posted December 16, 2014 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
I don't usually comment on this stuff because I use a different house system, but I will try to adjust what I see in the chart into the system I use in my own head. It seems like most of his planets fill your first house. In my experience that doesn't really inspire much romantic feeling. Anyone who has personal planets filling up my empty first house I tend to have no feelings either way for.

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posted December 16, 2014 03:35 PM            

It seems I ONLY fall for people who put something vital into my 1st house, but then again my 1st house contains Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, NN and Mars is conjunct ASC oh and of course Merucry is my 7th house ruler. lol

For your case, well, your 5th house ruler seems to be Mercury, and it only has an opposition to his Venus. While it could be nice, if it is ONLY the aspect to Venus in a male chart, it might be simply too soft, and actually not cerebral enough (for your Mercury at least).

Your own Venus has no aspects to any of his personal planets. though it trines Uranus-Neptune, but seems this is not enough.

Your Mars has a square to his Sun, that *could* be an indicator of sexual chemistry, but since you seem to have no other YinYang-itnerplay, I suppose here in this case it is more on the annoying than attracting side.

His Mars seems to be unaspected, which might mean that you can`t even really perceive or receive him as a man. I mean you know he is a man, but you can`t quite "feel" it.

Oh did I see this wrong? Is your Mars square his SAturn? With all the other things I said, this could put a serious damper onto any kind of physical chemistry on your side I suppose.

posted December 16, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Have you EVER fallen in love before?

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Yes, or at least I think so. I was sure of it that time, but I have my doubts now. It was platonic (except for one drunk kiss), we were friends, I just yearned for him for a year and gradually it sung out when he didn't return the affection. Now I think it was purely mental, like all made up, pictured, intensified in my head. My friend says I needed this in that particular period of life, that it wasn't really love, but then I get angry, I mean how can she know what I felt at that time? I sure didn't confide it with her at the time. I don't know, I lost the feelings, so it's hard to be sure. I guess I wasn't, otherwise I'd still love him? All I have are warm memories of longing. Jeez, I sure know how to complicate things... Sorry for this confusing answer.

No, I was.

There was also my one and only, big childhood love, and it was all longing and fantasizing. For years, literally.

Anyway, are you maybe suggesting I don't know when I'm in love?

Maybe I undervalue these two loves because they're long gone and because they were purely platonic in their manifestation. Maybe now I just need more physical contact...

posted December 16, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Heartily disagree with the 1st house= disinterest.

It seems I ONLY fall for people who put something vital into my 1st house, but then again my 1st house contains Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, NN and Mars is conjunct ASC oh and of course Merucry is my 7th house ruler. lol

For your case, well, your 5th house ruler seems to be Mercury, and it only has an opposition to his Venus. While it could be nice, if it is ONLY the aspect to Venus in a male chart, it might be simply too soft, and actually not cerebral enough (for your Mercury at least).

Your own Venus has no aspects to any of his personal planets. though it trines Uranus-Neptune, but seems this is not enough.

Your Mars has a square to his Sun, that *could* be an indicator of sexual chemistry, but since you seem to have no other YinYang-itnerplay, I suppose here in this case it is more on the annoying than attracting side.

His Mars seems to be unaspected, which might mean that you can`t even really perceive or receive him as a man. I mean you know he is a man, but you can`t quite "feel" it.

Oh did I see this wrong? Is your Mars square his SAturn? With all the other things I said, this could put a serious damper onto any kind of physical chemistry on your side I suppose.

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Well yes. That's why I mentioned that I feel nothing when their planets are in my "empty first house". If you have personal planets there then in synastry the partner's planets will be making close contacts to yours. But the first house thing- that's just been my own experience. I don't know if others with empty first houses have the same experience so maybe people will share.

posted December 16, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Maybe you need tension to develop romantic feelings. I can imagine how frustrating it is not to be able to fall for someone who's perfect on paper and (probably) has a crush on you.

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I don't want to believe he has a crush on me, that would be awful, I would gradually start avoiding him, but I don't wanna, I wanna hang out with him. He might be the only guy (besides my gay friend) with whom I can have serious conversations

And, why on earth do we human beings want tension, why this silly need for drama and turmoil?? It might be true for me... Either it's platonic yearning from afar or ... probably unconsciously wanting, needing tension for something "tangible" to develop. I don't want to be like that. But I always end up rejecting really nice guys.

posted December 16, 2014 04:31 PM            

I DO think you may have an internal psychological conflict. If a relationship might promise true intimacy, it's outside of the realm of pure fantasy and may pose a threat.

posted December 16, 2014 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Heartily disagree with the 1st house= disinterest.

