posted December 04, 2014 01:38 PM            

Transits and journalling how they personally effect you is a great way to understand your individual natal's points, and which are the best orbs for determining aspects. For broad example, only last week did I begin to feel tSATURN leaving my poor nMERC be, after a lengthy trek through my 3H, bopping back and forth over 14º Scorpio. At which point did I finally feel its effects leave? Around 26º Scorpio. But here's the better question: how did I know?

tSATURN plodding through your 3H is going to force you to reexamine your thought processes and communication style anyway; you might introspect, deeply, on just how your mind works, or what you consider to be important thoughts to share with others. The Zen approach may become your new mantra, running down the list of 'is it useful?' and for whom? In my personal experience, most of that with which I was inundated, wasn't. I was constantly assaulted with a plethora of stimuli, environmental noise and trivia which only served to muddle my point, confuse the matter, and fill my head with nonsense.

Like Occam's Razor, tSATURN barrelled through there, slashing through the bramble and leaving a clear, but decimated area, in its wake. But on top of that, it hit my MERCURY, over and over again, until I grew so tired of feeling as if I couldn't 'use my words', I failed to attempt communication at all. Total lockdown. It muzzled me.

Then it went for my MOON.

How I felt about these environmental processes, and this 'room noise' became paramount. Only that which was germane and most crucial to the matter made it through the filtre that tSATURN had constructed. I went through a total emotional clearing -- a catharsis, if you will -- in regards to how I personally interpret my own thoughts, and those of others. What I learnt about my own emotions from a young age; what worked, and, most importantly, what didn't.

It's still there now, only 2º30 off of my MOON. But it's 13º from my MERC. The day on which it entered 25º Scorpio, making a near exact separating conjunction to my MOON, but now 11º from my MERC, I felt as if I could communicate again. I'd even argue that when it hit 23º Scorpio, I felt as if I could think again. I wanted to shout from the rooftops, 'I'm back!' but instead, I ended up clearing out the 3,000 emails from the AubiPhone; unsubscribing from lists I hadn't wanted to be a part of for months, and slowly, but surely, reemerging into the busy world, as if I'd been hibernating for the past 2 years.

In short, the drought in my head was over, and in the soft rainstorm that followed, I cleared the leaves from the driveway, and said a quiet prayer for the parched earth. My MOON had discovered its essential nature as a communicator; a passionate, driven, cathartic purveyor of words and ideas, who's now received the gift of concision, pith, and discovered the balance between head and heart -- even if I haven't learnt it yet, I know it's the next step I must take.

And why? Time. There's simply no time -- to quote The Guess Who -- as I'm on to better things. There's no time to waste, as there's a lot that must be done. All of the mercurial dross that cluttered my head and confused the matter is finally appropriately filed under 'unimportant'.

Orbs can also help us understand just where we're being affected, and by what. For me, I knew my 3H was the stage upon which my Saturnine lessons were unfolding, but with MERC at 14º and MOON at 24º, it's tough to know just what was creating the muzzling effect. Now that I'm slowly communicating again, and my MOON is all that's receiving the separating conjunction, it feels as if I've been on a turbulent flight landing in Dallas-Fort Worth International -- which has the most 'violent' air in the country, potentially, across the globe, in terms of airports. It's been a bumpy ride, but the most of it is over, and now we've just got to navigate a few more bumps (the retrograde transit next summer) which is never going to be closer than a 4º separating conjunction to my MOON; I may not feel anything but a bit of side-to-side action. Hell, we may even have a three-point landing here.

And that's got me thinking a bit more deeply on my synastries. I was inspired by Ceri to tighten my orbs to about 3º across the board, to where I have an unconscious filtre which zeroes in on all exact aspects, and considers those up to 3º. And you're talking to the girl who used to argue that a 10º conjunction was perfectly valid. Granted, I was about eleven then. I suppose it would take tSATURN, and a lot of experience, to teach me otherwise.

Something else happened just as soon as I started feeling communicative again. I was ZONKED. We're talking like someone sedated me. Los Angeles was seeing the first serious rainstorm it'd had since the flash storm on Hallowe'en, and it was grey skies and drizzle with increasing intensity to momentary downpour, pretty much for the bulk of 5 days. I felt as if I was suddenly coming down with an acute case of SAD -- Seasonal Affective Disorder -- but in a span of, what, a day? No way.

It's not better, either. The sun came out to make a partly cloudy day, and I still feel cold and wintry; like I'd prefer to curl up in bed and continue the sudden hibernation I went into.

