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Topic: Saturn transits and Neptunes in Sag and engagement
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twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 02:22 PM
Both my partner and I have neptune in Sag in our natal charts (him 8th house, me 5th). We also have composite Neptune (7th house) and composite Sun (6th house) in Sag.....Any ideas how this will play out?Also next year my solar arc Neptune will square my natal Venus (Libra) and my transiting Jupiter (in Leo) will oppose my sun/moon midpoint (28 degrees Aquarius). I know that Neptune is associated with dreams and illusions but could this be a time where I get engaged? Thanks
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 02:56 PM
NEPTUNE square VENUS? ... That's ... actually not a great transit. Not to freak you out, but that can actually indicate separations due to deception or even infidelity. I'm sorry! I like your charts! I feel good about you two! But I feel I SHOULD be honest, too. Don't let that colour your perception -- but, be aware. These things happen for a reason. Maybe we're having this conversation now for that reason.What house does VENUS rule? Typically, progressions indicate engagement. Check your Marriage Years. If you're both having a Marriage Year, or you're having one, he's just finished one, or is beginning one -- that's a lock. My relationship with my husband began when I started a Marriage Year (progression to natal). It was hilarious, as I'd just broken up with my boyfriend. I was thinking, WHAT? I have a MARRIAGE YEAR? Four months later, my now husband contacts me out of the blue, and we started dating a month later. The following year, engaged. The year after that, married. Hard SATURN transits can often indicate a break or separation, too. Soft ones might be a greater commitment. IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 03:19 PM
Yup neptune square venus. My venus is in libra.I haven't even heard of marriage years, how do I check it? I have no idea how to read progression charts. Could the netpune square venus mean something else? Who is likely to cheat on who if it happened? Infidelity is one thing that I can't handle. I also have a transiting pluto square natal venus in 2021, and then pluto moving into my 7th house in 2024. Not exactly sure what that means but google says it's not good Le sigh IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 03:31 PM
PLUTO transiting 7H does tend to overhaul our entire perception of relationships. Naturally, aspects tPLUTO is making as it does so becomes important to consider. Square nVENUS continues the theme of reinventing our ideas of love and commitment -- as well as possessiveness; issues of control, jealousy, and power come into play.Here's a bit on tNEP square nVENUS: http://www.thefutureminders.com/Neptune-transits/neptune-square-venus.cfm We run the greatest risk of being in a relationship with someone deceptive, or who just isn't who we think they are. tNEPTUNE square nVENUS often asks us to reevaluate our IDEA and CONCEPT of a relationship -- to accept the realities of it, rather than just the beautiful fantasy for which we might be longing. In other words, the reality. I would never marry with tNEP square nVENUS. You'd set yourself up for disappointment. Wait until it passes. See how you feel AFTER. IP: Logged |
moonstruck87 Knowflake Posts: 1817 From: USA Registered: Mar 2011
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posted October 28, 2014 03:37 PM
how does one determine their marriage years?very very intriguing thread IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 03:38 PM
This is not how I would read a Venus/Neptune square.Folks, squares are not malefic aspects and Neptune is not a malefic planet There are no malefic planets and malefic aspects. Squares bring a turning point when: - what is invisible, intangible becomes visible, tangible - what was thought or word, now has to become action - external events All squares in a natal chart show the areas in which a person needs to do PRACTICAL things. That's all. The tension they bring forces you to do that: you can't solve a square unless you do something practical, tangible about it. What can be greater than that for human evolution? I have a Venus sq Neptune in my natal (1) which drives me to bring whatever Venus/Neptune means (and think what it means: ultimate beauty and love) into tangible form. And if I don't do it, it kicks my butt, to remind me what I'm here for. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 03:38 PM
It all just seems ominous. By the time that transit hits we will have been together for over a year and a half so it's not like we are starting a relationship then...transit happens from May 2015 - Apr 2016. I really hope it has nothing to do with infidelity.What about getting engaged in that time? IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 03:46 PM
I was also told that composite Neptune on 7th house cusp can indicate deception, and because his birth time may be 10 min off, composite venus/uranus would be in the 5th house....I'm trying to learn all I can but there is just so much information and different interpretations
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 03:53 PM
twinflame, do you FEEL this man is a possible cheater? does he behave like one? Is he a flirt, a player etc?Because astrology cannot answer this question for you. You cannot use astrology to read your future. I'm sorry, it sounds antagonistic, but that's how things are, IMO. We cannot use astrology to decide if we want or not to be with someone, it cannot offer you the trust you don't feel in your heart, it cannot dissipate your personal insecurities. That's a NO. ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 04:02 PM
That's the thing, I DON'T feel like he is a cheater....at all. I have a trust for him that I haven't had with very many people. I do want a life with him. I am ready to settle down but there are some things I need to work through first.Astrology has been pretty accurate with my past relationships and I just want to have an idea of what to anticipate IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 04:09 PM
Yes, composite Neptune on the 7th house can mean deception. Neptune anywhere in the composite can mean deception. It can also mean the best, most romantic relationship of all times, your twinflame. I'm just curious, if you meet an astrologer who tells you Neptune can also mean deception, Venus can also mean cheating, Mars can also mean violence, Pluto can also mean death, Saturn can also mean breakup, Mercury can also mean cheating, Jupiter can also mean cheating, Uranus can also mean separation and cheating, does this influence your decisions regarding this relationship?------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 04:19 PM
No. I want to be with him. If I didn't than I would have broken up with him. Right now being with him feels right. We have mars square moon in composite and I haven't seen any aggression. We fight, yes, but it's not super intense....some of our so called 'difficult' aspects haven't played out the way some astrologers predict. I struggle with relationships and I don't want to have to go through another toxic one. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 04:24 PM
I can understand that.Could you post your natal chart? Probably the answer to your struggles is in there ------------------
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 04:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: This is not how I would read a Venus/Neptune square.Folks, squares are not malefic aspects and Neptune is not a malefic planet There are no malefic planets and malefic aspects. Squares bring a turning point when: - what is invisible, intangible becomes visible, tangible - what was thought or word, now has to become action - external events All squares in a natal chart show the areas in which a person needs to do PRACTICAL things. That's all. The tension they bring forces you to do that: you can't solve a square unless you do something practical, tangible about it. What can be greater than that for human evolution? I have a Venus sq Neptune in my natal (1) which drives me to bring whatever Venus/Neptune means (and think what it means: ultimate beauty and love) into tangible form. And if I don't do it, it kicks my butt, to remind me what I'm here for.
