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Ceridwen
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posted January 08, 2015 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With that I mean, translating the interaspect into house-ruler aspects.

Treat each planet in its house-ruler-function .

For example:

Sun conjunct Saturn

Sun rules 7th house in one chart, and Saturn rules the 1st house in the other chart.


So 7th house ruler conjuncts 1st house ruler, which translating it into planetary counterparts would be a little like

Venus conjunct Mars


(of course houses and planets are not identical or totally the same, but they have enough parallels and similiarities to justify this method).


For example my natal Mars-Neptune-conjunction is actually a conjunction of 4th and 3rd house ruler, and could be read as MOon-Mercury-conjunction (of course with the underlying basis of Mars-Neptune).


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posted January 08, 2015 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it means that the Uranus, Neptune, Pluto aspects will be VERY personal and individual as they relate back to aspecgts of 11th, 12th and 8th house ruler.

For example: the ruler of 8th house conjunct the ruler of 12th house could be read as Pluto-Neptune-conjunction, which, if it were REALLY the planets, would be so generational we would not even care to mention it probably.

However snce the houses are SO individual, the psychology of Pluto-Neptune or 8th-12th house will be VERY personal here.

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posted January 08, 2015 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestaFlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmmm.. lemme see.

Our uranus conj. mercury, takes place at 8th and 2nd houses and mars conj. mars at 5th and 11th houses respectively.

Both these conjunctions are at opposite houses, so what's your theory on that?

edit: oh just looked back to you example and so you would translate them as

venus conjunct pluto and
sun conjunct uranus.
right?

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posted January 08, 2015 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome!!

Looking at my synastry, I see:

Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry

Mercury conj Pluto
my 5th/8th ruler, his 3rd ruler
Sun conj Mercury
Pluto conj Mercury
the sign conjunction is reinforced by the house conjunction

Neptune conj Neptune, that's an interesting one
my 2nd ruler, his 7th ruler
Venus conj Venus
Venus quincunx Venus in synastry

Uranus conj Uranus
1st ruler, his 5th ruler
Mars conj Sun - already have this as a wide opp

Jupiter conj Sun
my 11th ruler, his 11th ruler
Uranus conj Uranus, ain't that cool?


Sun opp Sun
my 7th ruler, his 11th ruler
Venus opp Uranus

Moon opp Venus
my 7th ruler, his 2nd/9th ruler
Venus conj Venus AGAIN
Venus conj Jupiter

Pluto conj Pluto
10th ruler/3rd ruler
Saturn conj Mercury


It looks a bit unusual, the many same planet conjunctions. What do you think it means, this conjunction flavor?

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posted January 08, 2015 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry


Ah BINGO, we have that, too. So that is interesting.
Just where it is for you Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-Neptune.

Mercury rules his 3rd, Neptune rules mine.

I DO think while in both synastries having a conjunction of 3rd house rulers brings of course communication to the table, and might - subtly, to a certain extent- be experienced almost like a Mercury-Mercury-conjunction, the underlying aspect will still modify this a lot.

So for you the 3rd house connection comes under the signum of Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-NEptune. Which might make the two of you more probin, intense, maybe even transformative and manipulative to a degree (at least powerful agents of change), when it comes to communication.

For us well most of all it brings the confusion to mind.
All those things never spoken, though probably it is my fault (I am the Neptune part, 3rd house cusp in Pisces).

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posted January 08, 2015 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

It looks a bit unusual, the many same planet conjunctions. What do you think it means, this conjunction flavor?


yes looks unusual, but it is another layer of the synastry, and will indicate areas that are of importance and how they are experienced.
Just weaving a more intricate tapestry.

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posted January 08, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vesta Flake,

I was actually meaning the RULER of these houses, not the planets in the houses (though that would be the next step, really).

The ruler of a house shows how you are actively manifesting the energy of the house, which can happen anywhere really.

