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Topic: Karmic Completion? // Sidereal to Tropical and Draco Synastry
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 12:02 PM
I've never put much stock in the Sidereal system. It just never 'resonated' with me. A VIRGO? Get outta here. VENUS and ASC in LEO? Someone's smoking crack. Alas, with age, hopefully, comes wisdom. Had someone informed me back in my teens that the Sidereal was largely related to karmic influences, I would've been on board. It seems I was just too inexperienced to make the connexion of LEO to my 12H, and note how the preceding sign is almost a reflection of that 12H energy.Karma became a bit more important to me once I considered my multidimensional existence was a bit like this this meets this. I didn't ask for it, but evidently I need it on a soul-level, or I wouldn't be here, doing this now. It's starting to wreak an unconscious havoc with my relationship, too. I don want it to, but YOU try wrestling with these feelings. YOU try telling yourself 'oh, the massive coincidences that couldn't happen in a million years don't matter,' and to just relax. It's NOT easy. I thank God that my rationale has kept me from bolting; though I have no reason to, the inexplicable fear isn't any less impacting. But I'm on SOME kind of ticking clock here, and I think the answers lie in the doors unlocked by the Sidereal synastry. @athenegoddess made some excellent suggestions: take all conjunctions under 2º and compare to transiting NODES to understand karmic timeframes for completion. The one question outstanding is: synastric conjunctions in Sidereal or Tropical to Sidereal? So. Who wants to play this game with me? More than likely your karma is not causing as much disruption in your own present life or observed timeline. But if you'd like to explore these concepts with me, I'd be very, very grateful. IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted November 12, 2014 12:47 PM
I'm in! For starters i just took all the conjunctions <2 degrees which i found between Sidereal and tropical/draco. Startling indeed.
My s.Uranus conjunct his n.Uranus conjunct his n.SN conjunct my d.Venus <2d His s.Sun conjunct my n.DSC 1 My s.Venus conjunct his d.Mars EXACT - soon sidereal transiting nodes will conjunct this one. My s.Mercury conjunct his d.Mars EXACT His s.Moon conjunct my n.Uranus conjunct his d.Venus EXACT His s.Venus conjunct my n.Vertex 1 His S.Saturn conjunct my N.Sun 2 (transiting North node right now is on my Sun, it has already passed his sidereal Saturn by 2 degrees) His s.Neptune conjunct my n.IC EXACT His S.DSC conjunct my n.Neptune conjunct his n.Jupiter EXACT His s.IC conjunct my n.ASC EXACT IP: Logged |
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posted November 12, 2014 01:08 PM
I see several options in terms of the transiting nodes.-Tropical transiting nodes conjunct sidereal conjunctions (of course the conjunctions will also appear in tropical synastry, but in sidereal they will be about 23-25 degrees prior - in this case we might deal with mutual karma, which might be especially significant or clear, if the sidreal conjunction also falls onto a tropical planet or asteroid or angle). - tropical transiting nodes to a conjunction from sidreal to tropical (of course here at least for one person the nodal transit docks onto a tropical planet - here it seems that one person becomes a catalyst for the other person`s karma to unfold, or manifest. The tropical person themselves may be sometimes almost oblivious to that karmic impact they have on the other one).
- sidereal transiting node to a conjunction from sidreal to tropical
- theoretically also sidreal transiting node to a tropical conjunction, but I would leave that out as it does not have these karmic implications.
