posted October 28, 2014 10:45 AM            

And by that I mean aspects that almost cause some form of self-sabotage in your close relationships, whereby you push people away or they retreat from you.

For me I would think Venus square Pluto is one. Some people just can't handle the intensity. You're almost your own worst enemy because you're SO suspicious and therefore seem a little "crazy."

posted October 28, 2014 02:43 PM            

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moon opp. uranus. you take forever to get in a relationship because trust doesn't come easily and then you want right out because they are hampering your freedom.

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posted October 28, 2014 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
moon opp. uranus. you take forever to get in a relationship because trust doesn't come easily and then you want right out because they are hampering your freedom.

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I would even say Moon/Uranus Conj. I know someone who has this, and he has only had 1 actual girlfriend in his 29 years of life. He is also a Sagg Moon, so that makes the desire to just be free even stronger!

posted October 28, 2014 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
I would even say Moon/Uranus Conj. I know someone who has this, and he has only had 1 actual girlfriend in his 29 years of life. He is also a Sagg Moon, so that makes the desire to just be free even stronger!

This also happens in his 5th, so he is always wanting to flirt and play, but rarely does he want to make things serious. Once it gets serious ZOOM he's gone!

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I think this depends on the moon sign. Plus my generation has neptune-uranus conjunct. From 1988-1990, saturn also conjunct.

posted October 28, 2014 03:18 PM            

With the Moon being such a pivotal core element in synastry, Uranus is right there in ALL his lunar synastry aspects, so it gives his Moon that Uranian flare. However, for everyone there is that someone who happens to fit our charts in just the right way

With his Moon/Uranus conj, he is finding emotional security in being independent. He desires a very unconventional soul connection.

I agree, it's so hard to pick out exact aspects, the whole chart should always be considered, but this aspect in particular I have seen work against him his whole life. He is a Cancer Asc, so the Moon plays a very big role in his life.

posted October 28, 2014 03:24 PM            

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Well I guess the reason I mentioned the conj is that, because anything his Moon touches in Synastry, it's also touching freedom loving Uranus. Uranus in Synastry, just from my experience, is generally a hard aspect to deal with because it craves freedom so much. But, like all things, it can work!

With the Moon being such a pivotal core element in synastry, Uranus is right there in ALL his lunar synastry aspects, so it gives his Moon that Uranian flare. However, for everyone there is that someone who happens to fit our charts in just the right way

With his Moon/Uranus conj, he is finding emotional security in being independent. He desires a very unconventional soul connection.

I agree, it's so hard to pick out exact aspects, the whole chart should always be considered, but this aspect in particular I have seen work against him his whole life. He is a Cancer Asc, so the Moon plays a very big role in his life.

With you mentioning the moon sign, I would be interested to see how a Uranus conj Taurus Moon would be, since a Taurus Moon really wants to stick & hunker down, and Uranus gives it this "break the traditional mold" kind of energy. Hmm.....

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posted October 28, 2014 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
moon opp. uranus. you take forever to get in a relationship because trust doesn't come easily and then you want right out because they are hampering your freedom.

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I always wonder about the "freedom" speech of Uranians. I assume you have this aspect, so I'm curious:

Freedom to do what?

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posted October 28, 2014 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I always wonder about the "freedom" speech of Uranians. I assume you have this aspect, so I'm curious:

Freedom do to what?

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Honestly, Lee? If we're not bed-hopping, I suspect it's because we're on the asexuality spectrum. We want the freedom to say 'NO, I DON'T want to sleep with you (right now),' and not feel like a terrible person. Love and sex are fickle bedfellows for an asexual (or greysexual, as I'm slowly becoming with self-work and evolution).

For a sexual, love is often shown through sex, or even intense physical bonding. Yeah. We can only handle so much of that before it literally feels like we have to peel your hands off of us and get a foot of distance.

