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12th_House_Gal
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posted October 08, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 08, 2014 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is probably best to post the charts so we can see it all in action. synastry is done through charts not a listing of aspects.

we will always encounter people along the way with whom we have amazing/intense synastry, and some of those people will not be our wife/husband/partner. it doesn't mean because there is an exact venus/pluto or exact moon/mars or whatever in synastry that it must lead to an attraction we must act upon. amazing friendships can stem from intense synastry and something within your own natal could be causing the obsession/fascination with your FIL, so you have to first identify that before assuming he feels the same :-) it would also be something in your natal that is prompting you to further it knowing you're hurting another person (the MIL), so perhaps a closer look at your own chart would provide answers first. imo.

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posted October 08, 2014 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 08, 2014 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got ASC&Sun/Moon.... That will make him dependent on you!

How do you feel his Saturn conjunct your ascendant?
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posted October 08, 2014 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sag moon and I attract Geminis like crazy. So this should work great in your case... LOL

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posted October 08, 2014 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the same aspects.

Moon,Mars,Saturn conj Asc.

Mine is in libra and I'm also Asc.

I'll pay close attention to your thread.

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posted October 08, 2014 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got pluto square saturn. If something happen it will be very destructive for your life.

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posted October 08, 2014 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto square Venus - At least you got the upper hand... Beat that horse to death... Lol

I have it natally and I can't do relationships without some level of danger.

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posted October 08, 2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it'll help you resolve the 'Daddy issues'? (MOON quincunx SATURN). Alas, he's got a tight SATURN-MOON conjunction. MARS there won't help the situation.

At any rate, his SATURN is close enough to your SUN to help you work on this particular area. Could you plug in KARMA (3811) as I'd like to see what's going on there?

EDIT: Oh, forgive me. I read the charts before I read the background. Well, being your FIL, there's no question he's to help you in this area. So, again, I'd check KARMA.

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posted October 08, 2014 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 08, 2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 08, 2014 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted October 08, 2014 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12HG,

Wilde properly said that everything is about sex, except sex, which is about power. However, I'd like to amend that -- go a bit more Jungian with it -- and say that everything is about attempting to balance shadow and light, yin and yang, male and female. Naturally, sex is the go-to method for most folks; some individuals interpret a stimulus that goes straight to the libido. I've not done much work regarding NESSUS overlays, but it's placement in the 8H is complicated. It's my opinion that a point directs its energy through the lens of the house in which its placed -- towards its matters, and influences it thus. So, you've got Aries BML (oh, I do feel your pain) in your 8H, too. That could be dicey, as BML has been seen as a 'mistress' complex; she likes to be 'the other woman'.

KARMA-CHIRON, on the other hand, is very telling. Not a skipped step, but cusping the 12H from the 11H, and near to your IC, it seems there's some definite resolution going on here, as your CHIRON is close to your SUN, even if not conjunct within orb.

It sounds as if he's suffered some great tragedies in his life; watching your father die ... that happened to my Guardian. It changes a person. Deeply. Your FIL's SATURN-MOON is no surprise; he clearly had to 'pick himself up by his bootstraps', and 'walk it off'.

What sort of abuse did your husband suffer, by the way? I'm so sorry to hear this. Have they since resolved their issues? Has he forgiven him?

You also have a close VENUS-CERES conjunction. That's deeply appealing to a MOON-SATURN, which lacked nurturing and support. His PLUTO (given the generation gap, it becomes significant) on the MP of your NESSUS/VENUS-CERES shows how that drive is obsessive in nature. (His PLUTO is natal 8H, too.)

The 'attraction' here is complex, from where I'm standing.

Your PALLAS-CHIRON-PSYCHE holds to deep wounding from your own father; you have a powerful vulnerability wrapped up in paternal (specifically) approval, and both mental and emotional scarring resulting from those wounds. They cut to the core -- square your SUN. So, it's no surprise his MOON (and SATURN) are right there.