Personally I think the tropical transiting nodes might be strongest, as they anchor the sidreal configuration into this incarnation. Should one or two people`s tropical ASC or IC be hit by this as well, I suppose it will be exxtremely intense (the IC is the entry into this incarnation, and the ASC is an antenna anyway)
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 01:50 PM
Thanks, Ceri. (And I'm glad you have you along, Selene!) When I was watching that trailer for Dead Again, I literally began having a panic attack. I just stopped breathing for several seconds. Insane as it all might be, I CANNOT run from this anymore; it will drive me insane, and such a wedge between us that I'm not sure we'll really be able to overcome it. Okay. So, here's what's going on. To simplify it, I'm going to go by degrees. There's so much it's gobsmacking. (For reference: n (Natal); s (Sidereal); dr (Draconic). 22º-25º ARIES (22º '21) His sHADES (22º '31) His nMOON (22º '37) My sCHIRON (22º '39) My drASCENDANT (23º '31) His sTISIPHONE (24º '52) My drMADHATTER Breaking that down: His natal MOON is conjunct his sidereal HADES (0º10) and sidereal TISIPHONE (1º00). That conjunction is present at all levels: Draco, Sidereal, and Tropical. His natal TISIPHONE/HADES is conjunct my nCHIRON, as well as his sTISIPHONE/HADES conjunct my sCHIRON. However, and quite notably, his drTISIPHONE/HADES is not conjunct my drCHIRON. Something I've found very interesting from the start. Rather, it is my drTISIPHONE that is conjunct his drCHIRON. Continuing, the sidereal conjunction is also conjunct my Draconic MADHATTER, which, like my natal, is conjunct my Draconic ASCENDANT by 2º. WHAT to make of the above, I'm not exactly sure, except the theme continues into the Sidereal NODES: 23º35 CANCER / CAPRICORN is my Sidereal NODAL axis, with his sTISIPHONE (23º ARIES '31) being 0º04 square. While we DO have the same T-Square in Tropical, it is closer to an orb of 1º. The near exactness of the sidereal is worth noting, I feel. It's still conjunct my sCHIRON, though at an orb of 1º. Worth mentioning is my natal ALICE (22º CAP 46) and AMOR (23º CAP 18) are conjunct my Sidereal SNODE (0º25-1º00). Again, the theme repeats across systems. The fact that the above Sidereal conjunctions are powerfully linked to my Draconic ASC and his natal MOON, by 0º30-1º00 seems to be pointing to a theme that's carrying over, from the karmic level, to the soul-contract level, and into the present. No wonder it's got such a 'Dead Again' feeling. So, starting off, those degrees, 22º-24º ARIES, seem to hold the greatest significance across the board, from what I can see at the moment. ALL thoughts are welcome as to how I should proceed with this. I don't even know what I'm DOING; I just FEEL I have to be doing something. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 02:47 PM
Took a look at the Sabians, as they always intrigue me to some extent:ARIES 22: The Gate Opens to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires. Lynda's take on it: 'This is where we get the opportunity to step up to the gate of our desires, to arrive at a place where we can make the transition to a happier life, with more rewards, beauty, joy, love, peace and deliverance. It helps to get straight about what your 'All Fulfilled Desires' may be. Making some big decisions, affirmations or dropping issues from the past that no longer work is key to opening that gate. What and where is the place you strive for? It seems that you have brought yourself to what you want, but there may still be obstacles. There may be fear about just what ‘All Fulfilled Desires’ may actually represent. Maybe you already have everything you need—take a look around and ask yourself this. Are you ready and willing to accept the rewards? Perhaps you need to make the deliberate action of opening the ‘Gate’, allowing entry to where you belong and where you want to be. It can often be difficult accepting or admitting what we really want, especially to ourselves. You may be used to (or addicted to) being in a difficult or unfulfilling situation or relationship. Can you cope with the more rewarding possibilities that lie beyond any barriers? As this ‘Gate’ opens (in your mind, your emotions or literally) you’ll find you’ve come to a new threshold, possibly a whole new beginning in life. Often there needs to be a pause, a reflection of how real or rewarding this new place is that you are about to enter. Perhaps you need to knock first, showing your clear intention of “wanting in”. Then you can take that step towards what you want. Be prepared to tend to your ‘Garden of Fulfilled Desires’. Keywords: Craving happiness. Gardens and their treasures. Trellises and flowing plants. Pathways to bliss. Gates and doors. Unlocking and opening gates and doors. Analyzing your heart’s desires. The grass being greener on the other side. Rewards and treasures waiting. The allure of somewhere else. Initiations. Passages to a better life. Acquiring property. Sexual fulfillment. Opening up to life’s possibilities and rewards.' ... Wow. YES! I want off the confusion merry-go-round. I want this strange burden lifted from me. To be rid of the fear. To trust and be unafraid. To be joyful and vulnerable. To understand, and to process, and to let go of the past, and to move on into a better future. I want that for us both. I feel we deserve it. IP: Logged |
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posted November 12, 2014 02:52 PM
Actually that is the Sabian of 21°00-21°59 Aries. Sabian degrees are usually counted like this:
1° Aries: 00°00-00°59 2° aries: 01°00 - 01°59 etc. I feel the sabian of 25 Aries (or 24°00-24°59) might be very fitting for you, too
"The Possibility For Man To Gain Experience At Two Levels Of Being" I feel it very directly relates to trans-dimensional experience.
