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Aubyanne
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posted October 19, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would seem that tSATURN's final trek through Scorpio along with the SUN going through diplomatic and lawful Libra is bringing to my attention something which would appall Linda, and is greatly distressing me.

Disrespect.

This wasn't Linda's Way, and it certainly is not ours. This wonderful community has not witnessed my Stinger, but I can assure you -- it's there -- and you don't want to.

I'm a fan of reality at least resembling something recognisable; as a scientist, I've made an effort to learn all that I can in order to understand it. When mine started going topsy-turvy, I at least thought LL would be the right place to commiserate, contemplate, explore, and, potentially, adjust.

Linda was an appreciator of all walks; everyone had their story, and she enjoyed listening to them. Even if she did not agree with their point of view, she heard them. Ohh, she had her strong opinions to be sure -- but she expressed them with dignity and humanity.

Anything less than that here is unacceptable, as far as I'm concerned. After all, it's Linda Land. Argue, respectfully. Disagree, with diplomacy. State your opinion, graciously.

Is it really that much to ask?

LL also has a powerful, unspoken role in the global idealogical marketplace. It's one of the top places which people can go whose reality may be varying from the normative experience. They can seek insight. They can obtain wisdom. They can be heard.

I never thought, after several years, that I would be treated with such blatant disrespect for being honest about something that's very, very difficult for me to even begin to understand. Told I'm 'so dramatic it's funny'. Told I 'keep it classy'. I won't type my initial responses to that vitriol. But I will acknowledge it's the symptom of a larger problem. I'm just now the target of such abuse, and have a personal stake. I apologise, as a Moderator, I should have called attention to it sooner. Alas, I am human.

One good thing came of this -- if you can call it such. My emotions had risen to a kind of critical mass -- too much weirdness, too much I don't understand, too many of the normal demands intervening during a time in which I felt I lacked the capacity. In true schizoid fashion, they shut down entirely. I've been of a mostly flat-affect the past week or so; feeling at a distance, conveying myself with my usual demeanor, though it feels a bit forced and foreign. I've certainly shutdown before, but not in several months. Perhaps longer.

This did it. This was the proverbial straw; the single drop which proved too much for the dam to withhold. I am no longer flat, but devastated. The intensity of the emotion I've kept at bay is now breaking free with an irrational force, and I'm liable to keep my distance for a few days, lest I behave in a way which is unbecoming of a Moderator. In short, tell these ... 'people' ... what I really think of their reckless sadism.

You see, I've studied sadism; I've studied the whole of the human spectrum, like hypatia238. I recognise the signs of those who, for whatever reason, tend to conduct themselves this way. But I really, really won't stand for it. To me, that's the antithesis of LL. There are too many wonderful people here, sharing in wisdom, experience, and offering heartfelt guidance, to let the 'bad apples' stand.

I understand we all have a bad day. We all have rough weeks. I'm not attempting to make character judgements; I'm stating that I cannot sit idly by and watch blatant disrespect, undermining, demeaning, and cruelty. Period.

As such, I won't be opening a thread to discuss my recent revelations, and reality-bending experiences here. I've taken enough abuse about it. I understand no one has actual answers -- and that wasn't even the point. It was to be heard; to share; to acknowledge -- for myself -- that I am dealing with a very, very complicated experience, and I wanted to feel a little less alone in it.

To me, that's what this community is also about.

Thank you, as a quick addendum, to everyone who has been as wonderful as usual. You have given me a lot to think about, and directions for further research. I'll continue working with iQ (as he's available) and try and make sense of this bizarre nonsense in my life.

I'll do it alone.

I will continue to Moderate with the same joy in my heart I always bring to the table, along with the baseline respect with which I conduct myself -- and expect from others. As such, I'll still be available for questions, and to provide whatever answers I can.

But I'm not putting myself out there for more shots to be taken. I'm done. It's the equivalent of sitting atop a dunk tank. No more.

That's all I wished to say. Thank you for listening. (I'm terribly sorry if this was 'so dramatic it's funny'. Allow me to suggest you keep your negativity to yourself.)

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 19, 2014 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love is supposed to be dramatic. Or it's not really love.


Sharing our life experiences, our sorrows, our doubts and our happiness IS a big part of what this community is about and what makes it great and welcoming and - I agree rudeness should not be tolerated.


I don't think you should stop writing though. Now that is a little bit "dramatic" . You write for yourself above all, to release and to put things in perspective. At least that's why I do it. Sometimes it's not half as important to get an answer, but rather to get it out of me. OMG the things I overshared in here!!! I agree - if people don't like my writing, don't friggin' read it. I didn't invite you in.