Both of your wounds are in conjunction with each other -- your PALLAS-CHIRON-PSYCHE squared SUN, and his MOON-SATURN.

Now let's look at a source from which these points are drawing.

His NESSUS-KARMA shows that he had (as he's older now, we can presume he's been dealing with this all of his life) a karmic debt or soul-contract regarding issues surrounding abuse. NESSUS can also be prone to taboo attractions and situations, forbidden relationships -- all that. And, yes, with KARMA there, it's stemming from somewhere else.

See your NNODE? It's right on it.

Let's talk now about that.

He's got NESSUS-KARMA in the 5H. Ohhh, yes. Childhood abuse. Awfully so. Your NNODE and BML are, it would appear, exactly conjunct. When you said that you need to 'embrace your Lilith' -- you're absolutely right.

Here's where it gets dicey, though. How much so? In what way? Where, and with whom? Your NNODE-BML is 8H, so it's undoubtedly embroiled and entangled in sexual themes and power-dynamics. And, of course, there's his 5H NESSUS-KARMA.

Why are you feeling the intense attraction? This overlay. Right here. When an activated 5H and 8H are overlaying each other, there's a powerful sexual dynamic. Period.

So, why's it happening? Well, you ARE trying to resolve the pain stemming from your own paternal relationship. He's trying to handle his own issues regarding abuse, selfishness, 'taking what we want without concern for others' (NESSUS) and the consequences (KARMA) of those actions.

To better understand WHY this is happening, I'd look at the Draco synastry. (I'd also suggest adding in DEJANIRA, #157).

Regarding the sexual component of the attraction, I wish that I could help you. All of your darkest issues are coming to light (that's 12H for you, especially in composite) with your wounds coming into contact.

Here's a question. Have you fully embraced your sexuality? What, about your marriage, is unsatisfying in this area? And I don't mean technically or physically. What of the dynamic with your FIL is lacking in your marriage?

Sometimes, especially if we're new to the motherhood thing, there's the tendency for the husband to feel second-place to the new child, which causes the wife-and-mother to suddenly feel as if she's raising two kids. Not sexy. And, something Freud was right about.

Check to see if anything's up with your ELEKTRA (130), too. This can help unearth some hidden sexual themes that were never resolved during childhood. Not stuff we want to think about -- but the subconscious doesn't much care. When you're dealing with 8H / 12H themes -- expect it ALL to come tumbling out.

All in all, your NESSUS is on the far MP of his EROS/PSYCHE (meaning it's opposite the two, but conjunct the point opposite the MP).

Your own morality, willpower, and judgement is being tested here. EROS and PSYCHE is the union of sex and soul. It also helps us see where one is lacking, or taking precedence over the other. He's got a natal conjunction, so we can assume, if he's embraced these energies, there's a balance between the two. Interesting, given your MIL's jealousy -- but that's a WHOLE other can of worms, which SHOULD also be explored.

In these situations, especially regarding the taboo and 'road not travelled', of which society is disapproving -- think of everything, and everyone. NESSUS failed to use good judgement. Wherever he appears, we're asked to do so, else we ourselves fail to learn the lessons involved.

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posted October 08, 2014 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2014 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sagittarius - Virgo Male:

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He comes on strong and brainy. Perhaps you think he might even border on genius. Regardless of how he makes his approach, he will proposition you in one breath and smoothly cover it with a long spiel about the latest protein wafer he is working on. Make no mistake, he is after your body. He won't grab for it, or do anything so overt, but he'll keep working on you until you give in...

He has strong ethics, few morals. He goes after what he wants with a fierce intensity, whether a promotion or a fling.

...A Gemini would be a great match. A Virgo will at least understand him.


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posted October 08, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 09, 2014 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, 12HG, I kind of read the intro of what you had posted yesterday. I'm glad I did! I hate it when people write something and then delete it.

But if you'd like to talk about it privately, you can always email me at astrologer@aubianne.com.

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