, it MIGHT be..

Another option; his pVenus in an already separating opposition from your nMars by 1’20. Which also in a separating contra-parallel in the declinations by 0’10. I know, some don’t like to focus on tight separating aspects but there’s no way to exclude it from still having its influence. I’ve seen it several times now.. coming together during a tight separating aspect but if there’s wasn’t anything left afterwards… well, long live the short-lived outcome! ;D

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posted September 28, 2014 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see, I have sort of tried to document myself on progression and it seems like pmoon to natal sun can be an indication of a meeting.I can't find the site that was mentioning it over again it but it explained that it was indicative of when two people met.

I took another look at the charts and yes you're right, his pvenus was alrady in a separating opposition from my mars! And because I love dracos and basically just draw dracos whenever I can, I drew the draco progressed and and and at that time, his psun was exact opposite my natal sun and his draco pr venus was exact on my south node, which by the same way, conjucnted my dr jupiter and opposed my dr sun.
I don't know what to make of draconic progression or how significant there are but I found those odd.
While looking at progressions for now though (not the draconic but the tropical one) his pmoon must have been somewhere in late virgo at the time he contacted me over again, in a trine to my own moon and my own pmoon was in a widely separating opposition to his pvenus. maybe this is why my feelings got triggered back. I mean aside from his psun square my nvenus.

There definitely should be some tutorial on progression on the forum!! I can't believe how important they are and how we're (at least I know I am) wasting time weighing the pros and cons of the synastry which is just the potential when the progression are literally how the two people affect each other right now.

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posted September 29, 2014 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can't believe how important they are and how we're (at least I know I am) wasting time weighing the pros and cons of the synastry which is just the potential when the progression are literally how the two people affect each other right now.

I agree we have to always pay attention to progressions to understand the dynamics in time, but I have to disagree with your above post: the interaction between two people does not go beyond the synastry. In other words, everything that is potential between them is written in the synastry.
Progressions do not show the depth or shallowness of synastric interaction, they will always highlight what is there: for example, if you have the synastry of a one-night stand, progressions won't turn a one-night stand into a love relationship; if you have an unrequited synastry, they won't turn unrequited into true love. Whatever they trigger, it's related to natal aspects and the dynamics already there in the natal synastry.

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posted September 29, 2014 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. After all the progressed chart are derived from the natals and - think mir has stated that significant beginings, endings can be found when they are significant aspects between the progressed and the natal.
However, I do not understand how it is 100% possible to determine the nature of an interaction and especially to determine in what it will result (and not can) ie true love relationship, one night stand, or unrequited love, business pertnership etc..from the synastry alone. Timing does play a part too.
I mean, if you didn't know the story, what would you say is the potential of this synastry?

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posted September 29, 2014 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. After all the progressed chart are derived from the natals and - think mir has stated that significant beginings, endings can be found when they are significant aspects between the progressed and the natal.
However, I do not understand how it is 100% possible to determine the nature of an interaction and especially to determine in what it will result (and not can) ie true love relationship, one night stand, or unrequited love, business pertnership etc..from the synastry alone. Timing does play a part too.
I mean, if you didn't know the story, what would you say is the potential of this synastry?

You can see all these in a synastry, that's why we're wasting our time with them For example, you can tell a relationship (either friendship or love) has a long-term potential.

In your synastry there are some strong contacts, but some of them are potential markers for unrequited love and the blue planets are the personal ones in most of the conjunctions (that is another sign for possibly unrequited for the blue), apart from his Venus/Moon/Pluto in need of a different aspect (plus Pluto is generational for him there, the entire generation has their Pluto there for him, so something else gives his choice of partner), in need of a Mars from the other side and planets in Aqua/Leo, but later than yours. And his unaspected Mars in your 12th shows the man is probably not physically attracted, not enough. To me, this is cohesive with your story.

I agree that synastric aspects can play 2 ways and that's why it's important to know a bit of the story too.


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posted September 29, 2014 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry but I am still less convinved by this than by the progressed synastry. I mean, what makes me attracted to him then? My pluto?
Either way, i think a lot can be told through the synastry especially when we have both birth times and using house ruler. However at this point i am quite convinced that progrssed is the key as to why this synastry will turn into something more and this other won't, why things end, and i'm pretty having one's planets activated could trigger a one way attraction. But well see this is really personal, it's just a matter of opinions what we believe can or can't be done with charts.

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