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 02:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Actually that is the Sabian of 21°00-21°59 Aries. Sabian degrees are usually counted like this: 1° Aries: 00°00-00°59 2° aries: 01°00 - 01°59 etc. I feel the sabian of 25 Aries (or 24°00-24°59) might be very fitting for you, too "The Possibility For Man To Gain Experience At Two Levels Of Being" I feel it very directly relates to trans-dimensional experience.
Oh, I thought that was The Boxer Enters The Ring. http://sabiansymbols.typepad.com/my_weblog/201 3/04/stepping-up-to-the-plate-stepping-through-the-gate-aprils-aries-new-moon.html So, the New Moon was actually ay 20º ARIES? And my drMADHATTER is 24º ARIES '52. So, that's definitely 25th degree. And, I agree on your interpretation of that degree. I very much feel it does as well. There's a LOT going on here, and that's just one of the degrees, which happens to link up directly to the TISIPHONIC pattern. IP: Logged |
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posted November 12, 2014 03:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Oh, I thought that was The Boxer Enters The Ring. [
No that is the Sabian of my natal Chiron on 20°02 Aries. And our composite SN. LOL EDIT: Considering that Sabian for the composite SN and it being in 3rd house, we must have SLAUGHTERED each other verbally or mentally in the past. No wonder the universe thought of putting the ruler Mars on the NN in Libra, on 23-24 Libra as a matter of fact. Gotta learn a thing or two about how to properly communicate (no wonder in the tropical synastry his Saturn is squaring my Mercury exact, and my Neptune conjuncts his Mercury exact - definitely some mercurial issues right there. ) Interestingly in composite our sidereal Mercury-Neptune- conjunction on 23 and 21 Scorpio, falls right onto the tropical DNA-Angel-Lust-Valentine-conjunction and opposing the Juno-Alma in 4th house.
Sabians are interesting, too sNeptune and tDNA: Obeying His Conscience, A Soldier Resists Orders sMercury and tLust, tAngel A Rabbit Metamorphoses Into A Nature Sprit
tValentine After Having Heard An Inspired Individual Deliver His "Sermon On The Mount," Crowds Are Returning Home
BTW sMC is on the degree that precedes tMars. It`s our damned karmic job, I guess. lol Intersting how our composite points to the same area as your synastric connection does. something around 20-25 Libra (and Aries, though it seems for us the way into the future is tied to Libra)
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 03:31 PM
I'm having a really, really hard time managing the fear recently. And I especially hate that, because he's done nothing wrong. Nothing. Last October, he really committed to our relationship, and I'll be damned if I let something as inane as weird, inexplicable, generalised fear wreck our intimacy.IP: Logged |
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posted November 12, 2014 03:45 PM
I suppose the fear is part of the deal. Maybe some sort of selfdefense mechanism kicking in or some kind of preventing you from taking that leap of faith, because it is scary, ending up in terra incognita. But I also think giving in to it and withdrawing again just will keep you from reaching your potential. We can`t really fight and stomp the fear into the ground by some martial actions, maybe all we can do is acknowledging it, accepting it, hearing the fearful voices, and take the leap of faith NEVERTHELESS. To me that is a very Chironic thing to to do as a matter of fact. To know about the hurt, the vulnerability, the absence of a second skin, the absolute nakedness of the soul, without its defense mechanisms, and yet surrender to the experience, despite that it might hurt. no it WILL hurt. But sometimes it`s a good hurt. Sometimes it hurts, not because it is bad or dangerous, but because we have been living in a cave for so long, and stepping out into the sunlight, the melting away of the ice, will initially pinch, before we are getting warmed up from inside. At leat that is the imagery that I have had for some years in my mind. Ever since that 1st december 2003. lol IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 04:12 PM
So, continuing on, we've got several more major cross-system patterns, even though they get a bit wider. Some do, some don't. As I'm trying to find all of the connexions across systems that I can, I don't mind widening to 3º00 when there's a clear pattern that's operating.My drKARMA (16º GEM '53) is conjunct his natal stellium from 17º to 19º, including MELETE, REQUIEM, ANTEROS, and the VALENTINE-MADHATTER. My sTISIPHONE (16º GEM '42) is 0º11 on my drKARMA, and exactly conjunct our composite drDEJANIRA, within a few minutes. It's also conjunct his sSUN (14º GEM '15) using a wide orb. These are significant, again, because they involve the Sidereal, Tropical, and Draco. The next degree, 0º SCORPIO, I feel is perhaps the most timely, as the solar eclipse recently hit it, and it's highly configured in our charts: (00º SCO '24) my natal TRUE BML (00º SCO '29) my sidereal MOON (00º SCO '54) his Draconic ASCENDANT (00º SCO '41) my natal DEJANIRA and (29º LIB '54) his natal CHESHIRECAT (28º LIB '02) his natal PREY After that, 18º LEO sheds a lot of light, too. (18º LEO '03) my natal NNODE (18º LEO '03) his sidereal PSYCHE (18º LEO '28) my sidereal MADHATTER (18º LEO '40) my natal OSIRIS (19º LEO '54) my natal VESTA I also couldn't help but notice his sidereal MADHATTER and VALENTINE with my sidereal PSYCHE all on ALGOL. THAT was just a little too on-the-nose. So, there's a lot here. It keeps unfolding. And I have no idea what to do with any of it. