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babybull82
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posted October 26, 2014 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met a man online less than a month ago (pretty much RIGHT before Mercury went rx) and it's pretty frightening how fast things are moving..emotionally. We haven't met in person yet as we are quite far from one another. There are some things in our synastry that concern me greatly and I'm trying so hard not to get attached because if I do I'm afraid it will just be ripped away.

The aspects that concern me are the conjunctions from his chiron to my sun and my chiron to his Venus. Also his moon conjuncting my Pluto is something I've never experienced before. I've read that those aspects make it very hard for two people to let go.

It's odd how I find comfort in talking to someone I've barely known a month and he finds comfort in talking to me too. And don't get me started on the composite. We have a 12th house stellium. Something I found interesting is we have Saturn in the 12th. I find that people who are significant and I have known for yrs (specifically men) we have Saturn in the 12 house composite, one of those being the father of my children lol

Any insights, tips or advice? Should I run the other way?

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babybull82
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posted October 26, 2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a feeling that with the sun being @ 29 degrees this is an old relationship from a past life that has unfinished business..

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posted October 27, 2014 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you say "he lives far away", does he actually live in Seoul and you live in LA?

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posted October 27, 2014 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am seeing a lot of karmic signatures here.

Here's a quick house chart analysis:
The House Position cSun is around 17 Scorpio. This tells you about the more subtler and personal goals of the relationship. It's approximately conjunct his tropical Uranus, and his House Karma/Vertex/Destinn.

House cVenus is around 13 Libra. That is exactly conjunct the composite AC, and also his tropical Cupido, loosely his Pluto/your Saturn, and even more, it's where his South Node falls in your House Chart.

And, finally, the House cMoon is 27 Pisces, which is your tropical Venus and I'm not sure if that's Karma or Destinn with it, and it's also close to where your IC falls in his House Chart.

So my conclusion is that this is quite karmic, definitely.

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posted October 27, 2014 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
When you say "he lives far away", does he actually live in Seoul and you live in LA?

He lives in Alaska, I live in Seattle.

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posted October 27, 2014 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 27, 2014 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by babybull82:
He lives in Alaska, I live in Seattle.

Ok... That seem more manageable!

Let me look and see what I see.

I like the angles touching.
Merc conj (ish?) the DC and in the 7th is probably one reason you like to write to each other.

Personally I don't mind V opp Uranus. Because I like non-traditional relationship and lots of freedom. Some people would not appreciate that aspect.

But Saturn in the 1st is so heavy.

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posted October 27, 2014 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Ok... That seem more manageable!

Let me look and see what I see.

I like the angles touching.
Merc conj (ish?) the DC and in the 7th is probably one reason you like to write to each other.

Personally I don't mind V opp Uranus. Because I like non-traditional relationship and lots of freedom. Some people would not appreciate that aspect.

But Saturn in the 1st is so heavy.



Yes I agree!!! When we facetime I feel like he's just looking at me and critiquing me mentally lol Saturn in Virgo I guess.

There are moments though where I feel I don't know not so much creeped out by him but well I can't describe it. Maybe that's the moon/pluto I'm feeling? He hasn't done anything specifically to creep me out he seems quite normal and he's nice. He is also very intuitive but a little off sometimes about my thoughts and feelings but for the most part he's right about a lot of things. Seems very stable for a Gemini. I was pretty apprehensive to talk to him at first just based off past experiences with them. But when I talk to him he's sounds very mature and he knows what he wants. He basically told me from the start he is ready to settle down, get married and have a family. He didn't lose his virginity until his was 30 as he said he was waiting for marriage, but I guess circumstances changed.

I'm just wondering now that the Rx is over if things will taper off or remain the same as far as communication goes. And I don't mind the long distance either I actually like that because I like my space as well.

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posted October 27, 2014 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi baby bull ,

internet romance....anything square to mars is a red flag. this composite has Neptune square to Jupiter.
this is a aspect of deception and misrepresentation. I would not believe anything he says.
secondarily the sun is opposed to Uranus which shows a very intense but unstable relationship. this aspect gives a sense of spontaneity but the Neptune square shows every thing is for a hidden reason.
also the node by transit is square to the composite nessus....... this is a very strange energy under which to get to know some one. nessus is abusive and domineering , show your enchantment with him must have a dark side.
I thnk you habe rose colored glasses on about him.

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posted October 27, 2014 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hi baby bull ,

internet romance....anything square to mars is a red flag. this composite has Neptune square to Jupiter.
this is a aspect of deception and misrepresentation. I would not believe anything he says.
secondarily the sun is opposed to Uranus which shows a very intense but unstable relationship. this aspect gives a sense of spontaneity but the Neptune square shows every thing is for a hidden reason.
also the node by transit is square to the composite nessus....... this is a very strange energy under which to get to know some one. nessus is abusive and domineering , show your enchantment with him must have a dark side.
I thnk you habe rose colored glasses on about him.

rahu


Coupled with the Venus opp Uranus it could add to quick start, quick end scenario as well.

I agree with the distance that BB should but on the brakes a bit on this one and get to know him slowly, slowly and with eyes wide open.

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posted October 27, 2014 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys.