My MARS is natally at 0º SAG. Just into it, too; I don't know about you, but that tSATURN creeping into 28º Scorpio is inching mighty close to my nMARS, making a 2º conjunction. Something I consider valid anywhere. But more than anything, it felt like my libido has been sapped, too. Just gone. Vanished. I've been analysing sex even more deeply than I normally do, running it through the pragmatism lens, and finding the whole thing completely illogical and bizarre. I even debated asking for a hiatus from my sexual relationships this morning -- which, of course, I didn't do. There are others involved in this besides myself. But I certainly did consider it.

My nMARS is also 3H -- about 9º from my IC. Am I noticing a greater tension on the home front? Nah. We may be taking serious action (tSATURN) in certain areas, but nothing to indicate there's any tSATURN/IC involvement.

My nMARS, however, is my 8R.

So, thinking (3H) about putting a kibosh (tSATURN) on my sex-life (MARS/8R) for the next few weeks is probably the extent to which that'll get. Especially as my own emotions (MOON) may fluctuate as well.

Okay. That's some pretty clear anecdotal evidence for how we all know planetary orbs can vary wildly. A tSATURN might be felt up to 9º, but the second (0º-0º30) that something begins separating (nMOON), the pressure may suddenly release like the loosening of a vise.

The hot topic is asteroids. How do we properly address our orbs for asteroids?

I'll go ahead and post this, and begin work on some examples for the next point. Examples, while personal and anecdotal, to help us understand that these CAN be very individualised things, for which active testing is needed in order to create any sort of standard.

posted December 04, 2014 02:56 PM            

My man has nSaturn conj nMercury, nAlma, and IC. tSaturn is at 30 minutes away as of today. Yes, both of us are experiencing Saturn return in Scorpio...
BLEHHHHH

So tSaturn on nMercury is making you communicate better... Well I wish that was true for my man - he is NOT communicating. That was what my rant was based on... lol

I've been influenced by you, and other senior members on here so I like to use tighter orbs as well (3-4 deg max for planets, tighter for asteroids). Imo, statistically this is more significant and meaningful. When I start plugging in bunch of asteroids and fixed stars, I would find too many aspects and I feel I can make up any patterns I want on my chart. I want my chart to only show the remarkable aspects that colour my life, and not the other way around.

posted December 04, 2014 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
tSaturn is opposite my Mars and I can relate to decreased libido but I kinda like this effect. I could say more about this transit but Saturn is travelling my 3rd house and expressing my thoughts is too much of an effort sometimes.

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Oooo.. this is explains why my man is behaving like this right now. His nSaturn is in 3H also...

posted December 04, 2014 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Wooo!! I was going to post something about tSaturn because it's like 2 minutes away from my nSaturn right now!

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Hey! Congrats on your first Saturn Return! Get ready for a helluva year. That's NOT to say it's a bad thing at all. But it'll most definitely be a period of reaping, as they say. Everything you've done for the first 29-30 years of your life is coming to fruition. So pay close attention to the Solar Return for the year your tSATURN hits your nSATURN exactly -- the degree of your return. The lunar return for the exact month can also be very illuminating.

I'm so glad that you're learning to tighten your orbs early. I'll also share a few examples from my own experiences in synastry which were surprising (and paradoxical) until I was able to demystify them.

The reason we tighten is exactly as you've addressed; statistically, it all starts becoming ripe for false positives. The further you go, the more you'll stumble into bizarre explanations as to why certain aspects are the distance they are.

For example, with my Twin, using 'karmic astrology' orbs, (which are wider, oddly enough) my SNODE is 5º from his VENUS; and MARS is 8º from it. He's oddly got a 3º conjunction of his VENUS and EROS and 0º of MARS and PSYCHE -- so the fact his PSYCHE is the same distance (8º) from my SNODE, and PSYCHE also 8º, we can't even have that discussion regarding EROS and PSYCHE.

However ...

Certain 'weak' or 'failed' or 'almost but not quite' aspect patterns tend to become an eerily perfect match in midpoints. His VENUS/MARS is 19º Aquarius; his EROS/PSYCHE, 18º. These turn out to be 0º-1º conjunct my SNODE. And, brother, is THAT one felt.

