posted November 16, 2014 11:59 PM            

Exhibit A: My ex-fiancee. Foreign. TOB known.

Exhibit B: Guy who proposed, twice. Also foreigner. Known TOB.

Exhibit C: Current crush. Commitment phobe. TOB unknown.

Here's where it gets interesting. It only hit me a few minutes ago. My oldest cousin, whom, despite being very dear to me, I avoid like the plague, fits this bill. What is most interesting is that the one I feel for strongest, Exhibit C, is actually born the same year as her. Why do I avoid her? I don't know.. I guess my therapist and I will have a knack out of figuring it out. I always thought she resents me from our childhood, and now I resent her because she has her pretty perfect family while I am alone. Ok, I don't exactly RESENT her but it is simply painful for me to be around her. So I attract a bunch of men that remind me of her?! WHY?! What is the point of all this, I wonder..

The constant is their Sun conjunct my Saturn +/- Pluto (and angle action for the engagement/proposal synastries, ofc). Saturn rules my Asc, but also my 12th. Pluto rules my MC. What is it about Sun-Saturn that I keep failing at, and need to repeat the lesson over and over and over again?!

Exhibit D: Me and my cousin. TOB known.

posted November 17, 2014 04:09 AM            

Mars is in Aries in your natal chart, Aries rules the 1st house. So your 1st house works like a secondary Mars in terms of the energy you're attracted to on a guy. You've got Capricorn rising ruled by Saturn in Scorpio, so guys with Capricorn or/and Scorpio placements may often appeal to you.

What's really interesting is that Saturn in your chart sits in early Scorpio, where the Sun placement of these men repeatedly falls.

We can have a secondary Mars house just like we can have a secondary 7th house. Because you have a Cancer Dsc, the 4th house is your secondary 7th house. With 4th house in Taurus, ruled by Venus in Taurus, an attraction to Taurus would come from the secondary 7th house. This is boosted by Venus' sign.

Guys on the Scorpio/Taurus spectrum have quite an appeal for you.

posted November 17, 2014 04:15 AM            

both have a pisces ASC (actually on the same degree. lol)

Both have a Sun-Moon-aspect

both have a Sagittarius-Moon

both have a bit of 9th house emphasis

both have Saturn-Pluto in 7th house

What is decidely different is their Venus-Mars-configuration.

My brother has a widish Venus-Mars-conjunction in Aries in intercepted 1st house.

Mr Sag has Venus in Cappy in 11th house, trine Saturn,s extile Uranus, sextile ASC, sesisquare Mars and Jupiter and square Pluto.

Also has Mars conjunct Jupiter in Virgo in 6th house, squaring Mercury.

posted November 17, 2014 07:53 AM            

I am a little overwhelmed by this discovery, because my cousin and I don't have an easy relationship. There were some things that happened when we were kids. I don't fully understand or even remember them all. But it was a mix of being very fond of, being resentful and also confused. I don't know, it's like I never truly understood my cousin. And we drifted apart throughout the years, even though we live in the same city. I haven't seen her in more than 2-3 years.

The odd, weird coincidence here is that these men have behaved pretty on/off with me. The same way I behaved with her. She was usually the one to push for contact, or meetings, the one who always wanted more time together. I don't know, I have had this awkward feeling towards her that I'm not sure precisely where it stems from. I don't think she reminds me of these men, I think these men were supposed to remind me of her. I do regret not being on better terms with her. I have two nephews that I don't spend time with. These people are my blood and I behave as if they're strangers.

And all because of my twisted childhood and the guilt and the shame I was left with. I'm only now realizing the magnitude of the alienation it caused.

posted November 17, 2014 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Well, I can tell you why you often go for early Scorpio guys. It's part of your attraction pattern in relation to Mars.

Mars is in Aries in your natal chart, Aries rules the 1st house. So your 1st house works like a secondary Mars in terms of the energy you're attracted to on a guy. You've got Capricorn rising ruled by Saturn in Scorpio, so guys with Capricorn or/and Scorpio placements may often appeal to you.

What's really interesting is that Saturn in your chart sits in early Scorpio, where the Sun placement of these men repeatedly falls.

We can have a secondary Mars house just like we can have a secondary 7th house. Because you have a Cancer Dsc, the 4th house is your secondary 7th house. With 4th house in Taurus, ruled by Venus in Taurus, an attraction to Taurus would come from the secondary 7th house. This is boosted by Venus' sign.

Guys on the Scorpio/Taurus spectrum have quite an appeal for you.

With your female cousin having her Sun on your Saturn in Scorpio, it's possible that she reminds you of a certain part of you're attraction pattern to men, even though she is female.

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Speaking of Mars and 1st house, Lotis.. do you know what else is odd? The fact that a composite Sun between my Aries Sun and their early Scorpio Sun falls on 20-23 Capricorn. On my Asc/1st house..

posted November 17, 2014 08:13 AM            

The Mars Pluto Saturn opp suggests a masculine ideal: Aries with Scorp and Cap/Aqua, hence the attraction.

The second factor is your Venus liking a Scorpio Mars/Sun. Emphasized by Mars/Pluto sq your DSC.

A Cardinal fellow with fixed placements (or viceversa) is the most compatible with you.

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posted November 17, 2014 01:53 PM            

Guy B's MC falls in early Scorpio in your house chart. Saturn being the natural MC ruler, that connects the way you feel his Saturn energy with your Saturn placement. Since this is your CR, a strong case of finding yourself in this guy is present, as he mirrors a lot of yourself back to you. You can sort of see it as a Saturn-Saturn conjunction in early Scorpio, on the AC.

posted November 17, 2014 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Speaking of Mars and 1st house, Lotis.. do you know what else is odd? The fact that a composite Sun between my Aries Sun and their early Scorpio Sun falls on 20-23 Capricorn. On my Asc/1st house..

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