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 04:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I suppose the fear is part of the deal. Maybe some sort of selfdefense mechanism kicking in or some kind of preventing you from taking that leap of faith, because it is scary, ending up in terra incognita. But I also think giving in to it and withdrawing again just will keep you from reaching your potential. We can`t really fight and stomp the fear into the ground by some martial actions, maybe all we can do is acknowledging it, accepting it, hearing the fearful voices, and take the leap of faith NEVERTHELESS. To me that is a very Chironic thing to to do as a matter of fact. To know about the hurt, the vulnerability, the absence of a second skin, the absolute nakedness of the soul, without its defense mechanisms, and yet surrender to the experience, despite that it might hurt. no it WILL hurt. But sometimes it`s a good hurt. Sometimes it hurts, not because it is bad or dangerous, but because we have been living in a cave for so long, and stepping out into the sunlight, the melting away of the ice, will initially pinch, before we are getting warmed up from inside. At leat that is the imagery that I have had for some years in my mind. Ever since that 1st december 2003. lol
I feel like I have to know. I have to know WHY. I'm always just guessing, but I don't KNOW. I need ... something. Some kind of answers. I'm not sure why, but I can feel it so viscerally. It's been so long. And it feels like ... something is closing in. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 06:43 PM
Anyone ever use the Arabic Parts anymore? I was investigating a few regarding the Draco, given the Tropical calculations all hit. Now I'm looking into the Sidereal. They're all hitting again.IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6727 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 12, 2014 06:48 PM
So what do you make of the tSNODE in 22°/23° ARIES this past July, Ceri?It was conjunct his natal MOON (0°), my sidereal CHIRON (0°) and his sidereal HADES-TISIPHONE (0°30). Also my Draco ASC/MADHATTER (1°) IP: Logged |
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posted November 13, 2014 05:50 AM
it gave birth to that karmic complex (especially regarding the Sabian). You need to think about hwat it means to have sidreal Chiron (a completion of wounding AND healing, resulting into cracking wide open) and Moon activated. for him it seems to be more a here-and-now-emotional opening though, for you it comes with the karmic implication. Since it was the SN hitting it, I think it must have been a longstanding karmic issue.IP: Logged |
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posted November 13, 2014 05:52 AM
For us it was more related to the transiting North Node, especially as our composite has NN on 20 Libra, with Cupido, Amor and Camelot on 20 Libra as well. so it started with the activation of SN-ruler Mars on 23 Libra, and then slid into a nodal return. IP: Logged |
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posted November 13, 2014 05:55 AM
For us following dates were important 26th march 9.th june, 13th june 26th july 23rd august 25th october
especially these should be highlighted in karmic astrology# (additionally of course 22nd june 2013)
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olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 703 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 15, 2014 08:30 AM
Just checked mine to his , only the ones under 2 degrees . Here goes Sun sext. Sun, Saturn trine Sun, Moon conj . Sun, Mars conj. Sun Venus conj. Karma Mercury trine Saturn Juno opp. Venus . Eros opp. Sun Juno sext. Mars/Eros Cool how it all fits , Draco has interesting ones too. Just cant be bothered lol!!! IP: Logged |
Hanni Knowflake Posts: 76 From: Czech republic Registered: Oct 2017
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posted November 15, 2018 06:16 AM
Hi, I and my partner - lover - we have my tropical sun conjunct his sidereal sun - exactly. My tropical moon conjunct his sidereal moon 1 deg.I do not know what it means for us - karma? What can it mean to me - a person tropical? and for him? person sidereal? IP: Logged | |