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Topic: Individualized synastry aspects
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 10:58 AM
With that I mean, translating the interaspect into house-ruler aspects. Treat each planet in its house-ruler-function . For example: Sun conjunct Saturn Sun rules 7th house in one chart, and Saturn rules the 1st house in the other chart. So 7th house ruler conjuncts 1st house ruler, which translating it into planetary counterparts would be a little like
Venus conjunct Mars (of course houses and planets are not identical or totally the same, but they have enough parallels and similiarities to justify this method).
For example my natal Mars-Neptune-conjunction is actually a conjunction of 4th and 3rd house ruler, and could be read as MOon-Mercury-conjunction (of course with the underlying basis of Mars-Neptune).
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 11:01 AM
Of course it means that the Uranus, Neptune, Pluto aspects will be VERY personal and individual as they relate back to aspecgts of 11th, 12th and 8th house ruler. For example: the ruler of 8th house conjunct the ruler of 12th house could be read as Pluto-Neptune-conjunction, which, if it were REALLY the planets, would be so generational we would not even care to mention it probably. However snce the houses are SO individual, the psychology of Pluto-Neptune or 8th-12th house will be VERY personal here. IP: Logged |
VestaFlake Knowflake Posts: 115 From: 5th house Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 08, 2015 11:44 AM
hmmmm.. lemme see.Our uranus conj. mercury, takes place at 8th and 2nd houses and mars conj. mars at 5th and 11th houses respectively. Both these conjunctions are at opposite houses, so what's your theory on that? edit: oh just looked back to you example and so you would translate them as venus conjunct pluto and sun conjunct uranus. right? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 9599 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 08, 2015 12:23 PM
Awesome!!Looking at my synastry, I see: Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry Mercury conj Pluto my 5th/8th ruler, his 3rd ruler Sun conj Mercury Pluto conj Mercury the sign conjunction is reinforced by the house conjunction Neptune conj Neptune, that's an interesting one my 2nd ruler, his 7th ruler Venus conj Venus Venus quincunx Venus in synastry Uranus conj Uranus 1st ruler, his 5th ruler Mars conj Sun - already have this as a wide opp Jupiter conj Sun my 11th ruler, his 11th ruler Uranus conj Uranus, ain't that cool? Sun opp Sun my 7th ruler, his 11th ruler Venus opp Uranus
Moon opp Venus my 7th ruler, his 2nd/9th ruler Venus conj Venus AGAIN Venus conj Jupiter Pluto conj Pluto 10th ruler/3rd ruler Saturn conj Mercury It looks a bit unusual, the many same planet conjunctions. What do you think it means, this conjunction flavor?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 01:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry
Ah BINGO, we have that, too. So that is interesting. Just where it is for you Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-Neptune. Mercury rules his 3rd, Neptune rules mine. I DO think while in both synastries having a conjunction of 3rd house rulers brings of course communication to the table, and might - subtly, to a certain extent- be experienced almost like a Mercury-Mercury-conjunction, the underlying aspect will still modify this a lot. So for you the 3rd house connection comes under the signum of Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-NEptune. Which might make the two of you more probin, intense, maybe even transformative and manipulative to a degree (at least powerful agents of change), when it comes to communication. For us well most of all it brings the confusion to mind. All those things never spoken, though probably it is my fault (I am the Neptune part, 3rd house cusp in Pisces). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 01:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It looks a bit unusual, the many same planet conjunctions. What do you think it means, this conjunction flavor?