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posted January 08, 2015 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me have a look at my own


Sun conjunct Sun
r6, r9
Mercury conjunct Jupiter

Sun conjunct Mercury
r6, r7
Mercury conjunct Venus


Moon conjunct Sun
r5, r9
Sun conjunct Jupiter

Moon conjunct Mercury
r5, r7
Sun conjunct Venus

Mercury conjunct Mars
r3-4-7; r4
Mercury conjunct Moon
Moon conjunct Moon
Venus conjunct Moon

Mercury conjunct Neptune
r3-4-7, r3
Mercury conjunct Mercury
Moon conjunct Mercury
Venus conjunct Mercury

Mars opposite Jupiter
r1, r1
Mars opposite Mars

Jupiter opposite Jupiter
r10, r1
Saturn opposite Mars

Neptune conjunct Sun wide (5°29)
r1, r9
Mars conjunct Jupiter

Neptune conjunct Mercury
r1, r7
Mars conjunct Venus

also

Mercury conjunct NN
r3-4-7
Mercury conjunct NN
Moon conjunct NN
Venus conjunct NN

Mercury conjunct ASC
Mercury conjunct ASC
Moon conjunct ASC
Venus conjunct ASC


MC conjunct Sun
MC-r9
MC conjunct Jupiter

MC conjunct MErcury (r7)
MC conjunct Venus


if we are also using traditional rulership:

Mars opposite Jupiter
r1-8, r1-3
Mars opposite Mars
Mars opposite Mercury
Pluto opposite Mars
Pluto opposite Mercury

Jupiter opposite Jupiter
r10-1; r1-3
Saturn opposite Mars
Saturn opposite Mercury
Mars opposite Mars
Mars opposite Merucry

Mercury conjunct Mars
r3-4-7; r4-11-12
Mercury conjunct Moon
Mercury conjunct Uranus
Mercury conjunct Neptune
Moon conjunct Moon
Moon conjunct Uranus
Moon conjunct Neptune
Venus conjunct Moon
Venus conjunct Uranus
Venus conjunct Neptune

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posted January 08, 2015 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lets give it a try!

Our personalized synastry:

He first:
Sun trine Jupiter (1Hr - 4hr) =
Mars trine Moon

Sun square Uranus (1hr - 6hr) =
Mars square Mercury

Mercury opp Sun (3hr - 12hr) =
Mercury opposite Neptune

Mercury square Saturn (3hr - 5hr)=
Mercury square Sun

Venus quincunx Venus (4hr - 2hr) =
Moon quincunx Venus exact

Venus quincunx Moon (4hr - 11hr)=
Moob quincunx Uranus

Venus square Mars (4hr - 8hr) =
Moon square Pluto exact

Venus sextile Neptune (4hr - 7hr)=
Moon sextile Venus

Venus trine Pluto (4hr - 3hr)=
Moon trine Mercury

Venus conjunct DSC (4hr)
Moon conjunct DSC

Jupiter square Mercury (5hcr - 1hr)=
Sun square Mars

Jupiter square Venus (5hcr - 2hr)=
Sun square Venus

Jupiter conjunct Neptune (5hcr - 7hr)
Sun conjunct Venus exact

Saturn square Moon (3hr - 11hr)=
Mercury square Uranus

Saturn conjunct Pluto (6hr - 3hr)=
Mercury conjunct Mercury exact

Uranus trine Moon (7,8hr - 11hr)
Venus/Pluto trine Uranus exact

Uranus sextile Mercury (7,8hr - 1hr)
Venus/Pluto sextile Mars exact

Uranus sextile Venus (7,8hr - 2hr)
Venus/Pluto sextile Venus exact

Uranus opposite Mars (7,8hr - 8hr)
Venus/Pluto opposite Pluto exact

Uranus trine Jupiter (7,8hr - 4hr)=
Venus/Pluto trine Moon

Uranus square ASC (7,8hr)
Venus/Pluto square ASC exact

ASC conjunct Jupiter (4hr)
ASC conjunct Moon

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posted January 08, 2015 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ah BINGO, we have that, too. So that is interesting.
Just where it is for you Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-Neptune.

Mercury rules his 3rd, Neptune rules mine.

I DO think while in both synastries having a conjunction of 3rd house rulers brings of course communication to the table, and might - subtly, to a certain extent- be experienced almost like a Mercury-Mercury-conjunction, the underlying aspect will still modify this a lot.

So for you the 3rd house connection comes under the signum of Mars-Pluto, for us it is Mercury-NEptune. Which might make the two of you more probin, intense, maybe even transformative and manipulative to a degree (at least powerful agents of change), when it comes to communication.

For us well most of all it brings the confusion to mind.
All those things never spoken, though probably it is my fault (I am the Neptune part, 3rd house cusp in Pisces).


Count me in with Mercury conjunct Mercury!That's why we're so in tune.

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Lotis White
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posted January 09, 2015 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, this is pretty much one of my favorite things to do.

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posted January 09, 2015 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.