nVENUS square nNEPTUNE is ENTIRELY different from a tNEPTUNE transit; especially if it's squaring a personal point such as VENUS. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 05:01 PM
Personally, I would NOT marry during a tNEP square my nVENUS.I married during a NEPTUNE transit. Oh, the hell my husband and I could've saved each other had we waited a few years. But, hey, sometimes things happen as they do. You mature and grow together, or you blame each other and break apart. At any rate, it is some SERIOUS testing. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 05:04 PM
It can also mean a dream come true, Auby. And a fairytale wedding.Anyway, I don't think it's a transit. I thought it was her solar arc sq her natal Venus or something. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 05:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: It can also mean a dream come true, Auby. And a fairytale wedding.Anyway, I don't think it's a transit. I thought it was her solar arc sq her natal Venus or something.
pNEP (or arc) can also have a similar implication. I've NEVER seen a transit or progressed (or arc) square indicate a 'faerie tale wedding' or a dream come true. Quite the opposite. I'd check any noticeable retrogrades, too. Something tells me ... you're missing something. I DO like this guy. I like your charts. I think a LOT can prove very strong between the two of you. Just not ... yet. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 1146 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 28, 2014 05:27 PM
So, I married with SA-NEP square my pVENUS, and my nSUN, exactly.I'd say the influence can be complicated -- if you're pVENUS. I'm not sure, nVENUS. But I'd expect complications. Things you didn't realise at first. A hard period of disappointment, and wondering if you made the right decision. Turns out, in my personal experience, most of my relationships in which there was disappointment (and deception) involved NEP square VENUS energy in some capacity. It's just important to be AWARE. IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 06:02 PM
Will have to post mine laterHis Natal [IMG]http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astro_2gw_02_m7 906022553_zpsf8bb78aa.gif[/IMG] Thanks IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 29, 2014 10:00 AM
Here is my natal chart. I posted the wrong one yesterday and wasn't at a computer to fix it. [IMG]http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astro_2gw_01_t7 889213149_zps1ab5b300.gif[/IMG]
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 29, 2014 10:12 AM
I think your problems come from the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in the 3rd house (house of the mind) with Jupiter and Saturn both rulers of the 6th - this gives you a tendency to worry a lot and ruminate on things and makes you a bit of a control freak as they say. You also fear to fully enjoy something, there's always some pessimistic view at the back of your mind. The tension of this configuration builds up and it is probably followed by sudden decisions or actions which are not exactly based on a healthy process; this whole manner in which your mind works may even cause you health problems, such as depression or psychosomatic disorders. You must give this up now, IMO. That's because I can see in your chart your life will take an unexpected turn at some point and the universe challenges you to get rid of this mental process by facing you with change. I advise you to learn to enjoy the moment only because your future is as unpredictable as they come. Your lesson seems to be to learn to fully enjoy the moment and trust the flow of your life.I hope you understand there's nothing negative in what I said Every life is a story. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 29, 2014 11:27 AM
YES!!!! that sounds exactly like me. I just had my Saturn return a few years ago....I'm sure you could just imagine how well that went over!This is something that I have been consciously aware of and working on for some time. " I can see in your chart your life will take an unexpected turn at some point and the universe challenges you to get rid of this mental process by facing you with change." What in my chart indicates this? And the unpredictableness? But that doesn't have to be negative right? My partner and I have discussed moving across country, and also having a life where we travel and volunteer....could this account for the Uranus energy and unpredicatbleness of my life? It's never a dull moment with me.... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 7420 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 29, 2014 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by twinflame1914:
What in my chart indicates this? And the unpredictableness? But that doesn't have to be negative right? My partner and I have discussed moving across country, and also having a life where we travel and volunteer....could this account for the Uranus energy and unpredicatbleness of my life? It's never a dull moment with me....
Absolutely This could account for what I see in there! And no, not negative. Bon voyage! ------------------
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twinflame1914 Knowflake Posts: 212 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted October 29, 2014 11:58 AM
So we aren't doomed? Most of the issues stem from my over-analyzing?Still not thrilled with this transit coming up tho. But not all tNeptune square nVenus end up in break-ups right? Thanks for taking the time to respond to all my messages IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1200 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 29, 2014 03:10 PM
I was just going to go back and see if my marriage happened to break up during a tNep sq nVenus. And well, I won't have this transit until 2016, which also happens to be a "marriage potential year" according to some of the marriage year theories. So, maybe I'll meet my prince charming then? Did you calculate a potential marriage year for you? I don't remember where I found the marriage year info. So maybe someone with more knowledge can remind up how to calculate that. IP: Logged |