1º is actually a bit wide for midpoints. I consider it, due to the wide conjunctions being made from VENUS and MARS to SNODE. Given EROS/VENUS=SNODE 0º, however, I'm more inclined to feel its weight. Some say this is dicey -- using midpoints and calculated points. I feel that his VENUS/MARS and EROS/PSYCHE sharing the same space is hardly coincidental, and I do feel that my SNODE there is drawing some of that energy, if not affecting it. (Depends upon who you ask, whether NODES can only receive or not. I'm ... undecided.)

posted December 04, 2014 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
tSaturn is opposite my Mars and I can relate to decreased libido but I kinda like this effect. I could say more about this transit but Saturn is travelling my 3rd house and expressing my thoughts is too much of an effort sometimes.

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posted December 04, 2014 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
You don't feel like expressing yourself so do you want people to leave you alone or...?

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posted December 04, 2014 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hey! Congrats on your first Saturn Return! Get ready for a helluva year. That's NOT to say it's a bad thing at all. But it'll most definitely be a period of reaping, as they say. Everything you've done for the first 29-30 years of your life is coming to fruition. So pay close attention to the Solar Return for the year your tSATURN hits your nSATURN exactly -- the degree of your return. The lunar return for the exact month can also be very illuminating.

I'm so glad that you're learning to tighten your orbs early. I'll also share a few examples from my own experiences in synastry which were surprising (and paradoxical) until I was able to demystify them.

The reason we tighten is exactly as you've addressed; statistically, it all starts becoming ripe for false positives. The further you go, the more you'll stumble into bizarre explanations as to why certain aspects are the distance they are.

For example, with my Twin, using 'karmic astrology' orbs, (which are wider, oddly enough) my SNODE is 5º from his VENUS; and MARS is 8º from it. He's oddly got a 3º conjunction of his VENUS and EROS and 0º of MARS and PSYCHE -- so the fact his PSYCHE is the same distance (8º) from my SNODE, and PSYCHE also 8º, we can't even have that discussion regarding EROS and PSYCHE.

However ...

Certain 'weak' or 'failed' or 'almost but not quite' aspect patterns tend to become an eerily perfect match in midpoints. His VENUS/MARS is 19º Aquarius; his EROS/PSYCHE, 18º. These turn out to be 0º-1º conjunct my SNODE. And, brother, is THAT one felt.

1º is actually a bit wide for midpoints. I consider it, due to the wide conjunctions being made from VENUS and MARS to SNODE. Given EROS/VENUS=SNODE 0º, however, I'm more inclined to feel its weight. Some say this is dicey -- using midpoints and calculated points. I feel that his VENUS/MARS and EROS/PSYCHE sharing the same space is hardly coincidental, and I do feel that my SNODE there is drawing some of that energy, if not affecting it. (Depends upon who you ask, whether NODES can only receive or not. I'm ... undecided.)

Inclusion of more points may be why there's no 'need' to maintain wider orbs. We can see the whole story MUCH more clearly unfolding before us without much need to go wider than 4º in any respect. In most cases, 2º. I certainly like this trend as well.

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Oh.. I'm not so sure if I can celebrate this return!!! >.< It's certainly been a crazy roller coaster ride. Everything started when Saturn entered Scorpio. It's so heavy I can't breathe!!
So far in my life, all I ever want is to build a strong base for my career, and to meet the love of my life who will treat me right. But SIGH.. I feel I have not accomplished any of the above!! Grr.. I want to move forward... FASTER and something is always pulling me back like there is a chain on my ankle. What I want is RIGHT there. I see it. I reach for it but I just CAN'T grab it. The chain is not long enough... leaving me feel soooo frustrated!! Thanks for the tips though! I will definitely keep an eye out for those days/events!

Wow those mid-point connections are cool! Like they fill in the blank!! I guess it is important to analyze layer by layer. Answer must be somewhere! But this is also why I think orbs need to be tighter too.. When I compile everything and compare all these different charts (davison, draco, helio, personas, etc...), with wide orbs everything seems associated and I won't be able to see the main 'theme' that dictates the charts/relationships/energy.

posted December 04, 2014 11:00 PM            

Don't stress the Saturn Return. Really. Consider that the Great Cosmic Schoolmaster is either promoting or holding you back for a reason. If you feel chained and unable to progress, consider reversing your angle and looking behind you. What're you chained to? It's great to keep our eye on the prize, but when it comes to feeling stunted or hindered, it may be more useful to us to switch our focus to what's holding us back.

Until I really allowed myself to delve into my karma, hang ups, and find the roots to my phobias and fears, I was really, really stuck. But, since working in the direction of SATURN, rather than away from it, my life has slowly begun to unfold. I've just had to keep my cool, stay disciplined, and remember what matters. SATURN will always teach you what matters in the sea of minutiae.