yes looks unusual, but it is another layer of the synastry, and will indicate areas that are of importance and how they are experienced. Just weaving a more intricate tapestry. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 01:12 PM
Vesta Flake, I was actually meaning the RULER of these houses, not the planets in the houses (though that would be the next step, really). The ruler of a house shows how you are actively manifesting the energy of the house, which can happen anywhere really. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 08, 2015 03:10 PM
Let me have a look at my own Sun conjunct Sun r6, r9 Mercury conjunct Jupiter
Sun conjunct Mercury r6, r7 Mercury conjunct Venus Moon conjunct Sun r5, r9 Sun conjunct Jupiter
Moon conjunct Mercury r5, r7 Sun conjunct Venus Mercury conjunct Mars r3-4-7; r4 Mercury conjunct Moon Moon conjunct Moon Venus conjunct Moon Mercury conjunct Neptune r3-4-7, r3 Mercury conjunct Mercury Moon conjunct Mercury Venus conjunct Mercury Mars opposite Jupiter r1, r1 Mars opposite Mars Jupiter opposite Jupiter r10, r1 Saturn opposite Mars Neptune conjunct Sun wide (5°29) r1, r9 Mars conjunct Jupiter Neptune conjunct Mercury r1, r7 Mars conjunct Venus also Mercury conjunct NN r3-4-7 Mercury conjunct NN Moon conjunct NN Venus conjunct NN Mercury conjunct ASC Mercury conjunct ASC Moon conjunct ASC Venus conjunct ASC MC conjunct Sun MC-r9 MC conjunct Jupiter
MC conjunct MErcury (r7) MC conjunct Venus if we are also using traditional rulership:
Mars opposite Jupiter r1-8, r1-3 Mars opposite Mars Mars opposite Mercury Pluto opposite Mars Pluto opposite Mercury Jupiter opposite Jupiter r10-1; r1-3 Saturn opposite Mars Saturn opposite Mercury Mars opposite Mars Mars opposite Merucry Mercury conjunct Mars r3-4-7; r4-11-12 Mercury conjunct Moon Mercury conjunct Uranus Mercury conjunct Neptune Moon conjunct Moon Moon conjunct Uranus Moon conjunct Neptune Venus conjunct Moon Venus conjunct Uranus Venus conjunct Neptune IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1125 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted January 08, 2015 04:33 PM
Lets give it a try! Our personalized synastry: He first: Sun trine Jupiter (1Hr - 4hr) = Mars trine Moon Sun square Uranus (1hr - 6hr) = Mars square Mercury Mercury opp Sun (3hr - 12hr) = Mercury opposite Neptune Mercury square Saturn (3hr - 5hr)= Mercury square Sun Venus quincunx Venus (4hr - 2hr) = Moon quincunx Venus exact Venus quincunx Moon (4hr - 11hr)= Moob quincunx Uranus Venus square Mars (4hr - 8hr) = Moon square Pluto exact Venus sextile Neptune (4hr - 7hr)= Moon sextile Venus Venus trine Pluto (4hr - 3hr)= Moon trine Mercury Venus conjunct DSC (4hr) Moon conjunct DSC Jupiter square Mercury (5hcr - 1hr)= Sun square Mars Jupiter square Venus (5hcr - 2hr)= Sun square Venus Jupiter conjunct Neptune (5hcr - 7hr) Sun conjunct Venus exact Saturn square Moon (3hr - 11hr)= Mercury square Uranus Saturn conjunct Pluto (6hr - 3hr)= Mercury conjunct Mercury exact Uranus trine Moon (7,8hr - 11hr) Venus/Pluto trine Uranus exact Uranus sextile Mercury (7,8hr - 1hr) Venus/Pluto sextile Mars exact Uranus sextile Venus (7,8hr - 2hr) Venus/Pluto sextile Venus exact Uranus opposite Mars (7,8hr - 8hr) Venus/Pluto opposite Pluto exact Uranus trine Jupiter (7,8hr - 4hr)= Venus/Pluto trine Moon Uranus square ASC (7,8hr) Venus/Pluto square ASC exact ASC conjunct Jupiter (4hr) ASC conjunct Moon IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1125 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted January 08, 2015 04:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Ah BINGO, we have that, too. So that is interesting. Just where it is for you Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-Neptune.Mercury rules his 3rd, Neptune rules mine. I DO think while in both synastries having a conjunction of 3rd house rulers brings of course communication to the table, and might - subtly, to a certain extent- be experienced almost like a Mercury-Mercury-conjunction, the underlying aspect will still modify this a lot. So for you the 3rd house connection comes under the signum of Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-NEptune. Which might make the two of you more probin, intense, maybe even transformative and manipulative to a degree (at least powerful agents of change), when it comes to communication. For us well most of all it brings the confusion to mind. All those things never spoken, though probably it is my fault (I am the Neptune part, 3rd house cusp in Pisces).
