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Aubyanne
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posted January 02, 2015 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The question was, does one's outer planet conjunct a personal planet have an individual -- rather than generational -- effect in synastry.

This is just my story, but I felt it's apropos, as it's illustrates, in my view, PLUTO conjunct SUN. In our case, 0°00.

Yes. To the minute. Retrograde.

Being born in 1980, I'm of the PLUTO in the early 20° degrees of Libra. And, with my SUN right at 19° Libra, it's hit squarely within 2° with all of my peers. You'd think I might feel constantly intimidated, fear manipulations, and intuit power plays with anyone from 1980-1981.

I don't.

Since my SUN is there, I'm a SUN conjunct PLUTO, 2°. I've learnt the tricks of the transformation trade, and I am, to be sure, a bit of a bad ass. It had to be developed; I had to go through the trials and tribulations.

They began with a young man at the age of sixteen. Born in 1979, his PLUTO is, as aforementioned, 0°00 my SUN.

Within seconds of our meeting, he was obsessed. He had to have me, and was not above intimidation tactics and violent threats to achieve that end. He was also, technically, a multiple homicide offender. I hesitate to use the term 'serial killer' as I don't recall the details of his murders. To this day, I toss about likelihood of certain signatures in my head, almost as a nervous activity.

After I rejected his advances (politely!) and began dating the man who would be my boyfriend for that spring and summer; he would tell me, out of the blue, 'I killed you before; I might have to do it again.'

Those words, in essence, changed my life. My career path. My destiny.

I was intending to study physics. Modern physics -- theoretical, specifically quantum. I was going to minor in theatre. Psychology is my background, but it became the foreground -- fast. The chief focus. I'd go on to build my own degree in Forensic Psychology at a prestigious college. That was going to lead me to the FBI -- but, you know how things go.

I wasn't sure how to respond. No one did. They already knew he was -- well, hardly psychotic -- but undeniably bold. Shocking. Brilliant and deeply troubled. That's a bad combo.

My poor SUN came along, and his PLUTO locked on to it with a death grip.

I'd recall those years a bit like Christine Daae must've felt in Leroux's classic tale, facing off against the mad genius Erik, the 'phantom of the Palais Garnier'. He would both stalk me and strike terror in those who treated me with anything less than utmost respect. Bullies quickly found themselves facing certain death if they dared do harm to me. And yet, so did my boyfriend at the time.

Our first date was cancelled on account of his being run out of his lane, head-on colliding with a truck in the opposite one. Severe case of whiplash, and a totalled hatchback.

Or, as Mr Pluto said, 'if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.' Gaily. He was practically skipping, relaying the news of my boyfriend's being home from school to recover from the accident.

I ... had no words. My head spun; it was surreal. There I was in the hallway, as we were all going to our classes, and staring, dumbstruck, in his wake. I had no idea what to do, either. My boyfriend was understandably terrified. He wasn't sure if he really wanted to chance taking on his ire again. The administration was a corrupt force of greed. He came from a very wealthy family (as did we all) and were willing to turn a blind eye to a student's homicidal history and willingness towards recidivism.

I could run, or I could face it. I'd been an astrologer for several years. Never had I fathomed I'd meet anyone whose PLUTO would conjoin my SUN to the minute. The fact that I had was hardly coincidence.

I asked him what he wanted. Me, of course. Well, that wasn't happening. He wanted control. He also craved companionship and acceptance. Understanding. He needed another genius to look beyond the horror of what he had done.

He needed a profiler.

And that's what I became. I needed to. I was afraid; there were demons I couldn't face. I didn't know how -- until him.

I played the Starling to his Lecter; I was the captive audience for the remainder of his matriculation. And, in turn, he left my boyfriend -- well, ex-boyfriend, whom he'd properly pegged for a narcissist -- alone.

He would, however, appear from seemingly nowhere when circumstances left me to a moment with a former attacker -- alone. Suffice it to say, he feared for his life -- and never came around again.

A year later, I was graduating, at the top of the school. He had since enrolled in the military in a programme for officer training. Special forces, I'd heard, 'through the wire'. But that final week, he went to each of the dozen or so classrooms, finally locating me. He wanted to personally extend congratulations. Someone with a loud mouth stated which university I was going to attend, and, that the FBI had taken interest in me.

Ohhhhh, how the twinkle in his eyes danced. 'I guess we'll be seeing each other again sooner than I thought.'

And he left. Behind him, hand gestures of 'crazy' and 'what a weirdo' among others. One of my classmates specifically turned to me and said, 'has he always been that creepy?' I told him that he had.

Yet somehow no one except those who caught his anger had any idea. He was just, y'know -- quiet. Weird. An oddball. Smart but strange. I'm 'just their type', it would seem.

