posted October 25, 2014 01:45 PM            

I was reminiscing about my ex-soulmate on the Neptune thread the other day and remembered that I have never taken a good look at the transits for the day we fell apart.

It happened very suddenly, and because it was a full moon and a weekend, I was able to figure out the exact date. We had been talking about our eternal future together...then that night there was a silent misunderstanding that escalated and escalated into a permanent cold war.

Triggers to the composite chart:

*Transiting Pholus conjunct composite Pluto at the base of our composite kite, 0 orb.
*Tr full moon and tr sun forming a t-square with tr Pluto, which was transiting conjunct our composite Kaali-Mercury conjunction, which is conjunct my natal Venus, our pr comp Venus, and (widely) pr comp sun.
*Tr NN conjunct composite Juno. (Gee I thought there'd be a wedding...???) But no, because:

Tr Juno 8 Taurus
Composite Jupiter 8 Taurus
His natal moon, around 8 Taurus
His pr Venus 8 Scorpio
tr Jupiter 7 Aqua
My pr sun 7 Aqua
My natal Mercury 5 Aqua
Tr Uranus 6 Aqua
Tr Ceres 9 Aqua
pr comp Saturn 6 Leo

^^ I need time to process that more

*Tr Chiron conjunct his exact NN-Uranus conjunction, which is exactly conjunct my name asteroid. And yes it is my actual name, not a word that sounds close to my name. =)
*Tr Chiron opposing his pr Chiron on my MC

Triggers to pr composite chart

*This, as I mentioned less precisely above:

8 Sag pr comp sun
5 Sag pr comp Venus
5 Sag tr Pluto
6 Sag my natal Venus
4 Pisces tr sun
4 Virgo tr moon

*And this:
23 Aries pr comp BML
23 Aries my natal Chiron

*Weirdly
12 Sag pr comp Kaali
12 Sag pr comp Neptune

Other detonations in synastry:

*Tr Pholus hit not only our composite Pluto but his tight stellium in Libra
*My progressed ASC conjunct tr BML, conjunct his pr Psyche. Too close for comfort!

Triggers that made me b!tchy:

*Pr ASC conjunct tr BML, as I said.
*Tr Saturn conjunct my natal BML
*Pr sun conjunct tr Jupiter exact, also conjunct natal Mercury (2*) and its ruler, Uranus (1*) -- Not proud to remember this but it made me feel a bit "high and mighty" at the time.
*Pr moon conjunct Venus on the Sag-Cap cusp (3*)("I deserve better than this.")
*Pr Mercury conjunct tr Neptune (2*)
^^ Speaks for itself
*Tr Kaali conjunct my pr SN exact

Triggers that made him annoying.

*Tr Mars conjunct his natal Mercury
*Tr Aqua stellium trine his Libra stellium. Seems like all he wanted was non-stop "good times" then.

C'est la vie...

posted October 25, 2014 04:17 PM            

A turning point with all that Pholus/other fate markers activity - it's important to understand such an event, such a turning point had always been preparing in the background and many times it is seen in the permanent charts from the beginning, like a ticking bomb.

I am sorry, Faith

I'm curious if the actual conflict was of Saturn vs Uranus type and what Saturn rules in your composite chart.

posted October 25, 2014 11:32 PM            

@LeeLoo

Thank you, too. It was such a long time ago but absolute heartbreak.

I agree that the end was "written in the stars" from the beginning. I have Saturn square Uranus natally, so my Saturn is square his Uranus, too, as we are about the same age.

The way it all devolved into dead silence is more Plutonian to me. Hardly anything was said to each other, it was just rumors and reactions to rumors, mainly. His pr Venus in Scorpio...my Venus conjunct transiting Pluto. Both of us with Scorpio NN.

posted October 25, 2014 11:46 PM            

Take some heart, I suppose, in the aeternal nature of it all. And, as I've heard many times, 'never say never'.

Hypatia238 and Ami Anne have both done some excellent research regarding CHIRON relationships, though, and Ami might say that yours is a classic case.

I personally like to believe that it ain't over 'til it's over, and we'll keep on beating that dead horse until closure is obtained, in some fashion.

posted October 26, 2014 12:10 AM            

Marriah Carey- Nick Cannon:
TR Saturn square progressed composite Venus and Sun

Melanie Griffit - Antonio:
TR Saturn conjunct progressed composite Venus , square Mars

friends couple divorcing after many years together:
1st attempt to divorce (didn't go thru it)-
TR Saturn square progressed composite Venus and Sun
2nd attempt to divorce (severe):
TR Saturn conjunct progressed composite Venus and Sun + composite Sun-Venus-Saturn inconjunction.

Kloe Kardashian - Lamar:
TR Saturn conjunct progressed composite Venus

posted October 26, 2014 12:15 AM            

Pardon my eccentric terminology. I really do see him as my ex-soulmate and doubt I will change that term. But maybe you are right and he and I will talk again...though I can't imagine that ever happening. Not even in a future lifetime.

Your sympathy is appreciated even though my wound is old and I barely even feel it anymore, except when I dream about him.

And then...it is a very disturbing day or two as I re-experience how it felt, back when I was half of One.

But I snap out of it again.

Hey, at least my life hasn't been boring.

posted October 26, 2014 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I noticed, after looking at a few charts, that Transiting Saturn in all of my cases was making a hard aspect to the progressed composite venus and or sun at the time of the spilt/divorce.

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Good to know!

I don't think it detracts from your data to say that in our case, tr Saturn in Aries was exactly trine our progressed composite Sag Venus.

