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Ami Anne
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posted October 17, 2014 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sun is the ego. The use of the word ego means the central core of the person. The Moon is one’s deepest emotions. This is quite different. Hence, the Sun is more outer oriented. More people will identify one by one’s Sun than any other planet. This is due to the fact that the Sun is always the most important planet in the chart. The Moon would be second.

In a synastry, one would not want colliding of Suns. If this were the case, there would be power plays. On the upside, different Suns provide different point of views and a very different lens for looking at life. This can be marvelous in friendships but may be a minefield in marriage.

To conceptualize the Sun further, think of a bull charging. He is bringing all that he is as he charges toward his goal. That majestic animal could symbolize the Sun. The Sun is the planet that would be “all that we are”. Hence, in relationships, the Sun has great importance. Let’s look at the Sun in synastry and I hope it will become clearer.

Unaspected Sun of one Person to the Other Person

If I see this, I say the relationship is a “no go”. If I see the Moon Unaspected to the chart of the other person, I say the relationship is a “no go”. In some relationships, people do not choose with whom they interact. This would be the case in parent/child, boss/employee, neighbor/neighbor etc. In such cases, I would advise people not to expect emotional closeness. There will be a lack of understanding between the two people. It is the nature of the charts. This lack of simpatico cannot be overcome, in my opinion

Sun Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

The first three are positive. A Sun conjunction in synastry would be, almost, like twins. There would be little need for explanation, as to the motivations of each person. The Sun trines and sextiles would make for an easy flow between the two people. Think of two room mates who live together for years and rarely fight. That would be the Trine and the Sextile. The opposition would make for different world views. This is wonderful in friends but may be hard in a significant other relationship. The Sun squares would not be positive. I envision it as locked egos such as when an argument gets polarized and neither side will budge. I am not saying that people cannot be in relationships with squared Suns, but I imagine there would have to be compensating factors such as Moon trine Moon, for example.

Sun/Moon Conjunctions, Trines,Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Moon in positive aspect( Conj,Trine and Sextile) is a classic best friend’s aspect. The ego of the Sun person bonds with the heart of the Moon person. The Sun person may be the leader. The Moon person may be like a beloved child, just to get a sense of a feel for this aspect. The Sun person may feel protective of the Moon person. The Moon person may look up to the Sun person. The conjunction is, always, the strongest, with the trine second and then the sextile. Best Friend aspects are not soul mate aspects.Soul mate aspects are Moon aspects. Best friend aspects are marvelous. However, in a long term relationship, there may still be an emptiness.

The Sun/Moon opposition may be fine for a friendship but I think that in a long term aspect, it may make for quite a bit of friction. There may be a sense that one cannot really fathom the other person. Sun/Moon squares would be the hardest of all. There may be a locked in feeling between the two the way that exists in international relations with the detente.

Sun/Mercury Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Mercury is the planet of the mind. Sun/Mercury involves the ego of one person relating to the mind of the other. Some conjunctions are negative. Some are positive. With this, it is very, very positive. There will be a mental bonding between the two people. The conjunction would be perfect for business partners, teacher/student or in any situation in which the mind of one person needs to relate to the ego of the other. With the trine and sextile, the same applies.

With the opposition and square, there may be a discordant relationship between the two people. Think of a supervisor who simply does not like an employee. The supervisor’s Sun may be square to the employee’s Mercury. Through no fault of either person, there would be a sense of disharmony, which would, probably, be more of a dislike. Neither would understand why. If one could check the charts, the answer would be apparent.

Sun/Venus Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Venus Conjunction makes for a mutual love. The Sun person finds the Venus person pleasing. Venus is not a sexual planet, per se, but more of “liking the way of the person”. The Sun/Venus in trine and sextile act in a similar way as the conjunction. This is not the case in all conjunctions but it is with Venus/Sun.

Sun oppose Venus may result in an opposites attract. I would not like Sun square Venus. This may make for a dislike of the mannerisms of the Venus person by the Sun person. The Venus person may not feel the Sun person acts in a seemly or dignified manner.

