posted November 11, 2014 12:42 PM            

Does anyone know which aspects is more deep and in depth venus-pluto aspects or moon-pluto aspects? Which is more obsessed? Would love to hear you're experiences and knowledge thank you in advance

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posted November 11, 2014 03:34 PM            

That would depend a lot on the context of the whole synastry. Are these a DW?

posted November 11, 2014 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hello and welcome

That would depend a lot on the context of the whole synastry. Are these a DW?

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posted November 12, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:

Thank you ... i just wanted to know which of the two aspects is more intense or stronger

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Welcome Ruden to LL and IA.

Honestly, both VENUS and MOON are intense with a heavy hitter like PLUTO. As Lee stated, it's truly all context. Orb is a big factor, too.

In my experience, I feel our VENUS sextile PLUTO (2°) and PLUTO conjunct VENUS (9°) and MOON opposite PLUTO (0°) all very intensely.

And in every case but the conjunction, I'm PLUTO!

posted November 12, 2014 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Welcome Ruden to LL and IA.

Honestly, both VENUS and MOON are intense with a heavy hitter like PLUTO. As Lee stated, it's truly all context. Orb is a big factor, too.

In my experience, I feel our VENUS sextile PLUTO (2°) and PLUTO conjunct VENUS (9°) and MOON opposite PLUTO (0°) all very intensely.

And in every case but the conjunction, I'm PLUTO!

It really does depend upon many factors. Including how well PLUTO energy is expressed in a natal.

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Thank you Aubyanne im loving this site!

And pardon me if i sound ignorant but isnt your pluto conjunct venus orb a bit too large to be considered an aspect? Ive read the max for venus-pluto is 6 degrees.

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posted November 12, 2014 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
In going to vote for MOON-PLUTO aspects, because the MOON is more volatile and able to be influenced than VENUS. VENUS is a benefic, so can charge anything touching it with positivity. The MOON is super sensitive, so can equally feel the heights of both joy and pain. As a reflective luminary, it seems naturally more inclined to amplify PLUTO's intensity and power, too.

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I was thinking the same thing but wasnt sure and what you said makes sense!

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posted November 12, 2014 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:

Thank you Aubyanne im loving this site!

And pardon me if i sound ignorant but isnt your pluto conjunct venus orb a bit too large to be considered an aspect? Ive read the max for venus-pluto is 6 degrees.

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Good catch! You're absolutely right in that 9º is extremely wide. I don't typically count aspects above 4º if I can help it, though the allowable orb for a conjunction is typically 10º.

As it's applying, and I have a natal PLUTO-VENUS parallel, my VENUS is naturally infused with a bit of Plutonian energy on its own, subtle though it may be. Since the aspect is conjunct my 12H VENUS from the 1H, the fact that it's crossed my ASC brings a lot of my VENUS energy out into the open. Since it's PLUTO doing this, it's bound to be a bit dramatic in nature -- which it is.

We also have a PLUTO sextile VENUS (2º) which creates a resonance between the two, forming a DW. Taken together, such aspects are often amplified and intensified; any time a point gets 'brought forth' from the 12H and crosses the ASC, it gains weight, power, and prominence.

Perhaps if the aspect were closer, it'd be WAY too much for me to deal with. Instead, it's just enough for me to truly take notice without wanting to bolt for the door.

posted November 12, 2014 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Good catch! You're absolutely right in that 9º is extremely wide. I don't typically count aspects above 4º if I can help it, though the allowable orb for a conjunction is typically 10º.

As it's applying, and I have a natal PLUTO-VENUS parallel, my VENUS is naturally infused with a bit of Plutonian energy on its own, subtle though it may be. Since the aspect is conjunct my 12H VENUS from the 1H, the fact that it's crossed my ASC brings a lot of my VENUS energy out into the open. Since it's PLUTO doing this, it's bound to be a bit dramatic in nature -- which it is.

We also have a PLUTO sextile VENUS (2º) which creates a resonance between the two, forming a DW. Taken together, such aspects are often amplified and intensified; any time a point gets 'brought forth' from the 12H and crosses the ASC, it gains weight, power, and prominence.

Perhaps if the aspect were closer, it'd be WAY too much for me to deal with. Instead, it's just enough for me to truly take notice without wanting to bolt for the door.

That happens sometimes, and it can be really lovely.

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So Aubyanne whos more obsessed in the relationship you or your mate? And could you explain to me how venus-pluto feels different than moon-pluto? Like how do you act what do the aspects make you and your mate feel like

Thank you for posting on this thread!

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posted November 12, 2014 09:54 PM            

The question 'who's more obsessed?' in a relationship is a curious, and illuminating, one. It stems from a position of insecurity and fear. Often, we evaluate the balance of power when we feel we're on the lacking end.

Obsession is never the goal of relating. That's merely the trick of chemicals for the purpose of (hopeful) long-term bonding. The truth is, the attachment game doesn't begin until after they've faded out of the picture.

When looking at the astrology of obsession, we always find insecurities dredged, along with confronting our own relationship with power. PLUTO will certainly put us face to face with that -- especially how we feel about it.

The thing is, nobody can determine 'who feels an aspect more'. A common plea, but not a realistic one. PLUTO is said indicate obsession in a natal, but in synastry, it has 'the upper hand'. Strange inconsistency I've never quite bought into. Instead, the one who most readily embodies or understands PLUTO energy may be the one more comfortable expressing it -- regardless of aspect.

posted November 12, 2014 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ruden,

The question 'who's more obsessed?' in a relationship is a curious, and illuminating, one. It stems from a position of insecurity and fear. Often, we evaluate the balance of power when we feel we're on the lacking end.

Obsession is never the goal of relating. That's merely the trick of chemicals for the purpose of (hopeful) long-term bonding. The truth is, the attachment game doesn't begin until after they've faded out of the picture.

When looking at the astrology of obsession, we always find insecurities dredged, along with confronting our own relationship with power. PLUTO will certainly put us face to face with that -- especially how we feel about it.

The thing is, nobody can determine 'who feels an aspect more'. A common plea, but not a realistic one. PLUTO is said indicate obsession in a natal, but in synastry, it has 'the upper hand'. Strange inconsistency I've never quite bought into. Instead, the one who most readily embodies or understands PLUTO energy may be the one more comfortable expressing it -- regardless of aspect.

The better question is to think of VENUS and the MOON. What they mean to you. How these are affected by PLUTO will tell you a lot about your take regarding power, and how it features in your relationships.

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Dangg thats deep! You are an astrological guru Aubyanne lol

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posted November 12, 2014 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:

Dangg thats deep! You are an astrological guru Aubyanne lol

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posted November 13, 2014 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sorry, it's the shrink coming out. Sometimes I can't put my work away. Especially when it's in a territory I feel overlaps.

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Take me in as your apprentice please. Say yes MASTER lol

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posted November 13, 2014 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:

Take me in as your apprentice please. Say yes MASTER lol

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posted November 13, 2014 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
In going to vote for MOON-PLUTO aspects, because the MOON is more volatile and able to be influenced than VENUS. VENUS is a benefic, so can charge anything touching it with positivity. The MOON is super sensitive, so can equally feel the heights of both joy and pain. As a reflective luminary, it seems naturally more inclined to amplify PLUTO's intensity and power, too.

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