posted October 20, 2014 08:09 AM            

In his natal chart he has venus square pluto, but on the whole Pluto is very dominant in my chart! I have no square or oppositions, but a Scorpio Asc conj Pluto very tightly, my sun trines pluto and my moon is in 8th house, which -unfortunately(or not)- would make me quiet plutonian, right?

Soo... even though he is the pluto in synastry and he has the pluto venus square nataly.. would I be the one acting out all the obsessive tendencies? And is he someone who's venus/pluto square would manifest not directly through his behavior, but through the women he chooses to date?

Does the natal chart indicate, in which way a hard aspect would manifest?

posted October 20, 2014 09:30 AM            

I have Pluto on my asc and Pluto is heavy in our synastry.
I really don't care to control anyone. I want to be in control of myself and become VERY VERY rebellious if I feel like someone is attempting to control me, guilt trip me, manipulate me, etc. Oooo I get vicious.

posted October 21, 2014 01:17 PM            

It really does depend upon influences; just as quindeciles in synastry will tend to be felt and 'activated' by the one (or both) who have natal quindeciles. It's a bit like this with inner-to-outer interaspects.

I've had a curious, recent personal experience which has shed some light. In my relationship with my partner, we have a 2º VENUS sextile PLUTO, and a 9º PLUTO conjunct VENUS. Even I called BS on the VENUS-PLUTO conjunction; 'you're reaching,' thought I. 'That's in friggin' Siberia!' And so on.

And yet, it's SO felt. This man affects me in ways I can't begin to articulate. While that's hardly a single aspect, I know VENUS conjunct PLUTO -- and when I finally had it with someone. (A man 13 years my senior, and eyeing 50 is wonder enough; I can't honestly conceive of a relationship that isn't platonic between myself and a man seven more years my senior.)

I do have this aspect, 1º, with my stepdaughter's mother. We bonded instantly; she took me under her wing; I was appreciative. Then she started making moves of which I did NOT approve that seemed reckless and damaging to her relationship with my stepdaughter, and we fell out for years. Just NOW starting to kinda find our way back to a real relationship.

The above is more of a qualifier why I consider the aspect at all; the likelihood I'm to experience this in a romantic context? I'd say zero. But my partner's responsible attitude and respectful means of conducting himself earnt my respect. It's also overlaid into my 1H. So while it's very widely conjunct my VENUS in the 12H, it's crossed my ASC and is now visible in my 1H.

All of that really does apply. Anything hitting my 12H VENUS is going to be felt; like freshly exfoliated skin -- whatever touches that new layer will be immediately perceived, as there's an extra sensitivity to a point which is 12H and tucked away. Perhaps the distance allows it to be noticed, but pleasant; a dollop of slightly warmed cocoa butter, rather than icy menthol.

But your question is -- who takes the PLUTO energy? Is it always the PLUTO?

For that, I have to trackback to the natal as well. I'm an ex-profiler (academic with limited field experience) with a PLUTO dominant chart; he's an ex-military propagandist and intel officer. His chart seems MARS-heavy -- with MOON, BML, EROS, SATURN, and a few other points in Aries; as well as MARS opposite MOON and square MERC.

But he isn't MARS-heavy. While it's true that he was able to play politics in the Good Ole Boys club, (as was I, with the Bureau) he learnt to control that Martian influence very young, for (perhaps very real fears) that he would instead simply be violent. That seems unbelievable for any who know him, as he's been practically Stoic for ages; 'very Vulcan'.

His SUN is 8H; along with MERC, and his Cancer stellium. So, at first glance, his 8H is actually rather active -- as active as his 5H (Aries).

Being in an actual position of power (military officer) led him to experience power from the perspective of the one in charge. He saw many abuse it; he came to abhor them, and eventually it. Abuses of power and power plays became an overriding feature of his psyche; he got to where he'd avoid it at all costs. Hated it to the point where he became the top working background actor in Hollywood. If you've watched any major TV series shot in Los Angeles in the past 20 years, he's somewhere on it. I used to jokingly call him 'That Guy' for this reason; he coined himself a 'professional nonentity'.

So, it'd be obvious I'm the one with all of the PLUTO, and, in any of the synastry, must be the one harnessing the energy, right? Well, I don't actually feel that, strangely enough. In fact, he has such an abundance of an aura of power he works to keep it understated. He's also afraid of appearing anything less than personable and friendly -- to the point of saccharine. He's terrified of intimidating anyone. Must be his SAG Rising; JUPITER as a chartruler certainly wants to appear jovial and sanguine. But he himself has described himself as 'too serious to the point of being dour.'

Now that he's begun to reintegrate these elements of his personality and is really coming into his own power is a beautiful thing to behold. Being one who understands it so intimately as to not abuse it, makes him an incredible leader. (I'm probably a bit biased with his MERC there on my MENTOR, but hey.)

In my practise, I've had to deal with many abuses of power, and teach others how to learn to handle it themselves. Both men and women can run afoul of their own ego and find themselves subject to tyranny -- especially the purveyor of it.

PLUTO really just opens the Pandora's box of our Power schema -- that place in our brain which has a laundry list of items associated with power. If we've been abused and betrayed, it's going to be mostly negative entries. If we've had the fortune to follow a strong leader and be mentored into our own power, we'll have a warm, loving relationship to the concept of power.

So, just as I say in all things -- it's not a cop out. It really is entirely dependent upon the individual's relationship to -- and experience with -- power.

The PLUTO individual will, in some way, awaken those feelings -- whether by taking the disowned energies (if they haven't accepted their own power) and teaching lessons according to the sign and house placements as well as aspects. Or, it may be more of a testing; the hard aspects tend to be something of a 'check-up' on how you're using your own power. Softer aspects a reward for choosing to use it constructively rather than abuse them.

In the proverbial nutshell, the short answer is, Plutonians will have an easier time with PLUTO synastry, depending upon their natal aspects.

I'd check progressions to see if harder natal aspects are softening, and the journey to reclaiming personal power has been smooth or rough. Otherwise, a Plutonian with deep wounds which haven't been properly healed, is going to react rather violently and defensively to PLUTO energy in the synastry. It may be seen as an affront. Conversely, it may be what they've wanted so badly, that previous betrayal memories rear their ugly heads and wreak havoc.

As you'd expect, CHIRON can be the flip side of the vulnerability and power coin. It helps us understand wounds that have been afflicted by abuses of power -- often wrought by PLUTO in some fashion.

Unsurprising, we tend to find CHIRON and PLUTO heavy in the same synastries.