Sun/Mars Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Mars in conjunction is not positive. It is an aspect of contention. The Mars person may be aggressive toward the Sun person. The Sun person may feel a visceral dislike to the Mars person. In this case, the conjunction is not positive. However, trines and sextiles are, always, positive. With the Trine and Sextile, the Mars person appreciates the ego of the Sun person. The Sun person respects the drive of the Mars person. Sun/Mars is not a sexual or romantic aspect, per se. It is more of a business relationship or platonic aspect. Mars square Sun may make for an instant dislike. The Mars person would be the likely one fomenting the dislike. However, if the Mars person was aggressive enough to the Sun person, the Sun person would respond with dislike of his own. Usually, the Mars person is the aggressor in theses cases.

Sun/Saturn Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Saturn in conjunction is not really a positive aspect. The Saturn will want to be parental to the Sun. The Sun will want to lash out against the Saturn person. This aspect can exist in a synastry which has other positive bonding aspects BUT the parent/child dynamic it will be a factor in the relationship. Saturn in Trine or Sextile makes for a grounding in the relationship. It can provide for a glue such as when people stay best friends for life. The Saturn will be more of the parental figure. The opposition and the square may make for an unhappy “parent/child” relationship in which the child wants to run away from home and the parent bemoans the day he fathered the child, so to speak.

Sun/Jupiter Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun conjunct Jupiter is very positive. The Jupiter person brings joy and optimism to the Sun person. The Sun person has a warm, liking for the Jupiter person. The Trines and Sextiles operate in the same way. With the oppositions and the squares, the Jupiter person may be too rash and too extravagant for the Sun person. The Jupiter person may want to gamble away thousands of dollars. The Sun person will be the stabilizing force to stop him. That is the nature of Jupiter in opposition and square.

Sun/Neptune Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Neptune in conjunction is not positive. Neptune fogs and clouds what it touches. In the case of the conjunction, neither person would see the other for who he is. This may be a classic example of a relationship in which both people rue the day they met because at the end, they realize they never KNEW the other person. Neptune in conjunction, opposition or square in synastry poses a great risk for seeing the prince when he is really the frog. For Neptune in Trine and Sextile, there may be a lovely dreamy feeling to the relationship akin to feeling as if one is in a musical.

Sun/Uranus Conjunction, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Square

Sun/Uranus in conjunction is not really positive. Let me explain. It is a jarring aspect. It could be positive in a relationship in which one person jars the other out of his mediocrity, for example. However, for a long term relationship, I do not see it as positive. The Uranus person lights an electrical fire under the derriere of the Sun person. The Sun person may have to talk the Uranus person off the ledge. In the Trines and Sextile, the relationship would still be jarring but manageable. With the squares and oppositions, the relationship may not feel settled or stable.

Sun/Pluto Conjunctions, Trines, Sextiles, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Pluto in conjunction may be a positive aspect and may not. It would depend on the bonding in the rest of the chart. The Pluto person may try to control the Sun person. The Pluto person may see to the core of the Sun person. This does not have to be bad. It may be good. However, one would have to see how this power was used and that would depend on the rest of the chart. Pluto in Trine and Sextile would confer a primal connection which would be very nice. There would be a sense that one could share his primal core with the other. The Opposition and Square may spell power plays. Hence, unless the rest of the chart is very bonded, this relationship may not feel harmonious. It may be filled with power plays and one ups man ship.

Sun/Chiron Conjunction, Trines, Sextile, Oppositions and Squares

Sun/Chiron in conjunction is not favorable for long term success. Sun/Chiron is like Sun/Uranus in that it can be jarring and life changing. However, Sun/Chiron is harder than Sun/Uranus. Sun/Chiron great, great pain. The Chiron person brings the pain to the Sun person. The resulting pain, usually, defines the relationship. If this conjunction is in the natal chart, the person had severe abuse from the father. The person carries that pain through life. Chiron in Trine and Sextile may allow for the parties to deal with pain in a positive way. Chiron in Opposition and Square may undermine the relationship. Chiron is a very strange planet in synastry. The relationships starts as very intense but it’s intensity seems to be it’s death knell, as well. I have articles on Chiron in synastry, so I will refer you to those for more information. Chiron in Square and Opposition may make the relationship too painful to continue. In these cases, I would want to see very warm bonding aspects such as Moon trine Moon to infuse a balance. If not, I would not have much faith in the longevity of the relationship

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posted October 17, 2014 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Thank you for your article, Ami anne.
May I ask... what about sun/asc aspects? Does the asc person is attracted by the sun person?

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posted October 17, 2014 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Marandana:
Wow, Thank you for your article, Ami anne.
May I ask... what about sun/asc aspects? Does the asc person is attracted by the sun person?


