posted October 15, 2014 07:34 PM            

Thank you!

posted October 16, 2014 04:59 AM            

I found this:

"I remember Arielle Guttman’s work on the Venus Star Point (VSP), her terminology for the degree of the conjunction of Venus with the Sun prior to an individual’s birth. The degree of the prenatal conjunction, in which Venus can be either in retrograde or direct motion, is predictable and easy to calculate. Guttman wrote about that point as symbolizing “the manner in which we reach inside of ourselves to reflect the love, beauty, and heart-felt self-expression we innately possess and share with others.” She also suggests that the Venus Star is reflecting the concept of Eros, “a deeply moving, creative life force.” (5) (It is clearly an evocative point; the conjunction occurs when we are in the womb.)

There is a five-pointed star pattern formed by Venus’s orbit in relationship to the Earth, and the Venus conjunctions occur in only one of five signs. We are all born as part of a particular star pattern, with all five points forming to create one full star. (6)

Whether we consider the inferior or superior conjunction of Venus with the Sun as the beginning of the cycle, Venus has a very regular eight-year cycle that creates a pentagram, or five-pointed star, in the sky.

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If you want to keep it simple, just take note of your pre-natal Sun-Venus conjunction and look for connections with people in your life. I had a lovely friend whose VSP (the degree of her prenatal Sun-Venus conjunction) is at 23° Scorpio, the degree of my Ascendant. She is someone I have greatly admired and loved. She passed away suddenly with Saturn stationing on and transiting that degree. I will never forget her.

On a happier note, my first husband’s VSP is within 2° of my natal Moon; my VSP is is within 2° of his Moon and is also on our son’s Ascendant and our granddaughter’s Mercury. Today is also his birthday – Happy Solar Return, Christopher.

Here’s to remembering all of Venus’s gifts as we learn to cherish our world and each other in all ways."

posted October 16, 2014 06:25 AM            

Twin Star (which is the same prenatal conjunction)

Karmic Star (possibly the most binding one in her description)

Helping Star, or supportive Star (I forgot the exact name - interestingly most of my most intense connections are neither found in the Twin nor Karmic star, but in this last category. It should be more easygoing there, more of a friendship category, just I experience it differently. lol)

The first time I read on this was in Blashkes book though.
He said that if you have the inferior (Venus retro) conjunction before your birth, it is likely you are finishing up a lot of karma, with the superior one, you are making new connections.
Curiously enough tomy surprise I have the superior conjunction before my birth. Nevertheless he also sais to look up the inferior one before the superior one directly before birth.

in my case the degrees are as follows:
superior: 13°45 Scorpio
inferior: 03°30 Aquarius

he also writes this:

"if the ransit Sun-Venus inferior conjunction degree is exactly conjunct ones natal luminary, planet, angle or nodal axis, the result is a key relationship entering the life"

"astrologers will also find instance where the superior conjunction of Venus and hte Sun forms an exact conjunction to ones chart. This can result in actions taken to break freem from a karmic relationship which does no longer is a vehicle for positive growth."

"If the birth takes place after the superior conjunction but before the inferior conjunction,t his lifetime is about establishing new relationships with souls to whom fresh attachment is forming. These relationships have qualities of innocence, lightness and discovery. A sense of foreboding with other souls is rare."

Well, that would be my Sun-Venus-cycle, however I do experience quite some feelings of "recognition" with other souls, so it does not ring totally true for me.
What rings true maybe is that, despite that, it feels like a new cycle beginning. Even if the recognition is there, the attachment in terms of debts or something like this seems to either fall away or changing.

I`d also look up the prenatal ecclipses though.

those deal with the individual karma especially. maybe that is what is more important in my life currently. The unraveling and detaching from individual karma, while I don´t quite feel as if there is relational karma to work on. Sure I may recognize some soul, but it is more a feeling of: Oh how great to see you again. Where have you been for so long?

But without that feeling of dread (except for Jude. he is the big exception in this instance).

my prenatal ecclipse in the order going back from my birth are:

solar partial: 21°16 Sagittarius (5 days before my birthday)
lunar total: 7°02 Gemini
solar total: 28°29 Gemini

The lunar one is especially interesting as she falls exactly onto my natal DESC on 7°03 Gemini and is also conjunct my Draco Moon on 6°56 Gemini.

