posted September 28, 2014 08:35 AM            

The idea is very simple - take two charts, rotate one until the male's Mars is on the female's Venus. Then note the aspects.

In my case, the most interesting things I noted right off is that his Moon is on my IC, my Moon on his IC, his Sun is on my South Node, my AC-DC Axis on his Nodal Axis. All those really resonate with me, and explain things about the attraction.

The easiest method I've found for this is to just take both natals as images, put them in image processing software as layers, then rotate the upper layer and reduce its opacity. It's not very neat, but it'll do.

posted September 28, 2014 09:09 AM            

my planets:
Sun: 1 Virgo
Moon: 22 Libra
Mercury: 00 Virgo
ASC: 12 Leo
MC: 10 Gemini
Venus: 11 Virgo
Mars: 10 Leo
Jupiter: 16 Scorpio
Saturn: 22 Pisces
Uranus: 6 Cancer
Neptune: 29 Gemini
Pluto: 14 Gemini
NN: 29 Gemini
Juno: 22 Scorpio
Eros: 26 Pisces
Psyche 29 Libra
Cupido 24 Aries
Valentine 2 Leo
Lust 12 Leo
Nymphe 7 Virgo
Vesta 6 Virgo
Aphrodite 18 Gemini
Amor 7 Leo
Lilith 3 Scorpio
Priapus 5 Aries
Union 4 Cancer

Naturally doing a synastry, it suffices to do that only one way, as the other way will bring the same aspects. Or do we look up our natals, as well?

Anyway synastrically

my Sun conjuncts his NN exact
my Moon conjuncts his Pluto (1)
my Mercury conjuncts his NN (1)
oh my Sun conjuncts his BML (2)
my Sun opposite his Priapus (1)
my Mercury opposite his Priapus (0
my IC conjunct his Mercury (1)
my Venus conjunct his Mars obviously
my Venus conjunct his Jupiter (1)
my Venus conj. his Amor (2)
my Venus opposite his Eros (3)
my Jupiter conj. his Valentine (3)
my Saturn conj. his ASC (3)
my Neptune conju. his IC (1)
my Neptune opposite his Moon (1)
my Neptune opposite his Sun (2)
my NN conj. his IC (1)
my SN conj. his Moon (1)
my SN conj. his Sun (2)
my Juno conj. his Uranus (1)
my Juno conj. his Valentine (3)
my Eros -Vx conj. his ASC exact
my Eros -Vxconj. his Avx (2)
my Eros -vx opp. his Saturn exact
my Eros -vxopp his Aphrodite (2)
my Psyche conj. his Union exact
my Cupido opp. his Pluto (3)
my Nymphe conj. his Amor (2)
my Nymphe opp. his Eros (1)
(btw my Eros also conjuncts his Nymphe exact)

posted September 28, 2014 09:26 AM            

The aspects you listed are definitely interesting, the Sun-NN link in a Venus-Mars chart is major. Also Moon-Pluto, NN-IC, SN-Sun/Moon, Eros-AC... It's almost too good!

Saturn-AC in a Venus-Mars chart is something pretty, pretty karmic. A big lesson for you there.

posted September 28, 2014 09:43 AM            

my Venus opp his Neptune (DSC ruler) - we already have Venus/Neptune DW in synastry

his Neptune conj my Juno/Jupiter

my Sun on his SN, his Sun on my SN, but wide orbs - still, pretty interesting (4 and 7) - we we already have Sun opp Sun crossing nodal axis in synastry

his Saturn/MC conjunct my Mars/Union (2) and Sun wide (7) - we already have Mars/Saturn DW in synastry and Sun/Saturn DW

his Vesta on my ASC (3) opp DSC/Saturn (1) - we already have Saturn/Vesta DW

his Moon conj my Lilith (2)- we have his Moon sq my lilith in synastry

his Juno/Ceres/Eros on my IC (midpoint stellium, with mdp exact) - JunoCeres exact in comp

and
the other pair is in BQ - my Mars his Venus

(Venus/Mars DW in synastry)

and

Moon opp Moon (2) Sun square Sun (1), the same theme from synastry where we have Moon square Moon sun opp Sun

I guess that's pretty interesting, because of the repetitive themes.