Thank YOU for appreciating it, M! I will add the ASC and put it up for you!

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posted October 17, 2014 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Marandana:
Wow, Thank you for your article, Ami anne.
May I ask... what about sun/asc aspects? Does the asc person is attracted by the sun person?


I have it with someone. He is the Sun. I want to help him like lend him a hand. He is starting a new business and I want to help it grow.

It is a warmth between 2 people and a connection.

I will add more on the Sun/ASC tomorrow!

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posted October 17, 2014 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Ascendent is a very personal point on any chart. I say it is like your underwear in that it feels very private and what touches it, you feel. Hence, when the Sun of a person touches your ASC, you both will feel a warmth and a connection. With the Trine and the Sextile, The Sun person will give confidence to the ASC person. The Sun person will boost the confidence of the ASC person. With the opposition and the square, the ego of the Sun person may collide with the ego of the ASC person. There may be power plays or just general friction.

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posted October 17, 2014 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again for another great article. I will have to re-read with less wine. What does a square to north and south nodes in synastry mean? And aspect to pallas and vesta?

Did i mention i love wine?

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Ones of the most likable persons in my life have their Mercuries opposite my Sun or their Suns opposite my Mercuries. I crave for good discussions, and only that aspect provides it for me. So absolutely no dislike here.

The same goes for Sun-Venus or Sun-Sun squares. I can't even count how many of my friends have these aspects with me, because somehow i attract people whose Suns and other personal planets are in cardinal signs as well. And in the respective degrees mostly. So no dislike here as well unless you can secretly dislike your best friend, lol.

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posted October 18, 2014 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Thanks again for another great article. I will have to re-read with less wine. What does a square to north and south nodes in synastry mean? And aspect to pallas and vesta?

Did i mention i love wine?


Thank you so much!

I should have put the Nodes in! I will and post it!


Pallas and vesta. I will add them too, just for you

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posted October 18, 2014 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selene

Many of these aspects would not become really evident unless one were married or lived together.

Have you ever had a best friend and then tried to live together?

That kind of thing

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posted October 18, 2014 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My main focus in these articles are the synastry with your romantic partner/spouse.

I add other tidbits here and there but the articles originated from a question by a guy on how to do his own synastry with his wife.

Hence, a friend would not fit into all that I said.

If you lived together, it probably would lol

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posted October 18, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Thanks again for another great article. I will have to re-read with less wine. What does a square to north and south nodes in synastry mean? And aspect to pallas and vesta?

Did i mention i love wine?


What kind of wine do you like? Are you familiar with all the different kinds or just stick to one?

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posted October 18, 2014 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Selene

Many of these aspects would not become really evident unless one were married or lived together.

Have you ever had a best friend and then tried to live together?

That kind of thing


Ami, my grandparents had Sun opposite Sun, Sun opposite Mercury, etc. and were together for more than 50 years. And were very much in love in the end as well, they were an example for me of true love. It's just that there are people who need hard aspects because they crave them. So do i. Trines bore me.

Edit: and they had Sun conjunct Chiron as well!

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posted October 18, 2014 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha. I like anything that comes in a box. I'm classy like that I prefer white and anything sweet. No particular kind but usually drink pinot grigio.

Can wait to hear about the other aspects!

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posted October 18, 2014 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selene

I base my theories on hundreds and hundreds of charts and also, observation of people.

In a case like this, I would need to talk to the people and to observe.

I would only change my theories based on repeated observation of charts and people, not on reports.

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posted October 19, 2014 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These articles are fantastic Ami Anne. Thank you.

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posted October 19, 2014 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geeky:
These articles are fantastic Ami Anne. Thank you.


Thank YOU, Geeky.

Next, I will work on Venus but my eyes are killing me lol

I will be back to help you with your synasry when I feel better.

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posted October 20, 2014 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selene:
AIt's just that there are people who need hard aspects because they crave them.

yes, that has been my observation over the years as well. It depends a lot on the individual charts how they will react to a certain aspect in synastry.

As a general overview and guideline to the aspects I think Ami`s articles are quite helpful.
Even though we can`t ever interprete an aspect in isolation from the rest of the chart, we have to start somewhere. And that seems a good starting point.

