posted January 08, 2015 06:50 PM            

Sun conjunction Mars (1)

Sun square pluto (3)
Pluto quintile sun (3)

Venus Conjunction Mars (1)
Mars Sextile Venus (2)

Pluto Square Mars (1)
Venus Square Pluto (3)
Uranus Inconjunct Mars (1)
Venus Inconjunct Uranus (1)

Mars Sextile Moon (5)
Moon Sextile Mars (4)

Saturn Aspects:

Saturn square Moon (1)
Saturn square Venus (1)
Saturn semi-square Sun (1)
Jupiter square Saturn (4)
Saturn conjunct asteroid Karma (2)
Asteroid Karma conjunct Saturn (2)

Thanks!

posted January 11, 2015 05:39 PM            

Saturn in hard aspect to the Moon in synastry can bring out the parental side of the Saturn person towards the Moon. I think a reason why Moon-Saturn occurs so frequently in synastry is that people we choose in relationships reflect the dynamics we experienced with our parents. In any close encounter, it's the need for security and the most vulnerable parts of ourselves that are touched and that constitute the binding force between people on a deep level. This dynamic is represented by Moon-Saturn.

So, the Moon-Saturn square is likely to bring up the vulnerabilities as well as the protective devices in both of you. You may be drawn to and yet feel restricted or inhibited by the Moon's expression of feeling. At times, your defenses may manifest as coldness or criticism, which hurts your partner. I think the key to handling this aspect is to be honest about needs and feelings and to communicate without blaming or criticizing each other.

posted January 11, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by VacantGazer:
I read that saturn is binding in some way. That is needed for long term relationships/marriages to work. Even difficult aspects(eg squares). Squares initiate work, and relationships need hard work to survive. I look at saturn aspects being good things.

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Here is a link to an article that I think well explains why challenging Saturn aspects in synastry (e.g. squares) can be a good thing:
http://www.hniizato.com/saturn-synastry-gifts-challenges-saturn-interaspects/

posted January 14, 2015 01:49 AM            

Sometimes Venus-Saturn manifests as a significant age difference between the two people. The Saturn person may feel responsible or parental towards Venus or to seek to have control over Venus. Saturn may be critical of the Venus person. If Venus is a woman, the criticism may sometimes be directed at the woman's femininity. For example, this was how the Venus-Saturn square between John Lennon and Yoko Ono played out. Venus may feel a lack of warmth from the Saturn person who tends to be undemonstrative and feel uncomfortable with Venus's displays of affection.

Another manifestation of Venus-Saturn is Saturn may envy or feel awkward in the face of the social skills of Venus.

posted January 14, 2015 05:46 AM            

EDIT: it is also important to take into account the place where one's Saturn falls in the other's chart. Is that place favorable for the other's natal or does it fall in an unsuitable location?
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posted January 14, 2015 12:32 PM            

Saturn = Creating and maintaining structures, certainly. Breaking limiting structures or collapse of structures is Saturn-Uranus.

posted January 14, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IMO, the difference of how Venus/Saturn and even luminaries/Saturn play out lies in the rest of the synastry. Saturn is also an important rejection/unrequited planet BUT he plays this role when the rest of the synastry isn't attractive enough for one or both partners OR the relationship has reached its deadline (with transits). When the rest of the synastry is problematic, Saturn helps with cutting the ties and "blocking" the other. Saturn as temporary influence (transits, progressions) also comes up at the beginning and end of cycles, as the Lord of Time and Cause/Effect and Limitation (creating or breaking limitative structures).

EDIT: it is also important to take into account the place where one's Saturn falls in the other's chart. Is that place favorable for the other's natal or does it fall in an unsuitable location?

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I think this is overcomplicating it.

posted January 14, 2015 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I think this is overcomplicating it.

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Agree to disagree. Saturn has a different role in each chart and in order for it to show its binding side, rather than its rejection side, the aspect the partner brings has to support the natal structure, not contradict it.

Also, Saturn is often on angles (composites) when couples break up. It begins a cycle of limitation (structuring) but it also ends it.