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posted January 09, 2015 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm more interested if this house aspects reflect the sign aspects, so I'll look at the synastry from this perspective.

Thus we have the already mentioned aspects Mars conjunct Pluto - my 3rd ruler, his 3rd ruler, so Mercury conj Mercury, so interesting! Mercury sesquis Mercury in synastry

Mercury conj Pluto
my 5th/8th ruler, his 3rd ruler
Sun conj Mercury
Pluto conj Mercury
the sign conjunction is reinforced by the house conjunction

Neptune conj Neptune, that's an interesting one
my 2nd ruler, his 7th ruler
Venus conj Venus
Venus quincunx Venus in synastry

Uranus conj Uranus
1st ruler, his 5th ruler
Mars conj Sun - already have this as a wide opp

Jupiter conj Sun
my 11th ruler, his 11th ruler
Uranus conj Uranus, ain't that cool?


Sun opp Sun
my 7th ruler, his 11th ruler
Venus opp Uranus

Moon opp Venus
my 7th ruler, his 2nd/9th ruler
Venus conj Venus AGAIN
Venus conj Jupiter

Pluto conj Pluto
10th ruler/3rd ruler
Saturn conj Mercury

PLUS

Venus trine Mars - translating as Venus trine Mercury, Venus trine Jupiter(we have Venus/Mercury and Jupiter/Venus DW in synastry)

Venus sq Mars translating as Moon sq Pluto, Venus sq Jupiter (Venus/Jupiter dW in synastry, Moon/Pluto Dw in synastry, composite Moon conj Pluto)

Venus sq Neptune - Moon sq Venus, Venus sq Venus (Moon Venus DW in synastry, Venus/Venus aspect)

Mars sq Jupiter - Pluto sq Uranus

Moon conj MC - Saturn conj Saturn, another pair of same planet here

Venus sextile Neptune - Venus sextile Venus, Jupiter sextile Venus again

Venus trine Pluto - Venus trine Mercury, Jupiter trine Mercury again

Mars trine Pluto - Pluto trine Mercury, mercury/Pluto DW in synastry

Mars trine Mercury - Pluto trine Sun, Pluto trine Pluto - already have Pluto conj Pluto in synastry

Moon sextile Sun - Saturn sextile Venus
Moon sq Moon - Saturn sq Venus
Moon trine Saturn - Venus trine Moon (Venus/Moon DW in synastry)
Sun trine Saturn - Uranus trine Moon (Moon quintile Uranus in synastry, Sun/Moon/Saturn DW in synastry)

these are just a few examples

it seems that 90% of these aspects replicate already existent synastric aspects

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posted January 09, 2015 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.


yes, I would look at them this way.

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posted January 09, 2015 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 7th house ruler conjuncts his 1st house ruler, exact at 0'01 ( Moon/ Pluto)
I like this contact between our 1/7 rulers. It is felt strongly. Its like a Venus/ Mars aspect. On top of that, his Mars is in my 7th, which is like Venus/ Mars again. And, his Venus conjuncts my ASC, another Venus/Mars theme.

His 7th house ruler conjuncts my 8th house ruler. This should be like a Venus/ Pluto connection.

My Venus conjuncts his IC in his 4th. That's like a Moon/ Venus link.

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posted January 10, 2015 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
If there are angles involved, can't they be treated like planets? ASC - Mars, IC - Moon, etc.


Yes, I remember Christine Rakela did that in her book, calling them Mars-point (ASC) and Venus-point (DESC).
IMO they are not compeltely identical, there are certain modifications, but similiar enough to justify this method.

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posted January 10, 2015 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
My 7th house ruler conjuncts his 1st house ruler, exact at 0'01 ( Moon/ Pluto)
I like this contact between our 1/7 rulers. It is felt strongly. Its like a Venus/ Mars aspect. On top of that, his Mars is in my 7th, which is like Venus/ Mars again. And, his Venus conjuncts my ASC, another Venus/Mars theme.


Yes, it`s about themes and patterns. And that one is a strong one for relationships

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posted January 10, 2015 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, it`s about themes and patterns. And that one is a strong one for relationships

thanks, Ceri
I am addicted to house rulers, so sensitive in synastry..
like a bulb of a flower - holds the vital information of the house

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posted January 10, 2015 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I do think so too.

