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Ami Anne
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posted October 20, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Astra and Geeky

This was not the one I was thinking of but I thought you might like it and I will find the other one for you, too

My clients are my teachers. I consider it a great honor that they allow me into their lives and their most private thoughts. I form my theories based on them, myself and the charts. There is not much written about asteroids, so one is a sort of intrepid explorer. I explore the asteroids that resonate with me the most.

Nessus is the abuser. We all have one. Dejanira is the victim. We all have one. The asteroids are very personal to each natal chart. They are very personal to each relationship. If a person does not have a prominent Nessus in the natal chart, she will experience Nessus in synastry. This is true for all asteroids. Hence, one can experience them through relationships.

I have come to know when a client has a Nessus/Deja relationship. She will call me “unglued”. She will be desperate to get the man. She will feel that she will die if she doesn’t.The urgency tells me that it is a Nessus/Deja relationship. I have always been right, so far.

I will look at the chart and his Nessus will be conjunct her ASC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or DSC, usually. Deja will be involved too. These asteroids seem to work in a pair, like a tag team. I may get the client while she is in the throes of a Nessus/Deja relationship. I may get the client after it is over. In this case, the client is much wiser. That is the subject of this article.

I used to think that people should run from Nessus/Deja relationships. However, they would not. They could not. The power is too overwhelming. Picture that sexy vampire in a vampire movie. You want him to take the girl. You know it is going to happen. It is inevitable. That is the feeling of a Nessus/Deja relationship. The passion must run it’s course. There is nothing I or anyone can say to stop it. I know from experience, as I know most of the things I write about.

Once the passion cools, the Nessus/Deja relationship seems to fall to ashes. The people wonder how they were bewitched so. They are in a stunned state of disbelief. Many have lost things that were important to them such as money and possessions. If not, many have lost other relationships with people who warned them, but they would not listen.


I missed my central point which was how Nessus/Deja relationships can be purifying. They seem to be very, very purifying. This surprised me. I did not come to this conclusion until I had enough experience counseling people. Now, I see that these relationships are life changing. The person is burned as if from an actual fire. A fire can burn away dross. The Bible talks about this. We will lose all our material possessions and all out ego achievements when we die. We come to God with only the good deeds we did out of a pure heart.

In the same way, a Nessus/Deja relationship will burn off ego layers. Let me say this. The pain will be incredible. You will feel as if you have a knife in your guts. You will cry as if your heart is breaking. The tears will be like fire. However, after it all, you will be changed. The change could never come by talk therapy, meditation or any New Age methods. The change has come from pure upheaval of your ego.

Ego reduction is the worst sort of pain. It feels as if we are melting. Most people will avoid this pain. However, the pull of the Nessus/Deja relationship makes it impossible to leave, just like the kiss of the vampire.

My conclusion is that one must respect the power of these relationships. They have a power unlike much else. Should I person walk away? I will let you be the judge.

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posted October 20, 2014 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
missed my central point which was how Nessus/Deja relationships can be purifying. They seem to be very, very purifying. This surprised me. I did not come to this conclusion until I had enough experience counseling people. Now, I see that these relationships are life changing. The person is burned as if from an actual fire. A fire can burn away dross. The Bible talks about this. We will lose all our material possessions and all out ego achievements when we die. We come to God with only the good deeds we did out of a pure heart.


While I didn't experience this in my circumstance, I can relate. We had that moon/pluto trine. Oy vey!

Yes, I was changed. And I learned a lot of positive things about myself, surprisingly.

I was always a resilient person but now I'm strong. When I see people with that negative energy, I am able to now block it and not try to "save" them.

I'm more patient now. I've become selfless in love instead of selfish.

I stopped trying to possess/own people at the soul level (different from jealousy, I never was much of a jealous type).

I'm able to trust and let people have their space and privacy now. That all sounds really strange that I can trust now when I stupidly trusted someone but I had to be destroyed to break some bad habits I guess.