EDIT: BTW, in this role as separative transit, I don't think it means "collapsing of structures" but rather "you reap what you sow" "your time is up" "time for the reward/punishment"
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posted January 14, 2015 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Agree to disagree. Saturn has a different role in each chart and in order for it to show its binding side, rather than its rejection side, the aspect the partner brings has to support the natal structure, not contradict it.

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LeeLoo, I'm open to considering your view. Would you care to illustrate this and give specifics with an example or come to think of it, mine would even be a better example. Differences of perspective notwithstanding, I think this is a good discussion.

posted January 14, 2015 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
LeeLoo, I'm open to considering your view. Would you care to illustrate this and give specifics with an example or come to think of it, mine would even be a better example. Differences of perspective notwithstanding, I think this is a good discussion.

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Thank you, peony! I think there is a good example here about the wrong Saturn for the wrong person, even if that person is quite Saturnian.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000274.html

posted January 14, 2015 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IMO, the difference of how Venus/Saturn and even luminaries/Saturn play out lies in the rest of the synastry. Saturn is also an important rejection/unrequited planet BUT he plays this role when the rest of the synastry isn't attractive enough for one or both partners OR the relationship has reached its deadline (with transits). When the rest of the synastry is problematic, Saturn helps with cutting the ties and "blocking" the other. Saturn as temporary influence (transits, progressions) also comes up at the beginning and end of cycles, as the Lord of Time and Cause/Effect and Limitation (creating or breaking limitative structures).

EDIT: it is also important to take into account the place where one's Saturn falls in the other's chart. Is that place favorable for the other's natal or does it fall in an unsuitable location?

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LeeLoo, I'm glad to see you talking here about the challenging manifestations of Saturn (other than as a binding force) and that you were prompted perhaps by a difference of opinion to offer some thought provoking material. I'll take a look at the example, thanks, but I'd still like you to take a look at my synastry, if you would, especially in light of your comments on this thread.

posted January 15, 2015 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Sure, why not, peony? Where is it and what is the question regarding Saturn?

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LeeLoo, here's the links to the synastry and composite charts. I met him last May and it had a big impact on both of us. There were obstacles to getting together, but the big one was that he had just been involved in a turbulent relationship that ended badly. After six months, it became clear that he did not want to move on and I stopped seeing him.

We have a SN conjunct Sun DW. His NN is in my 7H, but not conjunct the DESC. Mars/Venus is in his 7th. His SN, Valentine and Lillith are conjunct my Sun-Pluto in his 5H. My Uranus-Moon-Venus are in his 4H. Between us, there are seven Saturn aspects. This looks like very strong synastry to me, so why do you think the rejection side of Saturn is the one that prevailed? I'm too close to this, so would like your objective feedback.

posted January 15, 2015 03:41 PM            

Sorry, I have to ask, because I don't understand: move on with what? separate from the other? did you two have a relationship while he was with the other person?

posted January 15, 2015 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you for entrusting me with your charts, peony.

Sorry, I have to ask, because I don't understand: move on with what? separate from the other? did you two have a relationship while he was with the other person?

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His relationship with the other woman ended shortly before we met and she had moved across the country.

posted January 15, 2015 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
His relationship with the other woman ended shortly before we met and she had moved across the country.

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Then what was he supposed to move on with??

I'm asking this not out of curiosity, but because there are situations for which using astrology with a confusing background (not yours, the way I understood it or better say didn't) makes things even more confusing.

posted January 15, 2015 04:32 PM            

It would be nice if you provided a synastry chart.

It really depends on your natal. If you have hard Saturn aspects to inner planets or angels in the natal chart and you haven't had your saturn return, you will be fairly miserable in a saturanian relationship that has hard aspects.... it will be hard to see that speck of light at the end of the tunnel after an amount of time.

Hard Martian aspects can be worked out through physical activity but hard pluto aspects lead to patterns resurfacing; pluto is a cyclical planet after all. Having had both Saturn and Pluto prominent in my synastries, (you draw what you have, right) I have to be upfront, it's a lot of work. Pluto wants to get even and Saturn wants you to work seriously. You can see how both planets can be counteractive if hard aspected, right? Both forces become extremely sensitive to being slighted. A lot of power plays can develop.