Mr Sag and me have for example:

his 7th house conjunct my ASC
his 7th house ruler square my 1st house ruler
(7-11 mutable)

his ASC square my 7th ruler
his 1st ruler conjunct my 7th ruler
(20-25 mutable)


Yesterday, during the concert, Moon was transiting 9-11 mutable.
It`s really uncanny.

(our first meeting chart`s ASC is on 10 mutable and our progressed composite Moon on 10 mutable conjunct natal composite Jupiter by 3 minutes).


Almost looks like a clockwork. lol

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posted January 10, 2015 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did he sing the song you chose?

How was the concert?

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posted January 10, 2015 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, did not. Was out of his vocal range, or maybe he did not want to.

The concert was, I am not exactly sure, what it was, pretty good definitely.

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posted January 10, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, LoLo was right with her card reading then.. Hmm. I may want to check her card readings

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posted January 10, 2015 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
So, LoLo was right with her card reading then.. Hmm. I may want to check her card readings

Aha...you've been peeking

Of course, anytime lol


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posted January 19, 2015 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I've noticed this in charts as well!

Even in just my own natal, it really plays out.

My 7th house ruler is conjunct Mercury, giving me a lot of attraction to people with Gemini planets, angles or 3rd house or Mercury strong. But Mercury also rules my 9th and 12th house. I'm very attracted to foreigners (or if my last attraction was, then suddenly someone from the same culture), someone whom I can learn from and who can learn from me. And it sadly definitely brought me some 12th house suffering (besides having Venus in the 12th).

So that's all the mutable signs (H7 ruler is in Virgo) and these are what gets my attention first.

My 5th house ruler is tucked into a stellium with Saturn, IC, Moon and Neptune, so that's Pisces again and the Cancer/Cap axis. They rule my 4th, 10th and 6th house. Daily life is important to me and I've always known I want my relationships to be public (10th house) - being kept hidden makes me super unhappy despite those 12th house connections. Though I don't need to show off/shput it off the rooftops, I do want my partner to be included in my life, my family and friends know him, etc.

Noticed stuff in synastry, too. It's very interesting! From the top of my head, I remember my Mars being conjunct the ruler of his 8th and 10th exact, giving it a Mars-Pluto and Mars-Saturn vibe. But Mars also rules my 7th house, so it also feels like having a Venus-Pluto and Venus-Saturn conjunction with him (or even him putting Saturn and Pluto into my 7th house).
Mars is the traditional ruler of my 2nd house, so it feels like Venus in aspect to his planets again.

Quite intense, right? You know what the actual aspect is? Mars conjunct Mercury. Yes, that's right, not exactly known as a classic romance aspect. But those two rulers give it a much heavier flavour. (Lucky for him, I have a Cap stellium and Venus semi-square Pluto, so I like this kind of synastry.)

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posted January 19, 2015 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And other house ruler conjunctions:

Sun conjunct Venus one way:
Sun rules his 10th, Venus rules my 1st and 8th.
Feels like Saturn-Mars and Saturn-Pluto.
But his Sun is also conjunct my 1st/8th ruler.
And my Venus conjunct his 10th house ruler.

Sun conjunct Venus the other way:
Sun rules my 11th, Venus his 7th, 11th and 12th.
Feels like Uranus-Venus, Uranus-Uranus and Uranus-Neptune.
Also feels like: my Sun conjunct his 7th, 11th and 12th.
his Venus conjunct my 11th.

Uranus conjunct Neptune:
His Uranus co-rules his 3rd house (Aquarius intercepted).
My Neptune rules my 6th house.
So Mercury-Mercury. Not one of the classic romance aspects, but it does make two generational planets a lot more personal.

Uranus conjunct Neptune other way:
Uranus rules my 5th
Neptune rules his 4th
So it gives it a flavour of a Sun-Moon conjunction, which is very nice and personal.

Neptune conjunct Moon:
Neptune rules his 4th
Moon rules my 10th
Moon-Saturn is another classic, binding synastry aspect.

Neptune conjunct Neptune:
Neptune rules his 4th
Neptune rules my 6th.
Even the same two generational planets make this conjunction feel more personal.

Neptune conjunct Saturn:
Neptune rules his 4th
Saturn rules my 4th
Lovely IC rulers conjunct makes for a very deep bond. We can tell each other anything.

Uranus conjunct Saturn:
Uranus - intercepted ruler of his 3rd
Saturn rules my 4th.


So yes, always check which houses generational planets rule, it can be super personal, intimate and romantic for someone who has it ruling their IC or one of the romance houses.

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