That, to me, is the aspect, in a nutshell through the lens of my personal experience.

To me, it was a waving red flag, soaked with destiny. It made me what I became. A trial by fire which I survived. To this day, I've been told I was foolish and too brazen to think for a minute he wouldn't kill me. But I knew, somehow, that's not what he wanted.

He wanted control -- of me, of my destiny. He had a karmic agreement to bring me to face my demons and become the monster hunter I am today.

I'm grateful. He'll always rile an ire within me that demands to know why, or wants to put a bullet into his skull. But I can never deny what he did for me; the way it changed my life. Changed me.

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posted January 03, 2015 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"First monster?" You mean there are others? That's quite a story, Aubyanne.

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Aubyanne
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posted January 03, 2015 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
peony,

Well, I did go on to train in criminology, studying the field of profiling and cutting my teeth in academia as a result. Specifically, interviewing violent offenders for a study operated and funded by the DOJ.

But there's always 'your first' -- in this sense, as well. And, indeed, they shape you.

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posted January 03, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
peony,

Well, I did go on to train in criminology, studying the field of profiling and cutting my teeth in academia as a result. Specifically, interviewing violent offenders for a study operated and funded by the DOJ.

But there's always 'your first' -- in this sense, as well. And, indeed, they shape you.


Oh, I see. Aubyanne, when I read this, I thought Saturn was involved, which it wasn't in your natal. But, solar arc Saturn joined your Sun-Pluto in or around your 16th year or in the year following.

If those squares below your post are charts, I'm not able to open them.

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posted January 05, 2015 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne, you've indicated the impact of this man on your life. Given that the Sun-Pluto conjunction in synastry is said to have a profound effect on both people, what was your impact on him, i.e., your Sun on his Pluto? Did his joining Special Forces mark a turning point in his life and did he find a more positive way to channel his Pluto as a result of your time with him? Come to think of it, maybe not, military in my view is state sponsored murder.

Your post reminded me of a similar dynamic I came across in Dion Fortune's "Demon Lover," but with a distinctive difference in that the demon lover of the title had occult abilities, making him dangerous on a whole other level, if you take my meaning. Another example of the Sun-Pluto dynamic with the woman acting as a redemptive agent.

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posted January 05, 2015 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This wouldn't be just the Sun/Pluto. It's all so psychologically complex and your individual natal charts tell at least half the story.

I was talking about the Sun/Pluto conjunction on another thread. I also have it in synastry and the orb is very close. He is 3 years younger so he doesn't have it in natal. I'm the Pluto and I am purely disinterested. I have nothing against him, but he is not my type and I don't want to date him at all. I feel no obsession... I literally feel nothing. He's just another guy to me.

I've been looking into Chinese astrology and I think my disinterest has to do with me being an intense Tiger and him being a 'sort of' superficial Snake.
Since you are born in the same year - you would have the same Chinese sign. This could make your Western synastry more attractive imo

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posted January 05, 2015 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
This wouldn't be just the Sun/Pluto.

I've been looking into Chinese astrology and I think my disinterest has to do with me being an intense Tiger and him being a 'sort of' superficial Snake.

Since you are born in the same year - you would have the same Chinese sign. This could make your Western synastry more attractive imo


I have an exact S/P conjunct the ASC. When that conjunction gets triggered in synastry by Pluto with someone I have history with, it's "just an earthquake." lol

This sounds like the Chinese equivalent of Sun sign astrology.

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posted January 05, 2015 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
peony,

Well, I did go on to train in criminology, studying the field of profiling and cutting my teeth in academia as a result. Specifically, interviewing violent offenders for a study operated and funded by the DOJ.


This sounds like Saturn-Pluto to me with Mercury in the mix, or a Pluto transit in the 3H.

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posted January 05, 2015 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic Aubyanne-
Don't know if I ever told you but my sadistic step fathers leo Pluto and Mars were exact conjunct, both making an exact square to my scorp/taurus NN/SN axis.

A miss step for me in someway that was trying to be corrected?? Not sure but I've found it to be a bit eery!

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Aubyanne
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posted January 05, 2015 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by peony:
I have an exact S/P conjunct the ASC. When that conjunction gets triggered in synastry by Pluto with someone I have history with, it's "just an earthquake." lol

This sounds like the Chinese equivalent of Sun sign astrology.


Wow! That's quite an aspect!

As to the Chinese system, I'm not the biggest fan. It's just never REALLY given me that 'wow' experience.

Technically, he's '79, too. So, not the same Chinese sign.

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posted January 07, 2015 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in Virgo in the 12th?

Kore's abduction into the Underworld.

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