Because we have Venus sq Mars (1) in synastry, the alignment is practically a square alignment, hence the kept aspects.

posted September 28, 2014 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Conjoining his Mars with my Venus I get:

my Venus opp his Neptune (DSC ruler) - we already have Venus/Neptune DW in synastry

his Neptune conj my Juno/Jupiter

my Sun on his SN, his Sun on my SN, but wide orbs - still, pretty interesting (4 and 7) - we we already have Sun opp Sun crossing nodal axis in synastry

his Saturn/MC conjunct my Mars/Union (2) and Sun wide (7) - we already have Mars/Saturn DW in synastry and Sun/Saturn DW

his Vesta on my ASC (3) opp DSC/Saturn (1) - we already have Saturn/Vesta DW

his Moon conj my Lilith (2)- we have his Moon sq my lilith in synastry

his Juno/Ceres/Eros on my IC (midpoint stellium, with mdp exact) - JunoCeres exact in comp

and
the other pair is in BQ - my Mars his Venus

(Venus/Mars DW in synastry)

and

Moon opp Moon (2) Sun square Sun (1), the same theme from synastry where we have Moon square Moon sun opp Sun

I guess that's pretty interesting, because of the repetitive themes.

Because we have Venus sq Mars (1) in synastry, the alignment is practically a square alignment, hence the kept aspects.

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It's interesting how the natal squares become conjunctions in your Venus-Mars chart. My take on that is that when the tension between those two is resolved through merging - all the other squares in the synastry are also "calmed" and merged.

posted September 28, 2014 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

The Sun-SN DWs are amazing. Do you think you were lovers in past lives? How do you see this manifesting?

It's interesting how the natal squares become conjunctions in your Venus-Mars chart. My take on that is that when the tension between those two is resolved through merging - all the other squares in the synastry are also "calmed" and merged.

What's your opinion on this chart alignment now? Could we call it the attraction chart?

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Perfectly possible, at least it has that feeling and I found an interesting synastry ( a tragic one, of course hahaha) with the Pluto past life technique.

My take on that is that when the tension between those two is resolved through merging - all the other squares in the synastry are also "calmed" and merged.

Great idea!
However, we do have a Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Neptune cross coupled with a Venus/Mars/Pluto/Neptune Kite, so in a way, it is already a conjunction, because it's a reciprocal geometrical completion

Honestly, I see the square between Mars and Venus in synastry as pure and intense very physical attraction, turning into conflict if there isn't enough physical activity (not just erotically) between the two. It's an energetic combo. suitable for an active pair.

I suppose this symbolic alignment of Venus and Mars gives clues to how the union between Venus and Mars manifests for that particular couple
In our case, it's not just a physical/romantic connection Venus/Mars, maybe it's deeper than that because it associates with:

Sun/Moon merging
it has a romantic/soulmate implication with Sun/SN, Venus/Neptune, Juno/Neptune, a plutonian side (Moon/Lilith) and a devoted, marital, hard-work lol side with:

Mars/Saturn/MC/Sun
Juno/Ceres/IC
DSC ruler with Venus and NN

and especially Vesta/Saturn on my angles, which I found in the other superposition too:

I conjoined my Mars with his Venus and I found the conjunctions:

his Sun/My Vesta (0)
his Juno/my Pluto (0)
his Vertex/my MC (0)
his DSC/my MC (2)
his IC/my Vertex (1)
his SN/my Moon (3-4) - so there's a Moon/SN connection also

and....Venus and Mars are still in DW: Venus conj Mars, Venus sesuis Mars

It looks pretty strong, don't you think?

Symbolically, it can be a very interesting superposition, your idea

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posted September 29, 2014 02:29 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Wow, Ceri, you are the human calculator, how are you that fast?? What is your Mercury doing natally?

The aspects you listed are definitely interesting, the Sun-NN link in a Venus-Mars chart is major. Also Moon-Pluto, NN-IC, SN-Sun/Moon, Eros-AC... It's almost too good!