I knew I could actually marry my husband when, the first night we slept together (and yes, I mean actual sleeping -- which was NOT the first night we had sex; and, I admit it; I knew I'd be RIGHT out of the running if I didn't --- long story; it wasn't a pressuring thing; I was the one pressuring MYSELF to 'be normal' and 'just do it') -- but the point is, he put his arm over me, as we slept beside each other -- and it felt ... nice. Genuinely nice. I felt ... safe.

THAT was new.

And, here we go. 7 years, and that's the nightly ritual. Pretty big step for a MOON-URA.

posted October 28, 2014 05:54 PM            

What I'm trying to say is there's a difference between feeling you're gonna die if someone ditches you vs. feeling everyone is replaceable, being alone and being together is the same etc.

In fact, to me it seems that as we learn astrology, we understand no one is replaceable, everything is unique, there is a complicated alignment of planets and thousands or maybe millions of years for an event, a person, a relationship to happen.

On the other hand, we can't be together AND alone at the same time, it's an illusion, once you're connected to someone (such as in living with them) you're connected with invisible threads with that person in everything, your thoughts etc even if you're thousands of miles apart. But again, if someone wants to be alone, not connected with anyone, someone can stay single or disconnected lol but wanting both at the same time is just illusionary, me thinks. Why fooling ourselves?

posted October 28, 2014 05:56 PM            

And then moon in hard aspect to uranus... I have moon square uranus myself, but in a relationship now lol....so ofc I hope we will figure it out But I am really hot and cold all the time, and my boyfriend got venus square uranus himself, so thats not any better. I need something special, very special to function in a relationship for good....

posted October 28, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Honestly, Lee? If we're not bed-hopping, I suspect it's because we're on the asexuality spectrum. We want the freedom to say 'NO, I DON'T want to sleep with you (right now),' and not feel like a terrible person. Love and sex are fickle bedfellows for an asexual (or greysexual, as I'm slowly becoming with self-work and evolution).

For a sexual, love is often shown through sex, or even intense physical bonding. Yeah. We can only handle so much of that before it literally feels like we have to peel your hands off of us and get a foot of distance.

I knew I could actually marry my husband when, the first night we slept together (and yes, I mean actual sleeping -- which was NOT the first night we had sex; and, I admit it; I knew I'd be RIGHT out of the running if I didn't --- long story; it wasn't a pressuring thing; I was the one pressuring MYSELF to 'be normal' and 'just do it') -- but the point is, he put his arm over me, as we slept beside each other -- and it felt ... nice. Genuinely nice. I felt ... safe.

THAT was new.

And, here we go. 7 years, and that's the nightly ritual. Pretty big step for a MOON-URA.

But I've become MUCH happier since I've come clean with being asexual. Much, MUCH happier.

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Yeah, but this has nothing to do with this "freedom" stuff, it's about finding the right person, who understands and accepts who you are. And I congratulate you for acknowledging to yourself and others how you are

The point is, and I'm not talking about you right now, just the topic, freedom is not doing what you want when you want, coming and going as you please etc. that's individualism, selfishness etc. Since we live in a community and/or a couple, none of us is absolutely "free" or by themselves, there's always a give and take, a compromise, we can't take from the diad or the combo only what suits us at a moment or other: we take the whole package, that's how it works, and the package is, unless someone wants to live alone on the Moon, disconnected from everything and everyone, that someone is never entirely "free" and by himself, it's an invisible and visible net between us all all the time, especially in a couple. Everything one does or thinks and feels, it impacts the other.

posted October 28, 2014 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
moon opp. uranus. you take forever to get in a relationship because trust doesn't come easily and then you want right out because they are hampering your freedom.