It seems I ONLY fall for people who put something vital into my 1st house, but then again my 1st house contains Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, NN and Mars is conjunct ASC oh and of course Merucry is my 7th house ruler. lol

For your case, well, your 5th house ruler seems to be Mercury, and it only has an opposition to his Venus. While it could be nice, if it is ONLY the aspect to Venus in a male chart, it might be simply too soft, and actually not cerebral enough (for your Mercury at least).

Your own Venus has no aspects to any of his personal planets. though it trines Uranus-Neptune, but seems this is not enough.

Your Mars has a square to his Sun, that *could* be an indicator of sexual chemistry, but since you seem to have no other YinYang-itnerplay, I suppose here in this case it is more on the annoying than attracting side.

His Mars seems to be unaspected, which might mean that you can`t even really perceive or receive him as a man. I mean you know he is a man, but you can`t quite "feel" it.

Oh did I see this wrong? Is your Mars square his SAturn? With all the other things I said, this could put a serious damper onto any kind of physical chemistry on your side I suppose.

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No wonder you're a great fan of first house, those planets having a ball in it, yearning for some more company I bet you like some Uranus to aggrandize the fun

Everything you wrote is spot on. I've got a really pretentious Mercury, he's got a lot going on and expects a lot... but it's funny our communication is great. But yeah, it also got the love dimension included - fifth house, Virgo intercepted in seventh, ruler of Venus... Mercury probably plays a huge role.

Yup, I overlooked Venus... Don't know what was I thinking. A decent Libra needs some Venusian love. There's his Pluto almost exact trine, but that's also probably not enough...

Hmm, when I think about it... I did notice some more feminine features on him (not that I think there's anything wrong with that, I don't mind them on some men in some forms), maybe it just turns me off. It's funny, he doesn't lack no characteristics that in my opinion make a man, or at least I can't put my finger on them. But what about his Mars on my Ascendant and its square to my Pluto/SunMoon MP? I mean I do feel some kind of sexual vibe from him, but I don't receive it well or simply just ignore it in a friendly way. Might be that Saturn square. It's just too harsh, considering my chart has no Saturn squares.

But look at my Lilith having a blast with his Chiron, Sun and Saturn he shall not have me, no, no, no...

I checked our most exact aspect (of course excluding his Moon) and it's his Saturn inconjunct my Sun 0,02. Damper.

Thanks Ceri for this nice analysis

posted December 16, 2014 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Actually, that is quite common. World literature is full of stories where people, male and female, do not recognize love even though it's right in front of their eyes. Many movies were made about this topic too. I think sometimes, people grow up with some sort of romantic notion of what "falling in love" would be like, and then, when this preconceived thing doesn't happen, they conclude what they feel for someone could not be love…others only realize they had actually fallen in love with hindsight, after the person suddenly becomes unavailable, or dies, and through the loss of something they deemed readily available and didn't therefore value very highly, they suddenly understand their own feelings better. Myself, I had in one case to be told I had fallen in love, because I honestly couldn't put a label on that altered state of consciousness; other people - friends and family - realized it earlier, and kindly told me. They turned out to be correct

Not saying this is what's going on in your case by any means; just wanted to mention that it is perfectly possible to not realize immediately where one stands with regard to another human being.

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I agree, wholeheartedly. The cultural conceptions of love between lovers are sometimes so onedimensional, it's hard not to get influenced by them, even project them in your psyche. And yet, emotions are so complex, we can not possibly imagine we'll recognize and define them all. Although I might be guilty of being presumptuous and believing I know myself deep down and thoroughly. I do read LL regularly to liberate myself of this kind of fixation.

Sometimes close friends know you better. It was true in your case and I might just start listening to my best friend more I know when I'm angry about something she said, she probably said something true about me.

It's just that... one naively presumes he has the right and the ability to experience immense passion and devotion when falling in love. One just doesn't realize what others experience might not be molded into his soul... his soul will know it's own way.