Unless you're both comfortable with those energies and also have a good number of harmonious aspects in the synastry, the relationship will be void of incentives. Why stay and work at it then? Your efforts will definitely be in vain if you're not conscious of why you're taking the actions you are taking and whether they are truly beneficial. Cost vs. benefit, my friend.

posted January 15, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Then what was he supposed to move on with??

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posted January 15, 2015 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
A new relationship. He expressed his desire for that. My communication skills must be worse than I know.

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Or mine hahaha sorry for that...I'm simply trying to determine if you HAD a relationship together, but you broke up after 6 months or you wanted to have a relationship with him, a real one, but he wasn't up for it. Reading a chart for someone who tries to understand the WHY for these two different scenarios is different.

But if you don't feel like giving details, I won't bother you anymore: I can tell you what I see in these charts: there are many good aspects to work with, but the general outlook is of a romantic relationship which possibly won't last. I also notice the infamous (also great) and classical Mars/Venus conj coming from the woman, which sometimes leads to the woman pursuing the man, and very few men are impressed with that (definitely not Scorpio Venus), if the man's Mars is not equally stimulated; Saturn is not necessarily the problem here, the intensity and instability of the aspects is, in both charts. Plus, your personal needs, for each, are only partially fulfilled: for example this guy's profile is an Aries Sun/Venus.

Hopes this helped a bit

posted January 16, 2015 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Or mine hahaha sorry for that...I'm simply trying to determine if you HAD a relationship together, but you broke up after 6 months or you wanted to have a relationship with him, a real one, but he wasn't up for it. Reading a chart for someone who tries to understand the WHY for these two different scenarios is different.

But if you don't feel like giving details, I won't bother you anymore: I can tell you what I see in these charts: there are many good aspects to work with, but the general outlook is of a romantic relationship which possibly won't last. I also notice the infamous (also great) and classical Mars/Venus conj coming from the woman, which sometimes leads to the woman pursuing the man, and very few men are impressed with that (definitely not Scorpio Venus), if the man's Mars is not equally stimulated; Saturn is not necessarily the problem here, the intensity and instability of the aspects is, in both charts. Plus, your personal needs, for each, are only partially fulfilled: for example this guy's profile is an Aries Sun/Venus.

Hopes this helped a bit

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LeeLoo, it's not you. I'm sorry. We were seeing each other for six months, but he was wounded from his previous relationship, withdrew and said he wanted to continue seeing me, as a friend. That wasn't what I wanted. Thing is he felt like home to me, which is hard to forget. As for the "man's Mars being equally stimulated," my Sun-Pluto does trine his Mars (3).

About personal needs being "only partially fulfilled," what's in the synastry that indicates this? I don't follow when you say "guy's profile is Aries Sun/Venus." If you have time, when you say "intensity and instability of the aspects in both charts," is that the Sun-Pluto in the synastry, Mars-Pluto in the composite, and Uranus to my Moon-Venus in the synastry and Moon square Uranus in the composite? I do notice there aren't any binding Saturn aspects in the composite, but Saturn hard aspects in the synastry.

posted January 16, 2015 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But if you don't feel like giving details...

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LeeLoo, I left a response for you, if you have time.

posted January 18, 2015 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
LeeLoo, I left a response for you, if you have time.

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Take a look at this and maybe post your chart for analysis if you want:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000137.html

There is nothing in those charts that can't be overcome, there are many good aspects, but also problematic ones, like the one you mentioned, with Uranus, a bit of a lack of Saturn, Sun/Pluto and the Pluto and the Pluto aspects, differences in your type, composite Aries Moon is very intensified with Uranus Jupiter Neptune Lilith but that's an energy that could be turned into something positive, Saturn in composite is unaspected, this is more problematic, it could mean a difficulty in creating an established relationship, Uranus in the 2nd also brings instability when it comes to establishing long-term structures. But all these aspects could be overcome or turn into something positive if there's shared love.

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