Saturn-AC in a Venus-Mars chart is something pretty, pretty karmic. A big lesson for you there.

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my Mercury is out of bounds, also planet with the highest declination in my chart (followed by Venus), and it is conjunct Sun on the GC. No other aspects though. He tends to run away with me sometimes.

posted September 29, 2014 04:03 AM            

MY GOD WHO IS THIS MAN?

You done good, body-snatchers. Keep up the fine work.

posted September 29, 2014 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Perfectly possible, at least it has that feeling and I found an interesting synastry ( a tragic one, of course hahaha) with the Pluto past life technique.

My take on that is that when the tension between those two is resolved through merging - all the other squares in the synastry are also "calmed" and merged.

Great idea!
However, we do have a Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Neptune cross coupled with a Venus/Mars/Pluto/Neptune Kite, so in a way, it is already a conjunction, because it's a reciprocal geometrical completion

Honestly, I see the square between Mars and Venus in synastry as pure and intense very physical attraction, turning into conflict if there isn't enough physical activity (not just erotically) between the two. It's an energetic combo. suitable for an active pair.

I suppose this symbolic alignment of Venus and Mars gives clues to how the union between Venus and Mars manifests for that particular couple
In our case, it's not just a physical/romantic connection Venus/Mars, maybe it's deeper than that because it associates with:

Sun/Moon merging
it has a romantic/soulmate implication with Sun/SN, Venus/Neptune, Juno/Neptune, a plutonian side (Moon/Lilith) and a devoted, marital, hard-work lol side with:

Mars/Saturn/MC/Sun
Juno/Ceres/IC
DSC ruler with Venus and NN

and especially Vesta/Saturn on my angles, which I found in the other superposition too:

I conjoined my Mars with his Venus and I found the conjunctions:

his Sun/My Vesta (0)
his Juno/my Pluto (0)
his Vertex/my MC (0)
his DSC/my MC (2)
his IC/my Vertex (1)
his SN/my Moon (3-4) - so there's a Moon/SN connection also

and....Venus and Mars are still in DW: Venus conj Mars, Venus sesuis Mars

It looks pretty strong, don't you think?

Symbolically, it can be a very interesting superposition, your idea

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I like this idea of aligning celestial bodies in general. Maybe it could show us the interaction between individuals on any level we choose for it - ie. between a teacher and student - choose Saturn and Mercury, between a parent and child - choose Saturn and Moon, to see how two individuals work on an intimate level - choose Moon and Venus etc. The applications are practically infinite. The question is - what does it really show us? Since it basically only takes the geometry of a chart but not the placements.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my Mercury is out of bounds, also planet with the highest declination in my chart (followed by Venus), and it is conjunct Sun on the GC. No other aspects though. He tends to run away with me sometimes.

I was surprised to find so many of these aspects though, and thought there were some pretty significant ones there.

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I JUST realized my best friend has an OOB Mercury. That makes so much sense, he just does not shut up, EVER , despite his Mercury being at 0 Capricorn and conjunct Neptune. So that's why!

I have an OOB Moon myself.

posted September 29, 2014 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm sorry, I'm still kind of dumbfounded that he told me he loved me as we were doing the good-bye thing tonight. (And since it's my oh-so-lovely mois du temps, nothing of that particular nature transpired tonight.) This was hours after he DID however drop innuendo. Yes. Innuendo. A few times, actually. And, in general, we just had a completely lovely evening. He even kissed me of his own accord, just for the hell of it. AND, after he'd hugged me once good-bye, then hugged me again -- AND told me he loved me.

MY GOD WHO IS THIS MAN?

You done good, body-snatchers. Keep up the fine work.

... What were we talking about in this thread?