I might be reading too much of "intense love, soul twins, karmic bonds" here on LL, it might not be healthy for me. Maybe I'm just being cynical now. But then again, I don't really expect fireworks and such fairy tales. I do have a healthy look on a down to earth kind of love, don't I? Maybe not as much as I would like to.

posted December 16, 2014 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Mercury trine Neptune...

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posted December 16, 2014 05:36 PM            

I have a Pisces DSC and Sun conjunct Neptune and I honestly don't know if I'll ever be in a relationship. More likely not. **** happens.

posted December 16, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Aubyanne, this makes me sad, probably because I've suspected it for some time. I didn't expect this direct and precise answer, I really thought it was all about synastry. It probably is me. I've always known it deep inside. But what can I do? Can I at least pretend everything is going to be normal, that I'll fall in love just like everybody, have family, kids etc. I would like to, no, I really want to. Everybody else believes I will anyway. And I do believe, at least on paper. I know I'm stuck in my head, fantasies aren't taking me anywhere, as soon as a suitable, interested suitor comes along I either immediately find incorrigible flaws or when they are "perfect" like this friend, I push them away. I must get out of my head, and get a grip on reality, I know. But I don't have the will, the determination, even motivation to find me someone, whom I not see as my life companion at the beginning. I just can't do. And then the circle closes.
The problem is, this has never been much of a problem to me. I just didn't want a relationship. But now I do. I want to go according to plan, I want intimacy, I want someone who'll know not only my mind, but also my heart and flesh.

I'm sorry. It's a synastry thread. Let's just close it with this. Don't want to derail it.

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I know you wanted to close the subject but I couldn't help but react to this so you can do whatever you want with what I am going to say...
I looked at your chart and judging from your NN and pluto you're younger than me, which means that well you must be in your early twenties.
And I don't think that just because you doubt you have ever been in love, you're not capable of it.
Besides what do you base yourself on to say that maybe it wasn't love ? Because if was platonic, because you were just friends, because it was a long time ago?

I think this man is younger than you right? Maybe the age difference is an unconscious big deal for you? (sorry if this sounds stupid but I know some girls refuse to date guys younger than them and just don't feel attracted to them)
Besides, even if we meet someone that sound perfect according to our book, we are not going to necessarily fall for them. Attraction works in different ways than this.

posted December 17, 2014 02:56 AM            

His Moon is in your 7th house and so he presses some of your partnership buttons. If you wrote a list of what you like he would match a good deal of the descriptions. His Moon in your 7th house also trines your own Sagittarius Moon and so you feel totally comfortable with each other on a spontaneous emotional level. But there’s something missing. I’m not seeing his planets matching any of the rest of your attraction pattern… Your 5th and 8th houses, and their rulers, and your Mars.

His Leo Moon in your 7th house is the only part that seems to match. The result is that he feels like he should be a good match but the passionate chemistry is lacking. This creates a little bit of conflict in you because part of you wishes that you were in love with him because of the good qualities that he does have which you like.

posted December 17, 2014 03:31 AM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
I don't usually comment on this stuff because I use a different house system, but I will try to adjust what I see in the chart into the system I use in my own head. It seems like most of his planets fill your first house. In my experience that doesn't really inspire much romantic feeling. Anyone who has personal planets filling up my empty first house I tend to have no feelings either way for.

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No way I have to disagree with this...1st house overlays are among the best. The mutual attraction and compatibility, if the aspects are good, is the best. That huge stellium there shows me he likes you and admires you and loves you a lot. He is a fan. And you probably feel your true self, but at the same a star in his presence. Probably you just take this a bit for granted, at some point in the future you will appreciate him more, either you stay together or not. You don't have romantic aspects here however, most of them are friendship aspects. The overlays are the best part of the synastry, and that Venus/Merc opp (in terms of attraction). The rest are friendship aspects. Your Sun is unaspected too, not to mention your Jupiter, so you feel something crucial is missing, because with these two major planets unaspected, it really is.

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posted December 17, 2014 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
well, your DSC ruler Sun is unaspected by his planets. None. Nothing about his personality picks your interest or fits your idea of ideal partner..

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posted December 17, 2014 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No way I have to disagree with this...1st house overlays are among the best. The mutual attraction and compatibility, if the aspects are good, is the best. That huge stellium there shows me he likes you and admires you and loves you a lot. He is a fan....

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