So, to return to your metaphor, what is it you're chained to? What might you be able to find or do in order to free yourself from that burden? More importantly, why might you not be quite yet ready for your dreams to be realised and objectives to be met?

posted December 04, 2014 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
tSaturn is opposite my Mars and I can relate to decreased libido but I kinda like this effect.

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Haha. We're SN conj Mars then it seems. No wonder you didn't like me blowing your Cruise-cover? Pbbt. ;P

posted December 05, 2014 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Haha. We're SN conj Mars then it seems. No wonder you didn't like me blowing your Cruise-cover? Pbbt. ;P

I don't think I felt any libido-lessening effects when tSaturn passed my 13 Sco Eros though. On the contrary, the past months have been as if with heightened effects on that front in a way, Saturn transiting in my 5th house. I don't remember when the Saturn-Eros transit conjunction was though and maybe Saturn does more with Mars, no idea.

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posted December 05, 2014 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ohhhhhhh, yes. tSATURN on nEROS was no problem. BTW, :: waves :: hello, fellow Scorpio EROS-ian. 11ºSCO58 here.

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13.30 exact here from what I recall. ALWAYS liked Eros in Scorpio and the potential with it. Rrrr.

Yes, as need to or will probably comment on the other thread still, we had synastry hits here and there. Same as Ceridwen having hits with me, same as Faith and Gabby and I forget who else, people here linking one way or another sooner or later. Even the times I've answered to someone new and they then post their chart it turns out I'm in contact with them somehow, honing in as said. Dallas conjunct Moon if you recall. Hi. As I understand your chart from the other thread, I think my Kennedy's conjunct your Venus, too, if 8 Virgo.

Ok on the Saturn transit over Eros confirmation. I'm having a trine to my Saturn and it's probably now passed my NN, too, so nothing "harmful" or disliked from my end at least and thus can't say if it's done much of anything per se. I'm crap with transits, I didn't really notice anything "bad" even with Pluto square Pluto which everyone on different sites said was horror stories galore. "Is this thing on?" seems to be me with most transits. Saturn'll oppose my Sun/Moon MP when at 29 Scorpio, square Sun before that, square Moon from 0 Sag, but I guess the trine helps - or it isn't at 28 Scorpio yet. I forget where it is just now.

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To comment on your orbs I have to say exact or one degree hits in synastry to my oldest friends only started making sense when I discovered Antiscia, like I've written many times before. Everyone had something on the exact antiscia of my DC, whereas before it just looked as if 22-23 Scorpio was the closest conjunction some people had to my 26.09 Sco NN. They say to keep Nodal hits tight in any case so that never seemed to work until suddenly it fit exactly through antiscia. My possibly closest friend's DC was the antiscia of my Sun, too, although in that case there was a 2 degree Uranus-conjunction to both of us from her ASC, Uranus the same as we were born four days apart, but the exact orbs for antiscia between our charts were HOW or WHERE FROM the friendship stemmed.

If it's not close or hit the right things at whoever's end, you're not reading it right? I've wanted to tell some blog owners out there to look at their damn exact antiscia hits instead of going on about the 5-6 degree orbed aspects to some other thing that they claimed was why they were friends with whoever, when no. They had exact hits with antiscia. Of course it helps if the exact hits happen otherwise through "natural" aspects, to be more easily seen, but close hits of some sort seem necessary in any case.

posted December 05, 2014 05:03 PM            

Okay, that's it. You're now my Antiscia go-to gal, Keela. Yeah, my SNODE is 18°AQU03, which I've just now seen that 18°AQU30 is his Huber SNODE (house chart). Be sure to check those, too. It's mind-blowing.

I was floored by the discovery of my VENUS being the contrascia of his MARS, 0°. I think my MOON is the antiscia of his VENUS, too. I forget which exactly, but it IS flabbergasting stuff.

So, huh. 11° Scorpio is the antiscia for 18° Aquarius.

OH JESUS. That's our LEWISCARROLL connexion. Aha! I knew it was there somewhere. It's too strange that his (18°AQU42) is 0°39 conjunct my SNODE, then mine (10°SCO55) is 6° from his SNODE (04°SCO51). Like you, I'm going: 6° orb over here, but then an exact hit there? ... Uhhhh, no.

But that explains it. 19°AQU05 is the antiscia of 10°SCO55; conjunct 18°AQU42, 0°23. Now THAT's what I like to see.