So much for "no relationship karma" :sighs:
Wasn`t qujite likely anyway with SN on the DSC and Karma in 7th house as well.
In Gemini,possibly twin-karma. lol
Or sibling karma.

Anyway my prenatal Venus-point isn´t that exciting, no close conjunctions to major planets in my chart. Though the superior one in scorpio is on the antiscion of my Moon and conjunct my Siva-London-Moira-Lancelot

posted October 16, 2014 06:29 AM            

his annular prenatal solar ecclipse fell onto 29 Leo, so a lot of emphasis on this I suppose.
Funny enough we met thwn Tr Saturn was on on 1 Virgo.

posted October 16, 2014 06:46 AM            

Superior: 11 Scorpio
Inferior: 1 Aqua

So, are you my Twin Star? lol

Mr. Cap was born after the inferior one at 26 Gemini, the superior one is at 4 Virgo.

In my natal chart, the superior one doesn't do much except oppose my POF at 8 Taurus, but it does trine my Juno at 10 Pisces. The inferior one, however.. sits on my Liliths (Mean one is 1 Aqua, BML is at 4 Aqua) and Lucifer (ha.. Venus is called Lucifer too), opp my Nessus, square my Saturn, Pluto and Mars........ Quite a heavy one, there. My Grand Cross from Hell. But I do have abuse/survival karma and have dealt with these themes for most of my life, not a huge surprise I suppose.

In his chart, the inferior one is in his 10th and makes only a wide trine to Uranus (3 deg also), the superior one is in his 12th and trines his Venus, also squares his DC ruler Neptune and his Juno at 6 Sag.

We both seem to have relational karma. I think I am clearing mine for the most part though. Or.. I hope, at least.

posted October 16, 2014 06:49 AM            

inferior Sun-Venus: 16°21 Aries

solar annular: 28°16 Aries
lunar partial: 14°22 Libra

and in the transits:

24th october 2014: 1°49 Scorpio (superior Sun-Venus)

Did i mention I am going to see him on 25th october? LOL

Seriously though, the inferior Sun-Venus on 16 ARies? You GOT to be kidding me!
I mean you KNOW where the next lunar ecclipse is taking place right?
And well it is triggering our Davison and composite Pluto by opposition, as well as squaring composite Venus.

Our UNION in composite is on 29 Libra, because we have the exact conjunction in synastry, which is rather close to my natal Uranus on 1 scorpio.
Of course we also have Chiron on 29 ARies, conjunct Atropos on 00 Taurus.
I suppose a bit of pain is inevitable, if one wants to heal properly.

What we MUST heal seems to be communication (composite Chiron in 3rd house, along with sN in 3rd hous).

That inferior Sun-Venus is rather shocking, too, because my Draco Sun is at 16 ARies, and currently his progressed Moon is at 16 Aries. I mean I am talking about orbs under one degree!
Of course it also triggers the square to my Saturn - oh no, I am kicking and biting and fighting whatever it is I am really fighting. lol

However, whatever, after peeking at the time frame, starting this year, it really started THIS year - and how funny is it, the inferior Sun-Venus-conjunction in january this year was on 21°11 Capricorn, the very degree of my natal Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex, conjunct composite Moon by one degree, and a few weeks after it happened, it was opposite my pr Moon.

And I did accept defeat gracefully, didn`t I?
Sabian of my natal Sun/Moon-mp
"By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character!"

I did, and I was wading through that gloomy dark valley to reach acceptance and resigning myself to what is, even though it might not be what I had hoped for.
And the moment I did that, things changed, or I don`t know what really happened, why it did.
I honestly do not understand or have any clue what is going on there or what purpose it shall serve.

Well the next, the superior conjunction, taking place on the very degree of my natal Uranus and 11th house cusp has the sabiand:

"A BROKEN BOTTLE AND SPILLED PERFUME
You may feel that you've been building up or concentrating your emotions and they have now been suddenly let out. There may be little that you can do about the initial outburst, but now you need to be careful of what you say and do as you sort things out. Sometimes things need to be 'broken' so that their contents can be released and fully appreciated or revealed. "

posted October 16, 2014 06:59 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I was born after the superior one too (surprise there) and guess what degrees are mine

Superior: 11 Scorpio
Inferior: 1 Aqua

So, are you my Twin Star? lol

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Yes, it definitely seems so. Twin stars. lol

Interestingly the superior conjunction in relation to our DAvison chart, is EXACTLY conjunct Davison Sun.