Having said that my parents have dynamic aspects between the luminaries as well. My Mom`s Sun opposes my Dad`s Moon and squares his Sun; they are a very affectionate, demonstrative couple, and find a lot of joy in debating with each other. Ohter people sometimes might even think they argue, but they don´t. It is just their way of banterin with each other (and it is never insulting or offensive in the least, they are always discussing the big social and political topics).
When it comes to their life together, they are very effective as a team, i suppose partly because of their temperamental difference. The important thing is the affection is there as is the agreement about what is important in their shared lives.

So they have made the best of these dynamic aspects in the last over 40 years. But then I once read that fixed signs tend to stick together (in this case Aquarius with Taurus-Moon and Scorpio-Sun).

My Dad would probably be tremendously bored with a woman who was less argumentative than my mom. At least he told that once, that her being a challenge and as smart as she is, and as determined, keeping him on his toes and things fresh.

Well he said in his little speach on their 25th anniversary, that he was even more in love with her than, than on their wedding day, if that was even possible.
and my Dad does not really talk about feelings a lot. lol

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posted October 20, 2014 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like Selene, I find that things work much better for me with squares and oppositions. My x and I have lots of squares and oppositions and we had a relationship like Ceri described. We rarely fought.

But in her thread recently "tell me about your trines", I realized that I have NO inter-planet trines in my natal.

Of course, I don't deny that trines can be lovely positive things, etc. It's just that personally don't like relationships with people that are too "samey". I appreciate so much other people's differences. As an example, I have no Sag friends. None. And I can't ever remember having one. I tried to date a Sag once and it was just so sweet that it was insipid! LOL

So as you say, I can see things "as a general rules". But looking at the individual and the whole picture is very most important.

Of course, AA's articles are about "where to start". Not the be all end all. I find them quite helpful in my learning process also because they generate discussion.

Thanks, AA.

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posted October 20, 2014 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

One synastry takes me 3-5 days.

I write my articles for those who do not want to go to a professional, cannot afford to go to a professional or just want to learn Astrology in as simple a way as I can make it.

I am glad that you can understand, Lucie dear!

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Ami Anne, I don't agree with you here just as I didn't agree with you in your Moon thread.

I don't know what kind of charts you were looking at but I see way more hard than easy aspects between the Suns in romantic synastry.

The two of the most famous couples in the world right now are Brad and Angelina = Sagittarius and Gemini and Jay Z and Beyoncé = Sagittarius and Virgo (the square is exact, btw).

Don't estimate the power of modality. I like to think of signs of the same modality as having the same core values but expressing them differently, whereas signs of the same element have different values but similarity of expression.

Of course you are going to butt heads with someone who is different than you. But this person provides you another perspective, which in turn spurs growth if you're open to it, it helps you become a more integrated individual. Or to use Jung's terms animus and anima, those two are always polar opposites but one cannot function without the other. Everyone has a psychological type and thus everyone has a dominant function, yet we are naturally attracted to people who have our inferior function as their dominant.

Astrologically speaking, the Ascendant and Descendant don't trine or sextile each other in a natal chart for a good reason. They are opposite each other because everything is based on the principle of a see-saw, on duality. And we all strive one way or the other to find balance in duality.

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posted October 20, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is cool, H. I like to exchange opinions. We don't have to agree on everything

I am not saying a chart should have NO hard aspects. I think it NEEDS hard aspects or it will feel too brother/sister.

I am trying to simplify the synastries for people if they want to understand how the individual aspects work in somewhat of an isolated way for the purposes of teaching and learning.

I am trying to simplify in order to teach.

That is my purpose, not to cover all the intricacies because that would make it too complicated for teaching purposes lol

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Don't estimate the power of modality. I like to think of signs of the same modality as having the same core values but expressing them differently, whereas signs of the same element have different values but similarity of expression.

Of course you are going to butt heads with someone who is different than you. But this person provides you another perspective, which in turn spurs growth if you're open to it, it helps you become a more integrated individual. Or to use Jung's terms animus and anima, those two are always polar opposites but one cannot function without the other. Everyone has a psychological type and thus everyone has a dominant function, yet we are naturally attracted to people who have our inferior function as their dominant.

Astrologically speaking, the Ascendant and Descendant don't trine or sextile each other in a natal chart for a good reason. They are opposite each other because everything is based on the principle of a see-saw, on duality. And we all strive one way or the other to find balance in duality.


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