Wow. Quite a statement. That our LEWISCARROLLs are a mirror of each other; the 'shadow' degree. Further that his Huber NODAL axis is 0°30 conjunct mine, and sharing the 18° degree.

posted December 05, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Don't stress the Saturn Return. Really. Consider that the Great Cosmic Schoolmaster is either promoting or holding you back for a reason. If you feel chained and unable to progress, consider reversing your angle and looking behind you. What're you chained to? It's great to keep our eye on the prize, but when it comes to feeling stunted or hindered, it may be more useful to us to switch our focus to what's holding us back.

Until I really allowed myself to delve into my karma, hang ups, and find the roots to my phobias and fears, I was really, really stuck. But, since working in the direction of SATURN, rather than away from it, my life has slowly begun to unfold. I've just had to keep my cool, stay disciplined, and remember what matters. SATURN will always teach you what matters in the sea of minutiae.

So, to return to your metaphor, what is it you're chained to? What might you be able to find or do in order to free yourself from that burden? More importantly, why might you not be quite yet ready for your dreams to be realised and objectives to be met?

There's nothing quite like the Saturn Return to help us understand where it is we're truly going, by forcing us to examine thoroughly where it is we've been.

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Thank you very much for your encouraging words!

It's true - now I look back into the past 2 years and a bit, I have grown a lot, became stronger as a person, definitely more confident, and comfortable to demonstrate my ability to handle things.

What I feel chained to - the biggest two are my relationships and career. Well these two are always the main themes in my life. My career: I love what I do but I want to do more or get higher! I feel stuck (chained!!!) because I don't have enough working experiences or education.. I see so many employment opportunities I WISH I am qualified for!!!

And my man - I love him dearly.. He is perfect.. But there are so many obstacles! Long distance, timing and dealing with ex baggage, our own fears... He is a certified genius but when it comes to relationships, he seems to lose his IQ!! ARGH. I don't know what to do with him...

posted December 06, 2014 07:33 AM            

Antiscia are such a biggie for me!

I also notice that oftentimes wideorbed aspects come with reasonably tight parallels/ contraparallels.

In most cases I honestly haven`t felt transiting orbs exceeding 1 (poss. 2) degrees, at least not the "hot phase".

Exception is if the planet in question is:
a) transiting an aspectual configruation, and in tight orb to some, which draw in the others then

b) transiting a midpoint

I do seem to feel Tr Pluto still, even though it is far off my Venus by now (6 degrees), but it is conjunct my pr ASC and hence opposing pr DESC , so that might be what I am actually feeling.

posted December 06, 2014 11:30 AM            

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Aubyanne
I had a dream about having an OBE or it was a very weird OBE. Anyway, I was in some house and I think I met you there. Let me know if you saw me too

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I WAS in an unfamiliar house last night. I don't recall exactly where it was in terms of surroundings, and my memory was dashed by the shouts of the triathlon taking place down our street.

posted December 06, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay, that's it. You're now my Antiscia go-to gal, Keela. Yeah, my SNODE is 18°AQU03, which I've just now seen that 18°AQU30 is his Huber SNODE (house chart). Be sure to check those, too. It's mind-blowing.

I was floored by the discovery of my VENUS being the contrascia of his MARS, 0°. I think my MOON is the antiscia of his VENUS, too. I forget which exactly, but it IS flabbergasting stuff.

Wow. Quite a statement. That our LEWISCARROLLs are a mirror of each other; the 'shadow' degree. Further that his Huber NODAL axis is 0°30 conjunct mine, and sharing the 18° degree.

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You're welcome/de nada. I always feel ppl likely want to slap me by now when I come in as if the old granny going on and on about the good ole solstice point days and Ye Olde Truthe of Antiscia, Behold, World, Know Ye Ye Truthe. There are some things you end up going on about since they're such a revelation to you, I guess. In my case Moon-Uranus are exact antiscia and Mars-Saturn and Venus-Jupiter still antiscia though not exact. Pluto-Lilith are also antiscia, so... I suppose that gets potentially interesting. My chart has tons of them, so I would like them and how they work.

Huber seems to be your recent revelation, so want to share where you found out about them? Never heard of anything such before this past week when you've been bringing Huber up as a name everywhere I glanced. Link?

You're welcome for the Lewiscarroll dawning. Though come to think of it, I think mine was somewhere around 14-17 Aquarius, too, not quite sure where, so mine'd be near your Aqua stuff as well. ;P My Discovery's on your NN, whatever it's worth.

posted December 06, 2014 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Antiscia are such a biggie for me!

I also notice that oftentimes wideorbed aspects come with reasonably tight parallels/ contraparallels.

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