I think it happened during the tail end of my Saturn return and my Saturn return was already nasty let me tell you...

I'm just glad that time in my life is over and I am happy I made it out alive because there were days that I wasn't sure if I could actually live without him.

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posted October 20, 2014 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am happy I made it out alive because there were days that I wasn't sure if I could actually live without him.

Geeky, THAT line is classic for Nessus/Deja relationships. When anyone contacts me with that sense about them, I know it is Nessus/Deja and I have not been wrong yet

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posted October 20, 2014 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another article that may help you. People seem to love this one, so I thought you might like it! xx

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posted October 20, 2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Five Darkest, Sexual Aspects in Synastry


There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. Does the man walk up to you and tell you that he wants to abuse you because you seem like the perfect victim? Hardly. In fact, it is the opposite. It seems like the man of your childhood dreams walked out of the ether into your life like the larger than life heroes on the movie screens. It always starts this way. If it feels too, too good to be true, it often is.

In these dark, sexual relationships, you feel the raw passion and soul mate connection like no other. You never want to leave your beloved’s side until they put you in the grave. However, there is a flip side. The flip side is that when it ends( and it usually does) you could go to jail for homicide.

When these relationships end, it is not pretty. It is not pretty at all. That is why I, affectionately, call them “too hot not to cool down.” There are certain aspects I see in these dark,nuclear passion relationships. You say that you want a nuclear passionate relationship. Everyone should have one once in a lifetime, I suppose. It is like sky diving. You can say you did it and you can help the next person who comes along.


1. . Moon/Pluto does not have to be dark sexual but if any planetary aspect would be, it would be this. Moon conjunct Pluto is the strongest of the Moon/Pluto aspects because the conjunction trumps any other aspect in strength. Think sitting next to a roaring fire. In the conjunction, the planets are next to each other( or on top of each other in the exact conjunction).

Moon/Pluto as a conjunction is not dark , per se. It is very, very powerful. When/if that turns bad, it could become dark. However, Moon/Pluto in conjunction does not have to turn bad. It is a true soul mate aspect, to me. It is the passion of lovers and the pure, primal love of a mother for her baby. Powerful, you say? YES

Moon/Pluto in a trine is very powerful, too. It is not as intense as the conjunction but very intense, nonetheless. This is not a dark aspect, either.

Moon oppose Pluto and Moon square Pluto could tend to be dark because they are powerful and not with a harmonious flow. We are dealing with very primal emotions here and we all know what primal emotions and passions can do if a person is not careful. If you see Moon oppose or square Pluto, don’t play with the person. If you want to end it, be upfront and be kind. Playing with someone’s emotions when these aspects are involved could lead to bad things such as violence.

2. Mars/Pluto

Mars/Pluto is more primal in a pure sexual way than Moon/Pluto which is more emotional and much more emotionally bonded. You can have Mars/Pluto with a fling and not feel a thing in your emotions.We have the same kind of weighting with the conjunction, trine, opposition and square as we did above.

To summarize, I would say that Mars/Pluto could be passionate sex and passionate emotions but no soul.If a chart had no Moon aspects and Mars/Pluto aspects, I would say it would be a fling.

3. Now, we come to things that could really make the relationship dark. The first would be Nessus

Nessus is the abuser’s asteroid. I, always, have people want to tell me that Nessus is not always abuse. To me, it always is. The exception would be the person who overcame it through God. However, this person would have to play it out before he overcame it. If you see Nessus in synastry, make sure you know which side of the fence he is on. To be honest, few people overcome Nessus. It can be done but it is rare that someone reaches that level of spiritual mastery. I have seen it in a few people, only.

4. Another asteroid that is dark is Dejanira. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. People tell me the same thing they tell me with Nessus. “Not all people with a prominent Dejanira are victims” I disagree.I think they will be until they can truly overcome it with God. Many people say they have overcome things but I watch their actions and see they are lying. They are deceiving themselves, would be a better way to say it. The chart allows one to see oneself. That is why it is so powerful. That is why I don’t mince words. It is disrespect to Astrology which I love and respect.