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posted October 28, 2014 06:36 PM            

I've prominent Uranus & sag moon but also have always sought to be effectively possessed (some other aspect or Uranus opposition has me limiting myself) so even if there's complete freedom in a relationship I feel very much between those two drives, that they can't co-star in a relfationship

posted October 28, 2014 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yeah, but this has nothing to do with this "freedom" stuff, it's about finding the right person, who understands and accepts who you are. And I congratulate you for acknowledging to yourself and others how you are

The point is, and I'm not talking about you right now, just the topic, freedom is not doing what you want when you want, coming and going as you please etc. that's individualism, selfishness etc. Since we live in a community and/or a couple, none of us is absolutely "free" or by themselves, there's always a give and take, a compromise, we can't take from the diad or the combo only what suits us at a moment or other: we take the whole package, that's how it works, and the package is, unless someone wants to live alone on the Moon, disconnected from everything and everyone, that someone is never entirely "free" and by himself, it's an invisible and visible net between us all all the time, especially in a couple. Everything one does or thinks and feels, it impacts the other.

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posted October 28, 2014 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Leeloo..Choice. Whilst an uranian might not want to go out and chat to random people or flirt, the potential of that still exists. In a relationship people ask questions even if they don't impose rules.

I've prominent Uranus & sag moon but also have always sought to be effectively possessed (some other aspect or Uranus opposition has me limiting myself) so even if there's complete freedom in a relationship I feel very much between those two drives, that they can't co-star in a relfationship

Btw I completely don't want to be alone or protect my freedom to an extreme - but along the way this is how I've felt out those energies in me beneath

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THIS. Yes. I get this 100%.

The relationship with my husband is entirely different than the one with my partner. It's as if I am expressing different, even separate, drives. It's as if I have to maintain a certain distance (be it sexual or emotional) in the context of commitment. And I'm more likely to explore intimacy in a NON-committed situation -- except I rarely bother.

posted October 28, 2014 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
Well I guess the reason I mentioned the conj is that, because anything his Moon touches in Synastry, it's also touching freedom loving Uranus. Uranus in Synastry, just from my experience, is generally a hard aspect to deal with because it craves freedom so much. But, like all things, it can work!

With the Moon being such a pivotal core element in synastry, Uranus is right there in ALL his lunar synastry aspects, so it gives his Moon that Uranian flare. However, for everyone there is that someone who happens to fit our charts in just the right way

With his Moon/Uranus conj, he is finding emotional security in being independent. He desires a very unconventional soul connection.

I agree, it's so hard to pick out exact aspects, the whole chart should always be considered, but this aspect in particular I have seen work against him his whole life. He is a Cancer Asc, so the Moon plays a very big role in his life.

With you mentioning the moon sign, I would be interested to see how a Uranus conj Taurus Moon would be, since a Taurus Moon really wants to stick & hunker down, and Uranus gives it this "break the traditional mold" kind of energy. Hmm.....

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a lot of what you mentioned is accurate. i don't have a Taurus moon, but i have an earth moon and it still doesn't want to settle down. as someone said, uranian freedom isn't about wanting to see others or jump from relationship to relationship. it's a really bad internal war where you want to find a partner and feel 'settled,' but then you just can't imagine yourself settling down. that might mean something different for everyone, perhaps it could mean they don't want to stop bed-hopping. for me, i just can't imagine any 'traditional' aspects to the relationship, like kids, marriage, living together, etc. it is TERRIFYING. and yet, i want it so bad. so i go seek it, find a man who i stay with for a while, and then rebel when it gets serious. which, is usually a year in, so i lose a lot of time with this pattern.

posted October 28, 2014 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
a lot of what you mentioned is accurate. i don't have a Taurus moon, but i have an earth moon and it still doesn't want to settle down. as someone said, uranian freedom isn't about wanting to see others or jump from relationship to relationship. it's a really bad internal war where you want to find a partner and feel 'settled,' but then you just can't imagine yourself settling down. that might mean something different for everyone, perhaps it could mean they don't want to stop bed-hopping. for me, i just can't imagine any 'traditional' aspects to the relationship, like kids, marriage, living together, etc. it is TERRIFYING. and yet, i want it so bad. so i go seek it, find a man who i stay with for a while, and then rebel when it gets serious. which, is usually a year in, so i lose a lot of time with this pattern.

not sure what becomes of people with this aspect. i have come upon partners that were great matches but i just don't see how someone with uranus touching the moon can ever find peace! i date mainly aqua placements and then get mad when they won't settle down, because i see myself in them. maybe uranus opp/square/conj. moon just creates romantic craziness, and it's worse if you have it in aqua planets or, perhaps, 11th house.

