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Pretty Theft
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posted November 06, 2014 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been looking at soul mate indicators and I'm also researching composite charts. This is probably the most intense relationship I have been in, with a composite 8th house stellium, and I've never had so many synastry conjunctions in my life with someone.

I feel like a fish on a hook sometimes. Based on the information in the chart, do you think he feels the same way? We have some Neptune mucking things up which makes it hard for me to see straight, and his Mercury and Jupiter are in my 12th house. I don't trust him completely. I don't like not trusting him, and it's making me neurotic. I would trust him more if I thought he was as hooked as I was. Do you see how ****** up this 8th house stuff is?

If you've been in an 8th house relationship, how did you feel?

Check out those north/south node conjunctions and the Chiron conjunction, too. His sun is directly on my Ascendant to the degree.

** Note: I am the Leo, he is the Aquarius **

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todd
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posted November 06, 2014 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi pretty theft

it is very intense as you've said as there is a tsquare with juno square to the venus/Uranus opposition. there impulse with a strong juno is for partnership. the moon/venus midpoint is opposed to the mercury/Uranus midpoints with the nodal axis running thru them . this gives the intense psychic/sexual connection. the nodal energy has you thinking soulmates because of the intensity and also because there have been so many coincidences or "messages in the relationship'
but your misgivings of being a piece of meat are well taken as mars square to Pluto shows that carnal gratification is his primary aim , in spite of the psychic aura around you and him.the grand trine of Jupiter ,juno and the moon is quite favorable and indicative or marriage. but even grand trines can be negated by harsh square such as the mars/pluto square.
with Neptune square the vertex and the vertex exactly conjunct the ascendant axis, it does seem a soulmate or past life connection could be indicated. this aspect greatly increases the psychic phenomena around the relationship and in fact visions and dreams coulds occur to you about the future of the relationship.

but these dynamics, psychologically can bring deceit into the mix. Neptune's influence can show you are of different cultural or religious heritages.
the mars/Uranus octile suggest he chafes a from a singular relationship. his is a mark of independence.
with the mars/pluto midpoint square to juno and conjunct to Uranus, I think any mention of exclusivity between you will drive him away.

this seems a hot hookup but it is more indicative of a good friendship or educational/professional connection. as an intimate affair, it would be short lived.

todd

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LovelyKitty
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posted November 07, 2014 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to share my 8th H relationship .
I had three person each moons /venus /mars fall in my 8th before , it's so deep and explode everythings in it . Just only one personal planets in 8th has a deep impact in your relationship . His planet touched my deepest desire , I feel my conscious reside in 8th H .

My pluto, sun, saturn, mercury ,mars , uranus are in 8th H of my current BF . He is stellium Aqua ,aries venus, saggi Moon , do you see how freedom he is? We stick together for 7th years the 8th relationship is very karmic and touch your deepest heart .

Imho , When many planets in8th , it bind you so deep than 4th,12th or any saturn contact.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 07, 2014 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deeply cathartic. Plus, you have the same 8H/5H overlay we do. Damn, is that sexually intense. It'll change you. The whole thing will transform you in unforeseen ways. You won't be the same. Period.

If you have any 12H overlays as well (which I think you mentioned?) it only furthers the delving and dredging. Deep into the subconscious.

His MOON, EROS, BML, NYMPHE and SATURN are in my 8H conjunct my PRIAPUS and PALLAS.

My TISIPHONE, LACHESIS, NYMPHE, SAPPHO, NESSUS are in his 8H, conjunct his MERC and SUN.

My MOON, URA and MARS are in his 12H; his VENUS, JUPITER and KARMA are in mine.

In composite, we've got a NNODE-ATROPOS in c8H.

Very, very powerful stuff.

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Pretty Theft
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posted November 08, 2014 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

His MOON, EROS, BML, NYMPHE and SATURN are in my 8H conjunct my PRIAPUS and PALLAS.

My TISIPHONE, LACHESIS, NYMPHE, SAPPHO, NESSUS are in his 8H, conjunct his MERC and SUN.

My MOON, URA and MARS are in his 12H; his VENUS, JUPITER and KARMA are in mine.

In composite, we've got a NNODE-ATROPOS in c8H.

Very, very powerful stuff.[/B]


Thank you for this! Can you explain your reliance on asteroids? I generally don't put much stock in them and try to focus in the 10 planets, as well as the moon nodes. I also don't pay much attention to the minor aspects, other than inconjunct aspects.

My boyfriend has his Mercury and Jupiter in my 12th house. He dreams of me and I dream of him ...

We've been together since January. I met his parents on Easter and his parents met my dad in early June ... what I would really like to know is, why this feels so ******* fated. To be honest, it scares me because I got out of a 7 year relationship and was not expecting to meet anyone important this fast.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 08, 2014 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, lemme break that down.

I've been doing astrology for 25 years. I studied under Martha Lang-Wescott in the '90s when she first began delving into asteroids. Prior to that, with Zane Stein, who taught me the Centaurs. I've had a passing flirtation with the skyrocks. I began thoroughly testing and exploring them, however, in the past 5 years. It's been deeply illuminating.

Just last year, I discovered an asteroid lurking around my CHIRON: PREY (6157). In a synastry, I have someone's TISIPHONE and HADES on top of them, within a degree; the TISIPHONE is conjunct 0º30. Interesting -- to say the least. But even more so when I saw that his SUN is smack on the LACHESIS/TISIPHONE MP. That, combined with his SATURN in my 8H, and conjunct his drTISIPHONE (Draconic TISIPHONE) began to paint a very curious portrait.