Count me in with Mercury conjunct Mercury!That's why we're so in tune. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1789 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 09, 2015 01:55 AM
Yup, this is pretty much one of my favorite things to do.IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9406 From: Mordor Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 09, 2015 05:17 AM
If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 9599 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 09, 2015 01:24 PM
I'm more interested if this house aspects reflect the sign aspects, so I'll look at the synastry from this perspective.Thus we have the already mentioned aspects Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry Mercury conj Pluto my 5th/8th ruler, his 3rd ruler Sun conj Mercury Pluto conj Mercury the sign conjunction is reinforced by the house conjunction Neptune conj Neptune, that's an interesting one my 2nd ruler, his 7th ruler Venus conj Venus Venus quincunx Venus in synastry Uranus conj Uranus 1st ruler, his 5th ruler Mars conj Sun - already have this as a wide opp Jupiter conj Sun my 11th ruler, his 11th ruler Uranus conj Uranus, ain't that cool? Sun opp Sun my 7th ruler, his 11th ruler Venus opp Uranus
Moon opp Venus my 7th ruler, his 2nd/9th ruler Venus conj Venus AGAIN Venus conj Jupiter Pluto conj Pluto 10th ruler/3rd ruler Saturn conj Mercury PLUS Venus trine Mars - translating as Venus trine Mercury, Venus trine Jupiter(we have Venus/Mercury and Jupiter/Venus DW in synastry) Venus sq Mars translating as Moon sq Pluto, Venus sq Jupiter (Venus/Jupiter dW in synastry, Moon/Pluto Dw in synastry, composite Moon conj Pluto) Venus sq Neptune - Moon sq Venus, Venus sq Venus (Moon Venus DW in synastry, Venus/Venus aspect) Mars sq Jupiter - Pluto sq Uranus Moon conj MC - Saturn conj Saturn, another pair of same planet here Venus sextile Neptune - Venus sextile Venus, Jupiter sextile Venus again Venus trine Pluto - Venus trine Mercury, Jupiter trine Mercury again Mars trine Pluto - Pluto trine Mercury, mercury/Pluto DW in synastry Mars trine Mercury - Pluto trine Sun, Pluto trine Pluto - already have Pluto conj Pluto in synastry Moon sextile Sun - Saturn sextile Venus Moon sq Moon - Saturn sq Venus Moon trine Saturn - Venus trine Moon (Venus/Moon DW in synastry) Sun trine Saturn - Uranus trine Moon (Moon quintile Uranus in synastry, Sun/Moon/Saturn DW in synastry) these are just a few examples it seems that 90% of these aspects replicate already existent synastric aspects ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 9599 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 09, 2015 01:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.
yes, I would look at them this way. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 1955 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted January 09, 2015 10:42 PM
My 7th house ruler conjuncts his 1st house ruler, exact at 0'01 ( Moon/ Pluto) I like this contact between our 1/7 rulers. It is felt strongly. Its like a Venus/ Mars aspect. On top of that, his Mars is in my 7th, which is like Venus/ Mars again. And, his Venus conjuncts my ASC, another Venus/Mars theme. His 7th house ruler conjuncts my 8th house ruler. This should be like a Venus/ Pluto connection. My Venus conjuncts his IC in his 4th. That's like a Moon/ Venus link. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 10, 2015 07:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.
Yes, I remember Christine Rakela did that in her book, calling them Mars-point (ASC) and Venus-point (DESC). IMO they are not compeltely identical, there are certain modifications, but similiar enough to justify this method. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 10, 2015 07:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: My 7th house ruler conjuncts his 1st house ruler, exact at 0'01 ( Moon/ Pluto) I like this contact between our 1/7 rulers. It is felt strongly. Its like a Venus/ Mars aspect. On top of that, his Mars is in my 7th, which is like Venus/ Mars again. And, his Venus conjuncts my ASC, another Venus/Mars theme.
Yes, it`s about themes and patterns. And that one is a strong one for relationships IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 1955 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted January 10, 2015 09:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, it`s about themes and patterns. And that one is a strong one for relationships
thanks, Ceri I am addicted to house rulers, so sensitive in synastry.. like a bulb of a flower - holds the vital information of the house IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 10, 2015 09:52 AM
Yes, I do think so too. Mr Sag and me have for example: his 7th house conjunct my ASC his 7th house ruler square my 1st house ruler (7-11 mutable) his ASC square my 7th ruler his 1st ruler conjunct my 7th ruler (20-25 mutable) Yesterday, during the concert, Moon was transiting 9-11 mutable. It`s really uncanny.