To put it plainly, if you have a dominant Nessus, you will be an abuser. If you have a dominant Dejanira, you will be a victim. If you do not have either of these in the natal but have them in synastry, it will play out the same way. In other words, if a man’s Nessus conjuncts your ASC, he will abuse you, in my opinion. If a man’s Nessus conjuncts, your Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or North Node, he will abuse you, in my opinion. If your Dejanira conjuncts his ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus or NN, you will be his victim.

Before I leave this subject, I will add my theory. This is based on experience and charts, as are all my theories. I think the Nessus/Deja relationship in synastry is a re-play of childhood abuse. That is why it is so powerful. That is why it feels so life and death. It brings you back to the time when you were a child and truly powerless.

5. Uranus/Mars in synastry can be kinky. This is not dark sexual, per se. However, if you have Nessus/Dejanira and Mars/Uranus, particularly in hard aspect( opposition and square), it may make for dark spice, shall we say. the reason this is the case is that Mars is sexual drive( all drives actually). Uranus is kink, so you do the math.

I am looking to add 5 more aspects and would love your opinions!

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posted October 20, 2014 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I have come to know when a client has a Nessus/Deja relationship. She will call me “unglued”. She will be desperate to get the man. She will feel that she will die if she doesn’t.The urgency tells me that it is a Nessus/Deja relationship. I have always been right, so far."

My Ex has:
natal retro Nessus in Cancer at 24 deg 09

My Husband has:
natal nessus direct in cancer at 23 deg 52

I have;
DRACO Dejanira in Aries at 24 deg 05

"In the same way, a Nessus/Deja relationship will burn off ego layers. Let me say this. The pain will be incredible. You will feel as if you have a knife in your guts. You will cry as if your heart is breaking. The tears will be like fire. However, after it all, you will be changed. The change could never come by talk therapy, meditation or any New Age methods. The change has come from pure upheaval of your ego."

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posted October 20, 2014 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami you are have truly become an excellent astrologer. I find myself enjoying reading your work more and more..

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posted October 21, 2014 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami you are have truly become an excellent astrologer. I find myself enjoying reading your work more and more..

Ditto.

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posted October 21, 2014 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As 'Return To Innocence' by Enigma begins to play. Fitting.

For me, it's with my Guardian Soulmate; I'm NESSUS, he's DEJA, and it's exact at 23° CAN. My 11H, his 8H. It's also conjunct my SCHRÖDINGER-NYMPHE, and square his MOON-BML-NYMPHE (and conjunct my PRIAPUS).

Life-changing, healing, incredible, transcendental and transformational. These are all words I'd use to describe it. We use Tantric sex as well as BDSM in order to help each other access and heal some of the worst we've both endured. It takes a powerful trust and creates a wonderful intimacy, if approached with honesty and unconditional love.

I have NESSUS opposite a curious pair natally -- ALICE-AMOR. I've slowly learnt over time that uncovering the root to a strange obsession has led to healing wounds of my soul I hadn't even realised I possess. I find it curious, too, that while his is 9°, he does have MADHATTER-VALENTINE near his NESSUS.

Coincidence? Doubtful.

We'll toss NESSUS energy back and forth much like a relay; one pushes the other to grow and transcend, helping the other over a particularly high hurdle. This likely stems from the dynamic having gone the opposite direction before, and still operating on that level as an undercurrent. (His NESSUS conjunct my drDEJA, 1°30.)

SCHRÖDINGER's involvement with my NESSUS has shown -- outside of my obsessive need to understand the quantum nature of life (to where it's become quite second nature!) how we tend to bring in these karmic influences rather regularly. That would account for the odd balancing of the NESSUS and DEJA between us.

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posted October 21, 2014 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, since you brought 'em up:

MOON opposite PLUTO (0°)
MARS conjunct PLUTO (0°)

In both cases, I'm PLUTO.