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posted September 29, 2014 05:03 PM            

I love this idea because it's precisely archetypes that led me to astrology Yes, we have a square and a trine.

posted September 29, 2014 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
WTF
I was calculating his positions and I realised I was basically getting his draco chart. I looked it up. His dMars conjunct my nVenus under 1. I won this thread

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posted September 29, 2014 05:44 PM            

Anyway, his Mars to my Venus aka his draco & my natal:

his ASC conjunct my Chiron 2
his DSC conjunct my Saturn 0, NN 2
his Sun conjunct my Vertex 1
his Moon opposite my Uranus 0
his Venus conjunct my DSC 3
his Jupiter conjunct my Mars 1
his Saturn conjunct my Mars 3
his Uranus conjunct my Chiron 1, SN 3
his Neptune conjunct my Antivertex 2
his Vertex conjunct my DSC 2
his Chiron conjunct my Sun 1
his Amor conjunct my Mercury 1, Amor 1, Juno 2
his Psyche conjunct my DSC 3
his Pholus-Eros conjunct my IC 0
his Priapus conjunct my Venus 2, Alma 1
his Union conjunct my Antivertex 0
his Alma opposite my Neptune 0

posted September 29, 2014 07:31 PM            

Whereas Sun/Moon might be more about deep psychological bonding on the basis of traditional gender roles. When a women tries to align her Moon with a guys Sun she is letting him be the leader/dominator while she becomes the supporter/nurturer on a very intimate day to day level. The re-alignment might show how she feels about him the leading and guiding, how she respects him as for his ‘vision’, and for the unique person he is. The re-alignment for him might show how he feels about her supportive, caring response to him, how he feels protective and responsible towards her, and how he takes her personal needs into consideration when he’s in ’leader’ mode.

posted September 29, 2014 09:28 PM            

When, say, a guy attempts to align his Mars with a girl's Venus he might modify his behavior to fit what she appears to need from his point of view... Rotating his chart so his Mars conjuncts her Venus. He may act toward her in the manner of this new rotated chart.

The response he gets back from her will vary.

If she is interested she may also attempt to align her Venus with his Mars, and so she may act toward him in response with her rotated chart (the chart she has when her Venus is conjunct his Mars).

If she's not that interested she's unlikely to put the same sort of effort back into relating to him. She will not rotate her chart to align her Venus with his Mars. So, instead, we'd have his rotated chart (he is putting out the effort here) relating to her natal chart (non-rotated chart).

I guess my point is that we are likely to rotate our charts like this if we are putting effort into connecting with someone on a certain level. It could be as simple as what mood we are in. The same principle might apply if one partner is in a 'romantic mood', while the other is preoccupied with other things (cleaning the house, bills and whatnot). If this is the case the person making the effort is likely to approach the situation with a rotated chart while the partner will respond with their natal chart.

This is where the topic of persuasion comes in. If the natal chart harmonizes well with the rotated chart then the rotated person might be good at getting their partner in a certain kind of mood, when they are also in that same mood. If the natal chart does not harmonize well with the rotated chart, then it might be more of a challenge to persuade the natal chart person to change their mood.

That also means that when two people are actively cooperating on a certain level they might both try to relate to the other partner with their rotated charts. That is, synastry between the rotated charts may show how people interact when the both are working together for the same thing. Synastry between rotated charts show how they are able to work things out together when both are on the same page, so to speak.

I'll use a 'date night' scenario to explain what I mean about the Venus and Mars alignment. Okay, so if a couple are on a date and both are interested then both would theoretically be using their rotated charts to relate to each other.

If the guy is interested during the date but the girl is either not interested, or preoccupied with other matters, then he will rotate his Mars to her Venus while she is expressing her natal chart. So his rotated chart would relate to her natal chart.

If during the date she's in the right mood but he is either not interested, or preoccupied, then she will rotate her Venus to his Mars while he relates with his natal chart. So her rotated chart would relate to his natal chart.

It's possible that in a new relationship we may actually loose interest on a date. In this case we might un-rotate our charts from the partner and just start relating with our natal. We'd be stepping back a notch.

In the case of an unrequited love, or a crush where the object of affections is oblivious. The lover/crusher may try to relate with a rotated chart, while the subject of the love/crush may relate back simply with their natal.

With this theory, natal chart to natal chart syastry just happens without our conscious effort at all. This is the connection that is just naturally 'there' between two people.