(our first meeting chart`s ASC is on 10 mutable and our progressed composite Moon on 10 mutable conjunct natal composite Jupiter by 3 minutes). Almost looks like a clockwork. lol
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 1955 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted January 10, 2015 10:08 AM
Did he sing the song you chose?How was the concert? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 17663 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 10, 2015 10:20 AM
Nope, did not. Was out of his vocal range, or maybe he did not want to. The concert was, I am not exactly sure, what it was, pretty good definitely. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 1955 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted January 10, 2015 01:12 PM
So, LoLo was right with her card reading then.. Hmm. I may want to check her card readingsIP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 9599 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 10, 2015 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: So, LoLo was right with her card reading then.. Hmm. I may want to check her card readings
Aha...you've been peeking Of course, anytime lol ------------------
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meissieri Knowflake Posts: 1288 From: Neptune with my LL ladies... and commuting between Chiron, Moon & Saturn Registered: Feb 2013
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posted January 19, 2015 05:31 AM
Yes, I've noticed this in charts as well! Even in just my own natal, it really plays out. My 7th house ruler is conjunct Mercury, giving me a lot of attraction to people with Gemini planets, angles or 3rd house or Mercury strong. But Mercury also rules my 9th and 12th house. I'm very attracted to foreigners (or if my last attraction was, then suddenly someone from the same culture), someone whom I can learn from and who can learn from me. And it sadly definitely brought me some 12th house suffering (besides having Venus in the 12th). So that's all the mutable signs (H7 ruler is in Virgo) and these are what gets my attention first. My 5th house ruler is tucked into a stellium with Saturn, IC, Moon and Neptune, so that's Pisces again and the Cancer/Cap axis. They rule my 4th, 10th and 6th house. Daily life is important to me and I've always known I want my relationships to be public (10th house) - being kept hidden makes me super unhappy despite those 12th house connections. Though I don't need to show off/shput it off the rooftops, I do want my partner to be included in my life, my family and friends know him, etc. Noticed stuff in synastry, too. It's very interesting! From the top of my head, I remember my Mars being conjunct the ruler of his 8th and 10th exact, giving it a Mars-Pluto and Mars-Saturn vibe. But Mars also rules my 7th house, so it also feels like having a Venus-Pluto and Venus-Saturn conjunction with him (or even him putting Saturn and Pluto into my 7th house). Mars is the traditional ruler of my 2nd house, so it feels like Venus in aspect to his planets again. Quite intense, right? You know what the actual aspect is? Mars conjunct Mercury. Yes, that's right, not exactly known as a classic romance aspect. But those two rulers give it a much heavier flavour. (Lucky for him, I have a Cap stellium and Venus semi-square Pluto, so I like this kind of synastry.) IP: Logged |
meissieri Knowflake Posts: 1288 From: Neptune with my LL ladies... and commuting between Chiron, Moon & Saturn Registered: Feb 2013
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posted January 19, 2015 05:48 AM
And other house ruler conjunctions:Sun conjunct Venus one way: Sun rules his 10th, Venus rules my 1st and 8th. Feels like Saturn-Mars and Saturn-Pluto. But his Sun is also conjunct my 1st/8th ruler. And my Venus conjunct his 10th house ruler. Sun conjunct Venus the other way: Sun rules my 11th, Venus his 7th, 11th and 12th. Feels like Uranus-Venus, Uranus-Uranus and Uranus-Neptune. Also feels like: my Sun conjunct his 7th, 11th and 12th. his Venus conjunct my 11th. Uranus conjunct Neptune: His Uranus co-rules his 3rd house (Aquarius intercepted). My Neptune rules my 6th house. So Mercury-Mercury. Not one of the classic romance aspects, but it does make two generational planets a lot more personal. Uranus conjunct Neptune other way: Uranus rules my 5th Neptune rules his 4th So it gives it a flavour of a Sun-Moon conjunction, which is very nice and personal. Neptune conjunct Moon: Neptune rules his 4th Moon rules my 10th Moon-Saturn is another classic, binding synastry aspect. Neptune conjunct Neptune: Neptune rules his 4th Neptune rules my 6th. Even the same two generational planets make this conjunction feel more personal. Neptune conjunct Saturn: Neptune rules his 4th Saturn rules my 4th Lovely IC rulers conjunct makes for a very deep bond. We can tell each other anything. Uranus conjunct Saturn: Uranus - intercepted ruler of his 3rd Saturn rules my 4th. So yes, always check which houses generational planets rule, it can be super personal, intimate and romantic for someone who has it ruling their IC or one of the romance houses.
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