I'd add in VENUS conjunct PLUTO as well, as, that's a doozy. We've got a VENUS-URANUS square (0°) but only a MARS-URA semisextile, (0°30).

He's been my Dominant, off-and-on (as the relationship had been) since 2010. But it's been a more constant undercurrent for the past year, and, in the last month, has become our primary sexual dynamic. We both feel as if we've oddly 'come home' by discovering the means to heal one another in this difficult way. We're both very considerate people, and it was hard for him to access his own Shadow nature -- just as it was for me to allow myself to be vulnerable. Our sexual experiences are night-and-day now from the more mechanised and clinical interactions they started out as.

It's probably the NESSUS/DEJA and PLUTO synastry. I'd add in his BML conjunct my PRIAPUS (0°, 8H) has a lot to do with it, too -- as well as his SATURN in my 8H.

And, by the way, I'm Dominant myself. Submissive to no one ... but him.

Boy, was THAT a hard realisation to come to ....

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posted October 21, 2014 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Ami ... I just realised something.

My Twin's NESSUS is right on my NNODE-OSIRIS. Hardest thing I did was accepting he's an abuser, and needs to learn to heal -- on his own -- and letting him go.

Again, though, with my Guardian, I've got another odd linkage.

My nDEJANIRA is conjunct his drASC! It's exact, too. I wonder, do you think this points to the karma where he victimised me? It's clearly karmic in nature (with Draco) and if your DEJA on another's ASC makes you their victim according to your findings -- then I wonder ....

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posted October 21, 2014 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't use Draco, A, so can't speak to that.

WOW but your twin's Nessus conj your NN. He will bring you abuse. That is classic. I will put up my most popular article of all time, I think

Conjunctions to the NN in synastry and it will help you to understand

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posted October 21, 2014 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunctions to NN would be an interesting one to read, Ami

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posted October 21, 2014 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SO I have a grand trine with my ex and husband involving Nessus.

With my ex Sun-Uranus trines my moon and his Nessus.

With my husband Mars-Uranus which conjuncts his DC trines my moon conjunct IC and his Nessus. (this GT is more tight). Natally his dejanira squares his nessus.

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posted October 21, 2014 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So who has too much ego that needs to be dissolved IYO? the dejanira person or the nessus person or both?

Draco Geisha in scorpio conjuncts my natal Nessus in the 8th exact. I have Geisha conjunct saturn and DNA all inconjuncting chiron in the 6th; saturn rules my 2nd and falls in my 11th.

Dejanira conjuncts Asia and my 8th cusp exact on Sirius. Edo conjuncts exact my sun. Tachibana conjuncts my draco IC exact. SHINSENGUMI (5815) conjuncts exact my MARS.

My Geisha conjuncts exact my husband's karma....


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posted October 22, 2014 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 22, 2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Every living person has too much ego because it is a constant fight.

The nessus person and deja person both have equal ego amounts, in a way.

The person who thinks he is better than everyone has too much ego, as the does the person who thinks he is worse than everyone

A proper ego respects himself and appreciates his good and accepts his bad.

I think some people get closer to that but prolly no one will reach it while we are on the earth imo

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posted October 22, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:


The person who thinks he is better than everyone has too much ego,[b] as the does the person who thinks he is worse than everyone


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That is a very important point, that I find gets ignored too much.

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posted October 22, 2014 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Ceri. This is all from personal pain

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Every living person has too much ego because it is a constant fight.

The nessus person and deja person both have equal ego amounts, in a way.

The person who thinks he is better than everyone has too much ego,[b] as does the person who thinks he is worse than everyone

A proper ego respects himself and appreciates his good and accepts his bad.

I think some people get closer to that but prolly no one will reach it while we are on the earth imo

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posted October 22, 2014 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the article Ami Anne.
It's very interesting as always.
You are a very good writer.

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Thank you for the article Ami Anne.
It's very interesting as always.
You are a very good writer.

Thank YOU, Astra. Those kind words make my day

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