When people make a conscious effort to relate in a certain way though, then they would rotate their charts to match their partner. If both partners are cooperating the same level they can operate on rotated chart to rotated chart synastry. If one is putting out effort and the other is not, we get rotated chart to natal chart synastry. The rotated chart to natal chart synastry may show a lot about persuasion and how that works in the relationship. The rotated person would be attempting to persuade natal person to their line of thinking.

As I said before, rotated chart to rotated chart synastry might show how two willing participants interact, and the issues they face together.

posted September 30, 2014 06:24 AM            

Sun-Moon-alignment (his planets first)
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I. Major players
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Sun opposite Pluto
Sun conjunct IC
Moon opposite Pluto
Moon conjunct IC
(Mars conjunct Sun wide, 5 degrees)
NN conjunct Neptune
NN conjunct NN
(NN conjunct ASC wide, 4 degrees)
DESC conjunct Venus exact
IC conjunct Pluto
IC conjunct MC
Vertex conjunct Venus
Venus opposite Uranus
Saturn conjunct Venus

Does anyone know why this checkup looks EXACTLY like our Draco-Draco-synastry?
Same major factors coming up.

also the alignmens with our composite is flabbergasting.

his Saturn/DESC/Vertex-Aphrodite on my Venus on our c-MC EXACT, opposing Priapus-ERos, and widely conj. uranus

his NN/BML -my NN/Neptune exactly on c-NN-Amor-Cupido and also conj. Mars

his Eros on c-Chiron/Atropos

there is more but these I found quite interesting

II. Chiron, Juno, Priapus, BML
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Chiron opposite Moon

BML conjunct Mars-ASC-Neptune-NN
Priapus opposite Neptune
Priapus conjunct DESC-SN
Pluto opposite Priapus

III. Eros-Psyche-Cupido-Amor
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Psyche opposite Mars-Amor
Psyche conjunct DESC
Cupido opposite Uranus
Chiron conjunct Cupido (same as in Draco!)

Mars-Venus-alignment
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I. major players
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Sun opposite Moon exact
Moon opposite Moon
IC conjunct Moon
Venus opposite Jupiter with 4 degrees
Mars opposite Uranus
Pluto conjunct SN
Pluto conjunct DESC

II. Chiron, Juno, BML, Priapus
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Chiron conjunct Sun
SN conjunct Chiron (repeating the theme of composite SN on my Chiron!)
BML conjunct Chiron
Pripaus opposite Chiron

Venus opposite Juno
Juno conjunct Juno exact

posted September 30, 2014 06:32 AM            

On the Sun/Moon-level his Sun-Moon conjuncts my IC; on the Venus/Mars-level my Moon conjuncts his IC.

on the Sun/Moon-level my Venus conjuncts his DESC; on the Venus/Mars-level his Pluto conjuncts my DESC (also a reminder of the fact that Pluto is in his 7th house natally and configured with Venus in both natal charts - here that Venus/Pluto-theme becomes angular on the DESC`s)

I seem to "play" a lot of Uranus for him:
Sun/Moon-level: my Uranus opposes his Venus
(funnily enough his rotated mars-Jupiter-Amor falls onto my natal Uranus as well, and conjunct Union)

Venus/mars-level: my uranus opposes his Mars

Sun/Moon-level: my uranus opposes his Cupido
venus/Mars-level: my Uranus conjuncts his Eros and opposes his Amor

naturally we have to talk about Chiron as well, as it is such a major player in our synastry

Sun/Moon-level: his Chiron opposes my Moon
Venus/Mars-level: his Chiron conjuncts my Sun

posted September 30, 2014 06:44 AM            

Interestingly his Sun/my Moon and my Mars/his Venus are both about 51° apart. lol
but it does`nt give the same results because of the reverse direction.

As for his Moon/my Sun, we have a 2-3 degree conjunction natally, which means that the natal synastry would also be the rotated one, just some orbs might be tighter or more loose.

posted September 30, 2014 08:21 AM            

Do you think it's a good idea for someone who needs a Neptune shot in romantic synastry to align Venus to Neptune, Venus to Pluto for an individual who needs Pluto etc.?