Alas, a little bit more tolerance would make this world a little better place..

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astra7
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posted October 19, 2014 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to hear you've been under attack Aubyanne, I had not idea. I think we ought to be able to express our opinion freely though there bound to be difference of opinions. Choosing a house system is an example for a start and there are many that causes disagreement.

Sending you much love. <3

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Love is supposed to be dramatic. Or it's not really love.

Well I don't know. If you like Venus-Pluto stuff but there are other lovely, light and fluffy love such as Sun-Venus, Venus-Venus or Moon-Venus too.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 19, 2014 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been a Mod for 6 or so years. Many people cannot deal with it because we can criticism. You would be surprised how many people resign from it.

For me, I had many, many, many lessons to learn in how to deal with criticism. However, the learning is not pretty.

The saying that you can't save your face and your azz at the same time applies here.

There is not running from criticism, so one is best staying and trying to learn how to deal with it in a way that one can maintain one's own dignity in the face of it.

That really is the lesson in one sentence but the DOING is very, very, very much harder.

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posted October 19, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only thing I can say is that we should accept and respect everyone`s style as their very own individual valuable way of expression, even if it is foreign from our own.

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Aubyanne
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posted October 19, 2014 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@DancingManaed, @astra7;

Thank you, both, for this. To me, that IS the spirit of this community. None of us should EVER be attacked, demeaned, or made to feel unsupported. For crying out loud, if you can't come here to talk about reality being a little wonk, where can you?

And, I dunno, DM. As I told my husband today, I am a red hot poker of inexplicable irritability. It's tempting to withdraw the words I somehow DO manage to get out while tSATURN hugs my nMOON/MERC MP. I'm feeling very tetchy, and raw, and exposed.

It's not everyday, nor has it EVER been my experience, that reality is capable of THIS. I guess, deep down, I was still the hard-nosed sceptic I've been since twelve. Receiving SO much proof SO fast to where I can't deny something that WRECKS any logical, rational, paradigm I had of reality --- it's been jarring.

I thought to explore it here, astrologically. I had no idea it'd be so poorly received. I'm trying to figure -- did I do something wrong? What happened? Why the vitriol and spite?

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Ami Anne
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posted October 19, 2014 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, both, for this. To me, that IS the spirit of this community. None of us should EVER be attacked, demeaned, or made to feel unsupported. For crying out loud, if you can't come here to talk about reality being a little wonk, where can you?

There is no safe place if it is populated with human beings

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 19, 2014 03:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:

Well I don't know. If you like Venus-Pluto stuff but there are other lovely, light and fluffy love such as Sun-Venus, Venus-Venus or Moon-Venus too.

Honey, once you tasted the good stuff you won't want to go back to the bleak.

However, it is not what I meant. Love is powerful feeling, it is irrational and well, crazy. It's supposed to be that way. Regardless of what aspects you have, but yeah, Pluto stuff is love on steroids.

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posted October 19, 2014 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because you're a drama queen, that's why. It's been like this for months, but poor you, somebody had the nerve to say something, even in fun, so you flounce off and start ANOTHER thread, because your nose has been put out of joint. Again.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 19, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think many of the old time Mods have made peace with each other. We may not agree on many things and we do not!

However, we try to treat each other with respect and I am appreciative and thankful that we all have matured to that point!

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astra7
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posted October 19, 2014 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think, at the moment, you are horning in on 'pain' too much. I'm sure there are many who don't post but appreciate your posts! I have also been 'silenced' by someone recently for expressing my opinion. Talk about pro-censoring! I thought the internet was the land of free. LOL Anyway, I dealt with it by thinking that it was THEIR problem for having inability to see the bigger picture. In effect, they are showing their true color by exposing their nastiness side out. I bet they don't even realise that. lol

Anyhow, I am waffling on, the point is...
Know that there are others who loves ya and your contributions. You can't please everyone for sure.

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astra7
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posted October 19, 2014 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Honey, once you tasted the [b]good stuff you won't want to go back to the bleak.

However, it is not what I meant. Love is powerful feeling, it is irrational and well, crazy. It's supposed to be that way. Regardless of what aspects you have, but yeah, Pluto stuff is love on steroids.

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I am that Venus-Pluto person natally.

Thanks for the extra explanation, I udnerstand what you mean now.

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Vajra
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posted October 19, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 19, 2014 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
@DancingManaed, @astra7;

Thank you, both, for this. To me, that IS the spirit of this community. None of us should EVER be attacked, demeaned, or made to feel unsupported. For crying out loud, if you can't come here to talk about reality being a little wonk, where can you?