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I agree, and I'm glad you could resonate with what I wrote!! I have Uranus transiting my 7th house right now and it has been really hard on my marriage at times. When Uranus hit my 7th House cusp, I actually was going to divorce my husband, but we stuck it out and I'm glad we did.

The Moon is also about our instincts. Our instinctual reactions and our basic needs. Any kind of Uranus contact (Conjunction, Opposition, Trine, Square) in relationship with the moon is going to be connecting "independent freedom seeking forward generating" energy with "emotions, instinctual reactions, basic needs, what makes us feel secure, etc" - Whether that is a harder aspect, easier aspect, or whatever, it's combining those energies.

If you look at what Uranus wants: Independence, Freedom, you can easily see what it doesn't want: Co-dependency and restriction. The fear would be a fear of clingy, needy, restricting, suppressing, rules, kind of stuff.

I would say the fear is less, a fear of being abandoned and more a fear that someone is going to become co-dependent. Suddenly their independence is gone. Now this person who was free to do whatever it is they instinctually want to do (the Moon placement is going to effect this), now they can't, they are restricted. The area in which this person craves independence or what "freedom/independence" looks like to them is going to differ from chart to chart.

The opposition creates an opportunity to balance - a swing between the two planets that, if balanced adequately can make a unique Moon. Squares will both want the same thing because they are falling within the same modality, however the means by attaining that thing may not be in sync, like they aren't on the same page but their in the same chapter of the book. Because the Moon is incredibly receptive, I would say a planet like Uranus forming a very tight conjunction would funnel a lot of Uranian energy into that Moon. The Moon is going to suck that up.

So say you have a Virgo Moon conjunct Uranus. Virgo is going to be practical, analytical, dutiful with it's emotions. Uranus will create a desire for the freedom and independence to "instinctually respond" in that way.

Uranus is extremely unconventional, Uranus wants to be unique in it's own - AUTHENTICITY and the freedom to be authentic finds it's home in Uranus. I have a friend who has Uranus conjunct her 7th House Cusp natally and an Aquarius Moon. She is getting married, but absolutely refused to do so unless the wedding and every single element was completely unique to her and her fiance. Now with her Taurus Asc, this was a very grounded, nature based, mountain retreat, totally eclectic wedding. However, until each and every element was in place she was not having it. Her Leo Sun warms her up a lot and I just adore the ba-jesus out of her, honestly the girl is my favorite person!!

Uranus/Moon needs the exact unique blend, and honestly maybe that is persmission to just NOT have to BE a certain WAY in relationships. Just to be who they are, take them or leave them. But Uranus must understand that the Moon has needs, it is the planet that rules "needs". FIERCE independence often doesn't quite fare well in relationships because we're moving from a framework of "i do what i want how I want it" (which is not bad!!) to "I do what I want and what also serves the relationship as a whole". This can create issues at times.

posted October 28, 2014 09:18 PM            

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posted October 28, 2014 09:58 PM            

Yeugh!

Nonetheless, if someone wants to be along for that ride, they need to be willing to stick around for awhile. (Maybe not forever -- I'm realistic -- but awhile. Until lessons are learnt and important changes made or big things accomplished.)

So, the more secure that I felt, the less sexual I was. Weird, huh? You'd think it'd be in the reverse. Granted, if the shields are going up for whatever reason -- then sexual intimacy will NOT be happening. Period, paragraph. But it was before that moment of panic leading to a shutdown and contemplation of cutting losses and retreating, (MOON/URA, yo; we don't call you a hundred thousand times and demand to know what you're doing and cling to you if feeling insecure; we're just gone -- either ACTUALLY gone, or just emotionally absent, or physically unavailable) it was beforehand that I realised the fact I was feeling LESS, rather than MORE sexual. And I wondered: huh. What's up with that?