5 Aries tr Saturn
5 Sag pr comp Venus
8 Sag pr comp sun

posted October 26, 2014 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
And then...it is a very disturbing day or two as I re-experience how it felt, back when I was half of One.

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posted October 26, 2014 01:32 PM            

The whole synastry/comp needs to be taken into account, as usually.

I would look for a LACK of aspects and unaspected planets to see the reason for such a break up. In fact, if you want to analyze this break up, it would be interesting if you could post the charts.
In my experience, there's always a combo of factors: at least 2-3, not just one.

However, I agree with what Orange said, Saturn IS there in breakups. Saturn is the Lord of Time, he says: "time is up"; he is also the Lord of Harvest, whatever was planted in the relationship would be harvested during a hard Saturn transit.

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posted October 26, 2014 02:39 PM            

I know of at least one source close to Lennon saying that he cheated on Ono, and they may have divorced if he lived longer. Still, I appreciate your input and will keep it in mind.

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I would look for a LACK of aspects and unaspected planets to see the reason for such a break up.

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Hmmm!!!

You know, I'm going to look at the transits for when I broke up with my other long-term boyfriend (I've only been in three LTRs including my marriage and remember when the other two ended.) I suspect there were issues of things remaining isolated and *unaspected* with us, as we just didn't click strongly (despite Venus trine Venus and some other binding synastry that kept us going for four years.)

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In fact, if you want to analyze this break up, it would be interesting if you could post the charts.

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Ok, I'll post them when I get a bit of time. Thanks for being willing to take a look.

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However, I agree with what Orange said, Saturn IS there in breakups. Saturn is the Lord of Time, he says: "time is up"; he is also the Lord of Harvest, whatever was planted in the relationship would be harvested during a hard Saturn transit.

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posted October 26, 2014 03:30 PM            

As for squares inc omposite I have been actually wondering about those for quite some time.
How can it be that two harmonious synastric aspect result in a square inc omposite and should spell disaster?

Personally I am more or less of the opinion that probably the aspects in composite are more a kind of intensity-marker, but to see how they really operate, they can`t be seen isolated from the synastry.
But maybe I am wrong about that. I donīt know.

posted October 26, 2014 04:30 PM            

I'm looking at my own now and yeah, I've been steadily losing interest ever since tSaturn opposed prog cVenus. It's been slow and deadly, like poison spreading inside a body.

I haven't been using transits to progressed analysis much yet, I'll definitely start to give this more attention.

posted October 26, 2014 05:35 PM            

Been thinking about you (!!!) but will put it in email.

Also, before I post the charts, I wanted to say that I don't have his birth time, but to give me an estimate idea, I "rectified" his chart to give him a Pisces ASC, as he seems like that to both of us (this is the guy I sent you a video of.)

So--no accurate degree for his moon, just an "educated guess."

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
However him haunting your mind now and then, certainly wants to tell you something, I think).

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Maybe on some level, some part of each of us needs to keep acknowledging that it is/was real. "It" being the soulmate connection.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Personally I am more or less of the opinion that probably the aspects in composite are more a kind of intensity-marker, but to see how they really operate, they can`t be seen isolated from the synastry.

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posted October 26, 2014 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I haven't been using transits to progressed analysis much yet, I'll definitely start to give this more attention.

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Good luck with it! And post your findings, if you like! I have like an insatiable appetite for charts and stories, charts and stories. What I don't have is time, but lately I've been cutting out more time for astrology, what with the sun transiting conjunct my Uranus. (Can't help it, it's time to be weird )

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I've been working with House Charts for a while now and I'm eager to test them on everything I can get good feedback on.

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Thanks again.

Not sure if I know about house charts. (?) You mean, paying special attention to the houses and house cusps?

I wish I had accurate birth times. My birth time is based on anecdote and memory, and a bit of rectification with an astrologer I trust.

posted October 26, 2014 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you, libran_dream.

Thanks again.

Not sure if I know about house charts. (?) You mean, paying special attention to the houses and house cusps?

I wish I had accurate birth times. My birth time is based on anecdote and memory, and a bit of rectification with an astrologer I trust.

I don't know my ex's birth time, I just guessed.

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House Charts is something that I have been playing around with lately and I am amazed at what we can find with them over and over again.

It's just a more precise measure of the houses. You apply Equal, and see what you get. (so each equal house cusp is 0 degrees natural sign: AC is 0 Aries, DC is 0 Libra)
Then you look for house-tropical conjunctions(and other aspects, I've only been looking at conjunctions, as there is PLENTY of material everywhere you look without even going further)

Example: 7th house Sun, 10° from DC. That's 10 Libra in your house chart. It's your "personal" 10 Libra. It's very likely you will have significant relationships with individuals with a placement on Libra 10.

This gives an added dimension to synastry, or rather, makes the one we already use - houses - more precise.

posted October 26, 2014 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Hugs back to you then.

Is there a thread where I can read your story?

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posted October 27, 2014 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Try calculating just your big 5 to start with and compare with the people in your life. I'd love to hear the results!

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posted October 27, 2014 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
About my Twin, or my Guardian? Or both? It's a doozy, that's for sure. Transdimensional stuff. Heavy karma. Major drama.

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OMG the suspense is killing me I love karma and drama. Where do I find it? Links?

posted October 27, 2014 10:00 AM            

And...no composite Sun sq Saturn in there

EDIT: an Uranus story, Faith Anything in composite Aqua, any major asteroid?
I know it was painful and I'm sorry, but the chart for the moment is amazing, astrologically speaking; it tells a whole story.
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posted October 27, 2014 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
K! Thanks for explaining. I'll try and work it out when I have more brainpower. It's late here.

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