I am actually in no rush to meet him we are just talking right now. Hmm, so maybe that nessus energy is that weirdness I feel.

@ Todd you mention rose colored glasses, I actually think he is seeing me like that too. He has a very romanticized view of certain things and in some respects he seems a bit naive. If you noticed my neptune is opposing his Mercury and he has that natally, so first thing I thought was that he probably lies a lot. But I'll be honest and say I haven't been truthful about a few things myself but to me they aren't things I feel he should know right now about me. He says I'm confusing a lot but really I think he just looks too deeply into some of the things I say.

I get that feeling that he likes to talk to different women in different places and perhaps have long distance relationships with them? Like I said I do feel a sort of weirdness from it..but I'm also sensing a bit of naivety when it comes to him. I mean who say he necessarily has to be the one deceiving. Maybe there is something I am doing that could be perceived as deceit on his end. I will admit that I'm not taking it as seriously as he may be just by some of the things I've heard him say. I'm just kinda going with the flow at this point.

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posted October 27, 2014 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I study the chart more I'm thinking with Venus inconjuncting uranus and Saturn and 12th house being ruled by mercury in the 9th and 5th house being ruled by Saturn in the 12th there will probably be a lot of talk and fantasy about being together. But it will probably never happen.

Funny about those squares to Mars being a red flag, me and my ex had mars sq neptune and venus conjunct neptune in the composite. I certainly wish I had known what was coming back then. But of course I wouldn't have my two beautiful kids so I guess it wasn't all that bad.

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posted October 27, 2014 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by babybull82:
I mean who say he necessarily has to be the one deceiving. Maybe there is something I am doing that could be perceived as deceit on his end. I will admit that I'm not taking it as seriously as he may be just by some of the things I've heard him say. I'm just kinda going with the flow at this point.

Absolutely! i have one of these "deception" aspects. And it turns out that he thought I was being deceptive and evasive, when really, I just thought it wasn't quite the time to talk about the issue that came up. I would have gotten to it eventually! But yes. Either of the two could be being deceptive or either of the two could perceive the other as deceptive. Or both!

Enjoy it while you enjoy it. Keep your eyes open. And see what happens.

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posted October 27, 2014 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Absolutely! i have one of these "deception" aspects. And it turns out that he thought I was being deceptive and evasive, when really, I just thought it wasn't quite the time to talk about the issue that came up. I would have gotten to it eventually! But yes. Either of the two could be being deceptive or either of the two could perceive the other as deceptive. Or both!

Enjoy it while you enjoy it. Keep your eyes open. And see what happens.


That's what I intend to do. Thank you!

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posted October 27, 2014 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check the progressions as well.

Normally, I'd be with you 100% and saying, 'whoa! Slow your roll there, chickadee!' But the truth is, you're both through your first Saturn Returns, and I've noticed this CAN make a difference in CHIRON relationships.

Ami Anne swears that they bond too quickly and build to a point at which they explode -- usually over something minor. Check PHOLUS links for that, too.

I honestly have PHOLUS right on my Guardian's CHIRON. It's had a curious effect. Over 4 years, he has slowly come to see how he could make crucial changes at the fundamental level of his identity, with my guidance. I never pushed. I never even said 'I think you should consider X.' I was frankly very surprised, after 3 years, finding that he, of his own volition, had determined it was time to reexamine some things. In his case, reevaluating certain nonnegotiable principles to which he adhered without question.

Maybe it actually takes PHOLUS to incite change after such a long, hardened period of stasis. 45 years. That's a long time.

While we don't have the sort of CHIRON aspects you do, the ones we do have certainly created the sort of relationship which has these strong CHIRON elements. It may be my natal CHIRON/PREY, and the way his TISIPHONE/HADES conjuncts it, opening a very deep wound, and forcing changes on both sides. I think, were we younger, and hadn't developed the level of emotional maturity which encourages us to persevere during the hardest times, the 'minor event leads to major dissolution' might have taken place.

Conversely, that DID happen with my Twin. Despite the long distance, 8 years -- 5 of them in which we were in constant contact of some form -- is a testament to the strength of our composite and synastry, even if it's not the best synastry. Fundamentally, we HAVE changed each other.

But he wasn't ready for the intense healing. He would alternately tell me how nobody could get away with him the things that I do -- pointing out this or that, or making him confront X or Y. And he wasn't really sure how he felt about it. Ultimately, we both realised we wanted more than the long distance could ever provide us -- and neither wanted to upheave their lives in order to make it happen.

Not to be Debbie Downer, but since 17 January 2013, it pretty much all blew apart, and has never FULLY come back together. We've seen each other -- once -- since then. He was surprisingly insistent (last May). It was like old times. Wonderful. I almost think it was TOO wonderful. Sometimes it's easier to be cruel and privately demonise someone so that you don't have to face the truth: that you love them.

My best advice is, keep your wits about you. This COULD be a real thing. But it's got to be approached with the same caution in which you'd treat any relationship. By allowing time for real growth -- rather than the sort of crash courses in intimacy in which we love to enroll those few who somehow end up getting promoted to the front of the queue -- you'll KNOW it's progressing in its proper time, and more likely to handle the hard knocks when they hit.

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