And, I dunno, DM. As I told my husband today, I am a red hot poker of inexplicable irritability. It's tempting to withdraw the words I somehow DO manage to get out while tSATURN hugs my nMOON/MERC MP. I'm feeling very tetchy, and raw, and exposed.

It's not everyday, nor has it EVER been my experience, that reality is capable of THIS. I guess, deep down, I was still the hard-nosed sceptic I've been since twelve. Receiving SO much proof SO fast to where I can't deny something that WRECKS any logical, rational, paradigm I had of reality --- it's been jarring.

I thought to explore it here, astrologically. I had no idea it'd be so poorly received. I'm trying to figure -- did I do something wrong? What happened? Why the vitriol and spite?


I think you are very sensitive and sometimes that can collide with others, sadly. Every family has some arguments once in a while.. and LL is one BIG family (no stranger to conflicts, either). I hope peace will be restored soon. I don't know "page one" well, but knowing Cappy's Sag Mercury I don't think she meant it as vitriol, rather as a joke that was poorly received. Please do remember we're in full Mercury Rx here..

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter too.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 19, 2014 03:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
If you start to think like this, the words have already found their target.

Do you know the following story of the Buddhist Saint Sariputra? He was once asked how he managed to remain calm even in the face of horrid insults. His answer was, "It's only sound making contact with the ear."

I guess what I mean to say is, if what someone writes is devoid of useful content and clearly only meant to insult or injure, I'd suggest to think of it as merely pixels on a screen.

However, I also suggest not to forget that we live in extremely stressful times right now that seem to affect the whole planet - civilian airplanes disappearing without trace, or being shot down over Europe of all places; peaceful neighboring countries invaded in Europe for the first time since WW II; ISIL terror and genocidal violence affecting thousands in the Middle East; and then, there's the Ebola scare in West Africa and abroad…My feeling is, people around the world are on edge right now more than normally, and so it's easy to take something said lightly in the wrong way. Mercury is retrograde after all as well.


I'm sidetracking the thread, but wanted to say I completely understand why your man didn't take no for an answer! Bless your wonderful wise heart!

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Vajra
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posted October 19, 2014 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am sorry to hear that! You can email me if you want to talk about it. I understand if you don't, as well.

I wish any misunderstanding and heartache will be short-lived!

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Ami Anne
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posted October 19, 2014 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by astra7:
I think, at the moment, you are horning in on 'pain' too much. I'm sure there are many who don't post but appreciate your posts! I have also been 'silenced' by someone recently for expressing my opinion. Talk about pro-censoring! I thought the internet was the land of free. LOL Anyway, I dealt with it by thinking that it was THEIR problem for having inability to see the bigger picture. In effect, they are showing their true color by exposing their nastiness side out. I bet they don't even realise that. lol

Anyhow, I am waffling on, the point is...
Know that there are others who loves ya and your contributions. You can't please everyone for sure.


Wise words, Astra, as always,

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Well.... I don't know what I'll end up saying here. I don't view myself as the best at communicating sometimes. It really depends on what part of myself I let take charge. Too often, my Gemini moon is all over the place and my Mercury Virgo (with Mars) is thinking too damn much to make sense. But here I go anyway...

I don't know if you've noticed from previous threads around here (two months old or older). I was a bad apple around here. Very confrontational, etc. Plus, I've seen it a lot in others. (I was formally Zander916 btw, so I go back a little further than DeepFreeze)
I'm no psychologist, but I have a few theories and observations. (Observing myself also!) It seems that some people can spend a lot of time here and it doesn't change them. Other people, such as myself in the past, would spend a great deal of time here and it begins to warp reality. So it seems. So, what I mean by that is that it seemed that the importance of what people thought of me on LL, how they "spoke" to me had growing importance. It just can become this struggle of appreciating how amazingly awesome this site is and what it offers, to really keeping in check what's really important and not.

There's a LOT of people who want their opinion heard! Then there's a lot of either miscommunication, or misinterpretation, maybe both. I see it all the time! Someone shares an opinion and others may take it as some "fact" that's being imposed on them. Or it comes across that way. I still find it mind boggling how the simplest, seemingly innocent remarks can turn to wrong so quickly.

I think you moderators are the most important. I mean seriously, as difficult as it might be sometimes, we appreciate you all keeping your cool. It really sparks fury if even the moderators become aggressive and unruly. You know? Then others are like, "Well then f**k it, why should I then??"
I'm sure it's a tough job. I've had issue in the past with what I thought was wrong behavior on moderators parts.
But it's nice that you can vent and get support.