I have some dysfunctional wiring in my brain which equates sexuality and security, which I'm REALLY trying to sort out. At least I'm beyond the days of sexually prostrating myself before my good-for-nothing boyfriend because 'he's thinking of leaving me'. (God, somebody slap 24-year-old me with a tunafish, please!) But that means I also haven't yet developed the 'intimacy-can-also-equal-sexuality' node, either.

posted October 28, 2014 09:58 PM            

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True for me. My s.o has moon/venus/mars square uranus to match my uranus placements and we're happy. He once said "you can open the door if you want". I like that.

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posted October 28, 2014 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:

I agree, and I'm glad you could resonate with what I wrote!! I have Uranus transiting my 7th house right now and it has been really hard on my marriage at times. When Uranus hit my 7th House cusp, I actually was going to divorce my husband, but we stuck it out and I'm glad we did.

The Moon is also about our instincts. Our instinctual reactions and our basic needs. Any kind of Uranus contact (Conjunction, Opposition, Trine, Square) in relationship with the moon is going to be connecting "independent freedom seeking forward generating" energy with "emotions, instinctual reactions, basic needs, what makes us feel secure, etc" - Whether that is a harder aspect, easier aspect, or whatever, it's combining those energies.

If you look at what Uranus wants: Independence, Freedom, you can easily see what it doesn't want: Co-dependency and restriction. The fear would be a fear of clingy, needy, restricting, suppressing, rules, kind of stuff.

I would say the fear is less, a fear of being abandoned and more a fear that someone is going to become co-dependent. Suddenly their independence is gone. Now this person who was free to do whatever it is they instinctually want to do (the Moon placement is going to effect this), now they can't, they are restricted. The area in which this person craves independence or what "freedom/independence" looks like to them is going to differ from chart to chart.

The opposition creates an opportunity to balance - a swing between the two planets that, if balanced adequately can make a unique Moon. Squares will both want the same thing because they are falling within the same modality, however the means by attaining that thing may not be in sync, like they aren't on the same page but their in the same chapter of the book. Because the Moon is incredibly receptive, I would say a planet like Uranus forming a very tight conjunction would funnel a lot of Uranian energy into that Moon. The Moon is going to suck that up.

So say you have a Virgo Moon conjunct Uranus. Virgo is going to be practical, analytical, dutiful with it's emotions. Uranus will create a desire for the freedom and independence to "instinctually respond" in that way.

Uranus is extremely unconventional, Uranus wants to be unique in it's own - AUTHENTICITY and the freedom to be authentic finds it's home in Uranus. I have a friend who has Uranus conjunct her 7th House Cusp natally and an Aquarius Moon. She is getting married, but absolutely refused to do so unless the wedding and every single element was completely unique to her and her fiance. Now with her Taurus Asc, this was a very grounded, nature based, mountain retreat, totally eclectic wedding. However, until each and every element was in place she was not having it. Her Leo Sun warms her up a lot and I just adore the ba-jesus out of her, honestly the girl is my favorite person!!

Uranus/Moon needs the exact unique blend, and honestly maybe that is persmission to just NOT have to BE a certain WAY in relationships. Just to be who they are, take them or leave them. But Uranus must understand that the Moon has needs, it is the planet that rules "needs". FIERCE independence often doesn't quite fare well in relationships because we're moving from a framework of "i do what i want how I want it" (which is not bad!!) to "I do what I want and what also serves the relationship as a whole". This can create issues at times.

Uranus is also forward thinking, somewhere over the rainbow. That can also be hard for relationships because often Uranus is on to the next thing, while the Moon is going "but wait I needed that!"

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