Funny enough Mr Cap relates to that, right?

posted October 16, 2014 07:10 AM            

My Superior SV is trine composite Venus
My Inferior SV is square composite Chiron

Funny about that comp Chiron and our very Chironic synastry. We actually have a dw Sun-Chiron, but no Venus this time.

posted October 16, 2014 07:15 AM            

well in our case, as I said the c-ASC conjunct my inferior conjunction.

the c-MC-Uranus conjunct my superior and his inferior conjunction (closer to HIS though), and c-Eros-Priapus is opposite).

posted October 16, 2014 07:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that is interesting about him relating more strongly. Maybe the connection has more of a purpose for him? Giving him a push into development and growth?

well in our case, as I said the c-ASC conjunct my inferior conjunction.

the c-MC-Uranus conjunct my superior and his inferior conjunction (closer to HIS though), and c-Eros-Priapus is opposite).

c-Destinn conjuncts his superior conjunction.

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Wow on the angles! My superior conjunction is too far away from comp Asc at 18 Scorpio, too far even for comp Uranus at 16 Scorpio.

I think maybe Mr. Cap does need this.. He actually said it at some point, well, not exactly in this form. But I think I do him good, with my bubbly personality. He's too serious lol.

posted October 16, 2014 07:27 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
8.56 Scorpio. We're triplets

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Lmao, I'm sandwiched between you two. Us prenatal SCORPS!

High five, ladies!

posted October 16, 2014 07:27 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
8.56 Scorpio. We're triplets

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LOVELY

posted October 16, 2014 09:06 AM            

So here is my fated-relationship- chart (the superior one directly before my birth - so this is about the new attachments I am going to make in this life)

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Interestingly that charts Moon falls close to where my progressed fullmoon is going to happen - 7 Leo.

posted October 16, 2014 09:08 AM            

Telephone Lineman At Work Installling New Connections

posted October 16, 2014 09:42 AM            

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those anarectic degrees on the angles, so close to the cardinal points - time to wrap things up and start something new I suppose.

posted October 16, 2014 10:03 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Define "good chart". Good for what?

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I wish I knew.

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
cappy,

you can run, you can hide, but you can`t deny that pretty much everything points at you beginning a very intense new cycle or relating. I mean the relationship conjunction on the DESC, in Scorpio?
You cannot run away from that. lol

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You can't escape it either. The yod with Jupiter, Juno and Pholus and THE conjunction rules your 7th and 8th house Your superior chart looks intense too and seems more interesting than mine. Me likey.

posted October 16, 2014 10:09 AM            

My own VSP is inferior, which is true, i feel all that karma for sure. But i was born just 17 days before the superior VSP. Wow.

All in all, i find this great.

Because my VSP tightly conjuncts Mr.Uranus Moon 1.05

posted October 16, 2014 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Interesting.

My own VSP is inferior, which is true, i feel all that karma for sure. But i was born just 17 days before the superior VSP. Wow.

All in all, i find this great.

Because my VSP tightly conjuncts Mr.Uranus Moon 1.05

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So he is the Karma i have to clear? As if i didn't already know that...

My Sabian: A GYPSY READS FORTUNES IN THE TEA-CUPS OF SOCIETY LADIES.

posted October 16, 2014 10:15 AM            

Which is my natal Venus at 17' Libra.

This cardinal degree is verry sensitive in our synastry.
He has a natal Sun-Saturn opposition at 17' Aries-Libra. My Venus at 17' Libra conjuncts his Saturn and opposes his Sun. All that squares his Nodal axis at 18' Aries-Libra.

And here I just found out his VSP is also at that degree - 17' Libra. ( dead on on my Venus and his Sun-Saturn and Nodes). How interesting is that...

posted October 16, 2014 12:29 PM            

my natal
Moon 29 Libra
Saturn 26 Capricorn
NN 28 Capricorn
Capricorn Sun

Now that I know I was meant to be forever alone I can die in peace

It's interesting that the superior Moon falls onto the DSC in this chart and is in the opposite sign. Ceri, I see you got the opposite Moon too. Is this a rule or a coincidence?

Btw, am I the only one who sees

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