I don't know what's going on with me. I can only think that my moon approaching it's progression into Sag in a couple weeks is affecting me. I don't know what else it would be.
But you know, there's this woman at work. (A sag with Leo moon). She can be very very difficult and NO one likes to work with her. She's the talk around there and when she's on Vacation, they joke that we all are because she's gone.
But, I figured something out. I started listing to WHAT she was telling me, not how she was saying it. She gets excited, but I thought I'd just listen. No matter what, I respond to her the way I WANT her to respond to me. I help her out if she needs it, thank her if she helps me, etc. You know what? That works! She's still herself, but she's not so... "excited" around me. She calms, and her tone gets more relaxed. Heck she even smiles!

Attitude goes a long long way!
Oh. A LOT of people here like to give that perception of calm and not phased. TRULY BEING calm and not phased is another matter, as in my example.
Well I gotta run!

I could probably talk forever, but... not that you needed it but I just felt like sharing a few thoughts with you anyway.

Cheers

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posted October 19, 2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I think you are very sensitive and sometimes that can collide with others, sadly. Every family has some arguments once in a while.. and LL is one BIG family (no stranger to conflicts, either). I hope peace will be restored soon. I don't know "page one" well, but knowing Cappy's Sag Mercury I don't think she meant it as vitriol, rather as a joke that was poorly received. Please do remember we're in full Mercury Rx here..

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter too.


Thanks Maenad for reminding me about Mercury Retro.
Hi Auby, base on the exchanges between you and Cappy so far, I know she likes you. I'm sure it's just a Cappy's style of joke between friends. I hope after this stressful time you'll be able to look at it more tolerantly

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posted October 19, 2014 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I think you misconstrued Cappy's comment - I thought it was a backhanded compliment, or an attempt to lighten the mood, actually. But page one has been genuinely rude, in which case it's best to just ignore. Nothing fruitful comes out of such things. It's okay to dislike someone, but childish to sling barbs back and forth.

All in all, I can tell you're tired; more so than normal. Get some spice chai, suck down some macaroons, and meditate for a little while. You're making me a little worried about this bubbling aggression.

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Aubyanne
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posted October 19, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have been a Mod for 6 or so years. Many people cannot deal with it because we can criticism. You would be surprised how many people resign from it.

For me, I had many, many, many lessons to learn in how to deal with criticism. However, the learning is not pretty.

The saying that you can't save your face and your azz at the same time applies here.

There is not running from criticism, so one is best staying and trying to learn how to deal with it in a way that one can maintain one's own dignity in the face of it.

That really is the lesson in one sentence but the DOING is very, very, very much harder.


Are you saying we should allow it? We should allow blatant disrespect? That's not criticism, Ami. That's abusive. We're to allow abusive behaviour?

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posted October 19, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blind writer:
Hmm, I think you misconstrued Cappy's comment - I thought it was a backhanded compliment, or an attempt to lighten the mood, actually. But page one has been genuinely rude, in which case it's best to just ignore. Nothing fruitful comes out of such things. It's okay to dislike someone, but childish to sling barbs back and forth.

All in all, I can tell you're tired; more so than normal. Get some spice chai, suck down some macaroons, and meditate for a little while. You're making me a little worried about this bubbling aggression.


I'm worried about this bubbling aggression.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Only thing I can say is that we should accept and respect everyone`s style as their very own individual valuable way of expression, even if it is foreign from our own.


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posted October 19, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by page one:
Because you're a drama queen, that's why. It's been like this for months, but poor you, somebody had the nerve to say something, even in fun, so you flounce off and start ANOTHER thread, because your nose has been put out of joint. Again.

If you bothered to read anything, page one, rather than shoot from the hip as you're apparently wont to do, you might have noted that I was organising my thoughts.

One thread focussed upon TISIPHONE in astrology. In fact, many of us are currently dealing with trying to understand her in this context. You'd know that, if you paid attention.

Another introduced whether or not the SATURN / 8H overlay was a potential violence marker. It appears, upon cursory research, via a few other cases with are not mine, that it is. You'd know that, again, if you bothered to read.

My final thread is a culmination of the research I've undertaken for months, resulting in the broad-spectrum analysis of its many factors; taking it all into a single thread seemed easier for me in the long run, as the other two could continue to build, in their specific focus, whereas there, we could explore advanced techniques involving transdimensional points, or evaluate which seem to be operating in such fashion.

All things you'd know if you bothered to read, page one. Clearly, you're more interested in piping off your pearls of wisdom than having anything useful to say.

Pity. I have you on virtual ignore, until further notice. This is the last I will say to you until I've decided I wish to bother with your vitriol. I'll let my fellow Moderators tend to your needs. I'm done for the time being. Get an attitude adjustment. Then we might talk.

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