These days, I don't discount asteroid involvement.

But I HAVE been doing this for awhile. I'd never recommend it starting out. But whenever I'm reading, I include all configured points -- these may be asteroids, TNP / Uranians, the 'fated' points (VERTICES) or lunar / subconscious axis: BML / PRIAPUS. I haven't quite gotten into the EP or Equatorial Ascendant. But I use Midpoints, Arabic Parts, Fixed Stars, Sabians, Draconic system, Harmonics, Personae, as well as a system of my own in its infancy with the working title 'multidimensional system'. (It's gonna take some work.)

In short, I test everything. What I find holds real weight, after thorough testing, I keep.

Now. As to why your relationship feels so fated? That's easy. IT IS! You've got one of the most fated links out there: your NODES overlay his ASC/DSC. Specifically, your NNODE conjunct his ASC; SNODE conjunct his DSC.

This is a strong tie. Marriages form around this tie because there's SO much karma to clear between the two of you, and you just might now have the ability to love each other through it. And with a SATURN/MARS, and his CHIRON on his ASC -- oh, yes. You're going to need it.

Any time I see close conjunctions configured with fated points or angular, that's where I start magnifying. That's when I want to start adding in asteroids; checking Draco. Midpoints. Looking at Persona charts.

Here's why.

Imagine you have a set of paints. The primary colours -- red, yellow, and blue -- are the planets. We can do a LOT. We can presumably make most anything, too. Green -- even teal -- with a little mixing. We can make purple, too. Sort of. It's more of a browny mauve. Not the greatest colour out there, and in no way pure. If we want a pure purple, we're going to have to acquire more supplies.

Secondary colour sets are typically orange, green, and purple. They're pure mixes, with 50/50 tint and hue, appropriately bright and clean. Comparatively, our mixed green is acceptable, but our pure green is preferable. We can do a bit more with it. And now -- now we have purple.

But what if we want to make lilac or lavender? Mint green? True navy?

Yeah. Can't do that.

And, lastly, we bring in black and white. These are heavy hitters. These are the things that lighten or darken a picture. We have to be ready to adjust with such extremes. But, when we're there, they're immensely helpful.

This is why I've gone beyond the planets. I need the texture. I need purple and navy and lavender. Black and white. I need dimension and shape and clarity.

They all bring me clarity, when used well.

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Pretty Theft
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posted November 08, 2014 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Imagine you have a set of paints. The primary colours -- red, yellow, and blue -- are the planets. We can do a LOT. We can presumably make most anything, too. Green -- even teal -- with a little mixing. We can make purple, too. Sort of. It's more of a browny mauve. Not the greatest colour out there, and in no way pure. If we want a pure purple, we're going to have to acquire more supplies.

Secondary colour sets are typically orange, green, and purple. They're pure mixes, with 50/50 tint and hue, appropriately bright and clean. Comparatively, our mixed green is acceptable, but our pure green is preferable. We can do a bit more with it. And now -- now we have purple.

But what if we want to make lilac or lavender? Mint green? True navy?

Yeah. Can't do that.

And, lastly, we bring in black and white. These are heavy hitters. These are the things that lighten or darken a picture. We have to be ready to adjust with such extremes. But, when we're there, they're immensely helpful.

This is why I've gone beyond the planets. I need the texture. I need purple and navy and lavender. Black and white. I need dimension and shape and clarity.

They all bring me clarity, when used well.


Love this response - thank you. I'm gonna check out my asteroids now.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 08, 2014 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
Love this response - thank you. I'm gonna check out my asteroids now.

I'm glad.

And, yes. Please do. Especially on that SATURN/MARS. I think if there's anything significant on those degrees it'll tell more of the story.

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Pretty Theft
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posted November 08, 2014 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm glad.

And, yes. Please do. Especially on that SATURN/MARS. I think if there's anything significant on those degrees it'll tell more of the story.


Okay, so I went ahead and included these asteroids/points:


  • Chiron
  • Vertex
  • Ceres
  • Pallas
  • Juno
  • Vesta
  • Eros
  • Psyche
  • Black Moon Lilith (noted as "osc.Lilith")

I'm on the inside this time:

And here is the table of aspects -

Focusing on the asteroids, I noticed a couple things. First, my Pluto is conjunct his Vertex. There are a few other conjunctions that I noticed too - I made a list and hopefully you can tell me what the heck it means!


  • My Ceres conjunct his NN (which is also conjunct my IC)
  • My Psyche conjunct his MC
  • Black Moon Lilith conjunct his Mars/Venus conjunction at 0 degrees, Aries Point
  • His Chiron conjunct my NN (I know we mentioned this, but I just wanted to note it again)
  • His Pallas conjunct my moon to the degree at 22 Pisces
  • His Vesta conjunct my Pluto

And this is not counting a number of very tight trines, squares and sextiles that appeared! What do you think? Are these good signs? What do they tell you? I have no idea what they mean, really.

Thank you!!

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Pretty Theft
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posted November 08, 2014 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and I also ran this chart, this time with the Lust, Valentine, and Amor asteroids -

Here's the table of aspects:

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Pretty Theft
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posted December 16, 2014 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just bumping this in case anyone has some extra insights. Much appreciated.

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