posted November 29, 2014 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by olgatheo:

I have always lived violently ,drunk hugely ,eaten too much or not at all, slept around the clock or missed two nights of sleeping,worked too hard and too long in glory or slobbed for a time in utter laziness. I've ifted,pulled,chopped,climbed,made love with joy and taken hangovers as a consequence not as a punishment..." John Steinbeck (1902-1968)

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posted November 30, 2014 05:23 AM            

John Steinbeck didn't have a Mars/Neptune aspect, but the quote reflects his Mars/Pluto in T/sq with Uranus, and his Mars/Sun in the 8th and Pisces. Moon/Jupiter sq probably helped too. It sounds like a Mars/Pluto/8th house quote, in combination with Pisces. lol

posted November 30, 2014 06:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I agree - and, to add, his Leo AC and Scorpio Moon may have played a role in it, too. A mix of strong Leo/Scorpio energy, at least in men, seems to make them like extreme states. My experience with them is they have to physically feel everything, and are thus prone to putting themselves through the wringer once in a while...

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A bit addicted to intense emotional experiences, good or bad, at least Scorpios. It makes them feel alive. 8th housers know this too lol

But I agree Mars/Neptune could give an addiction/propensity for feeling "high", floating in a dream world, which can come with alcohol, drugs, sex, music, dance etc. and all kinds of spiritual practices with a strong physical dimension: martial arts, yoga, tantra etc. Or following an impossible dream In fact, I believe all Mars/Neptune people should practice one of those or find one of those dreams

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posted November 30, 2014 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
Do you attract violence???

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posted November 30, 2014 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Nice quote!

John Steinbeck didn't have a Mars/Neptune aspect, but the quote reflects his Mars/Pluto in T/sq with Uranus, and his Mars/Sun in the 8th and Pisces. Moon/Jupiter sq probably helped too. It sounds like a Mars/Pluto/8th house quote, in combination with Pisces. lol

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Thanks for joining in ...didn't say he had the aspect just saying it describes Mars/Neptune ( passive aggression/seduction/sexual fantasy/illusion of strength / etc....

on Pluto/mars have an awesome quote -

posted November 30, 2014 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I agree - and, to add, his Leo AC and Scorpio Moon may have played a role in it, too. A mix of strong Leo/Scorpio energy, at least in men, seems to make them like extreme states. My experience with them is they have to physically feel everything, and are thus prone to putting themselves through the wringer once in a while...

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posted November 30, 2014 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Olgatheo, interestingly, while I don't have Mars/Neptune, I have Mars/Uranus in close opposition and can still completely relate! Broke more bones as a kid than I care to remember in various accidents, also by doing stunts like jumping off heights as a dare etc; and was even, as a girl, involved in physical fights with boys until 7th grade, until I stopped growing stronger while they did not, which kinda took all the fun out of it. Was for a time as a teen involved in heavy drinking too but gave it up at age 20 or thereabouts, but remember well enough what a nasty hangover feels like. Do you think Mars/Uranus alone is enough to explain that in the absence of Mars/Neptune? I tend to think what has contributed to that youthful recklessness in addition may have been Aries Moon opp. Pluto ("I am invincible and need a challenge NOW!"), Sun square Pluto ("I want to overcome my fears"), 8th house Sun ("Gimme a crisis, I need to transform"), and Scorpio rising ("Rules are there for other people"). I guess one needs to physically experience one's boundaries with these placements, is kind of immune to good advice, and learns most effectively from pain... and so, with hindsight, especially since I became a parent myself, I've felt extremely sorry for my poor parents who had to put up with all that behavior and its rather dramatic results. Thank god my kid is totally different...

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posted November 30, 2014 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
i have mars in gem in 11h opp. neptune in sag in 5h. It's also part of a t-square with NN/Saturn in virgo in 2h.
As for relationships: yes, i've attracted violence and I myself have not been an angel...

"I have always lived violently"
-> when I was younger yes. Was beaten and i was violent
"drunk hugely"
-> when i was a teenie/early 20s
"eaten too much or not at all"
-> see above
"slept around the clock or missed two nights of sleeping"
-> yes. but I have no energy to miss 2 nights of sleeping, it's more like a couple of hours each night for weeks
"worked too hard and too long in glory or slobbed for a time in utter laziness"
-> yes
I've lifted,pulled,chopped,climbed,made love with joy and taken hangovers as a consequence not as a punishment..."
-> yes

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posted December 01, 2014 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Umm… yes. I try not to get very angry in the first place because it usually doesn't end well. Been there, done that….nowadays, I try to live according to a Yoga tenet on mental discipline, which has kind of become my favorite Mantra:

"The bad thought of injury, untruth, theft, incontinence, or greed, whether done, caused to be done, or approved, whether preceded by greed, anger, or infatuation, whether mild, medium, or strong, results in endless pain and error." (Patanjali, Yoga Sutra 2.34)

However, apparently I needed to experience much "pain and error" first hand (and physically) in order to understand the meaning of this sentence in the first place.
So you're quite right, Yoga/meditation/occultism has been my key for transforming destructive impulses. It took a while, and included a little trip to Hades and back What about you, what works for you?

(And yes, I'm a protective Mom at heart, but try to allow my kid to experience the consequences of her decisions even if they are negative. But whenever she needs support I'm there and I think she knows it.)

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Same here , spent a decade studying all forms of occult knowledge , all religions and travelling ( Good parents ) , yoga, extreme sports
yeah Pluto does that, it drags you down to hell , you feel like dying ( something always does ) I usually notice 7 ( rings of hell) that you have to forego , like shells of former self, you change , become so strong that once you resurface nothing fazes you..!!! You also gain wealth ( Pluto means wealth in Greek) either spiritual or physical wealth
I have my placements in mutable signs so I dealt with Pluto/Uranus/Saturn already and
now use this ( experience )for counselling peep's !