posted January 09, 2015 01:18 PM            

I can't include all the asteroids I'd like to include, but did want to mention Atlantis, which in the Composite is at Lib 2.25 exactly conjunct my Sun and Angel and his Karma at 1.37. My Atlantis is at Lib 9.32, exactly conjunct his Neptune; his is at Vir 25.18, exactly conjunct my natal Sun/Venus midpoint and draconic Saturn. So I assume we've been at this for awhile

posted January 09, 2015 01:20 PM            

and the Composite:

posted January 09, 2015 02:30 PM            

Progressed Composite:

posted January 09, 2015 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
that synastry is a hot mess, or maybe it's all the asteroids in there messing up my view.

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Define "hot mess."

The aspect lines do not include the asteroids, if that helps you any. But here is the basic natal synastry set to 50% orb, so you can see the closest aspects:

posted January 09, 2015 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What happened here? I don't see heavy tUranus on the comp, but I do see him being hit on his stellium. And the composite Sun which makes it difficult to reach a stable situation, to live together, to find a common life. And your chart ruler being a bit stranded, so maybe this relationship is not the best solution for your personal evolution, for you being in the spotlight, reaching your true potential. But the synastry looks pretty connected. How do the current progressions look like?

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Yeah, that tUranus on his Venus etc. has been driving me nuts for months. And the cSun likely explains, at least in part, why it took 20+ years for us to get together. I keep hoping my Uranus in the 7th helps, but some days I'm not so sure.

Tell me more about my stranded chart ruler.

posted January 09, 2015 05:37 PM            

The Uranian theme is no exception in this relationship. Your nUranus opposes his nMoon,Venus-Uranus is there in the synastry and composite, the progressed synastry, along with the current transit to his Venus.

With your Venus-Saturn conjunction in Virgo and Moon in Pisces on the IC, I can see the difficulty that Uranus presents.

It looks like transiting Saturn is in your 12H conjunct your nMars, which is impacting your relationship. So, that suggests that there's a struggle going on, that you're encountering obstacles at a time when your energy is at a low ebb. Also, Saturn in the 12H is about recharging, spending time alone, contemplation. It can also feel isolating. At the same time, your partner has Uranus conjunct his nVenus, which says something similar about either he or you needing space.

posted January 09, 2015 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Who knew my forgetting to turn off a light would cause such emotional upset for us both?

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That's not the cause, it's just a trigger. Astrology aside, sounds like needs aren't being met on both sides. Generally, the chances are very good that a relationship will thrive when both people are getting their needs met.

posted January 09, 2015 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
That's not the cause, it's just a trigger.

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Absolutely. Poor choice of words on my part.

Astrology aside, sounds like needs aren't being met on both sides.

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I dunno. That may be the $64,000 question. Astrology aside, I'm not aware of any relationships that don't require work, and where needs are always perfectly met.

We are both complex people who have never been exactly lucky in love although we've both had many relationships. I've never married; he's been married 3 times. We are both past our second Saturn return as you can tell by our outer planet placements, and neither wants to be alone in our last years.

In some ways we are very much alike; in others we are opposites. Most of the time things are calm and we are extremely compatible, but our living arrangements are unusual with, as you say, periods of closeness and periods of separation. That usually seems to suit us both well.

It's the little tiny things like the light switch where the friction can sometimes arise, always unexpectedly and seemingly out of proportion to the reality of it all.

I've always had a deep sense we will be together in one way or another for a long time. I just sometimes wish for more stability or certainty or routineness in how it is to be, even if it is not a traditional relationship.

Thanks for your interpretative comments above; they are helpful.

posted January 10, 2015 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I dunno. That may be the $64,000 question. Astrology aside, I'm not aware of any relationships that don't require work, and where needs are always perfectly met.

We are both complex people who have never been exactly lucky in love although we've both had many relationships. I've never married; he's been married 3 times. We are both past our second Saturn return as you can tell by our outer planet placements, and neither wants to be alone in our last years.

In some ways we are very much alike; in others we are opposites. Most of the time things are calm and we are extremely compatible, but our living arrangements are unusual with, as you say, periods of closeness and periods of separation. That usually seems to suit us both well.

It's the little tiny things like the light switch where the friction can sometimes arise, always unexpectedly and seemingly out of proportion to the reality of it all.

I've always had a deep sense we will be together in one way or another for a long time. I just sometimes wish for more stability or certainty or routineness in how it is to be, even if it is not a traditional relationship.

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Of course, no relationship between human beings is going to have needs "perfectly met." I'm talking about most of the needs, or the most important ones to the two people involved.

I noticed that he has a Capricorn Moon quincunx his Saturn and you have a Moon-Saturn opposition, or it looks that way. I have a hard time reading the synastry charts from astro.com. But if this is correct, you have similar emotional patterns and mirror each other's. So, if he has a tendency to withdraw, then it may be that this is something in you as well. That's where I'd start in order to deal with this. Also, you share the same vulnerabilities and that's a ground for deep understanding and closeness between you, if you can avoid blaming and making judgments, and work on yourselves.

You have the ASC-DESC, the planet overlays showing planets in both 4H, and a Venus-Chiron-Pluto Grand Trine. The Grand Trine is a very strong indicator of harmony between two people. From what you're saying, it sounds like for the most part, the relationship is working well, but the patterns indicated by the Moon-Saturn may be an area that needs attention.

By the way, His progressed Moon is towards the end of the 12H and heightens the withdrawing tendency even more. It's similar to the Saturn transit in the 12th, which is just beginning for you. But, when it reaches the 1H cusp, he'll be entering a new cycle. If he has felt held back by forces beyond his control, he's likely to feel more confident and free with the progressed Moon in the 1H.

Your progressed Moon is in the 8H. It's a time for looking deeply inside, for catharsis or refining oneself. Looks like good timing.

posted January 10, 2015 08:04 AM            

A lot of Uranian practical, concrete activity is needed for that T/square.

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posted January 10, 2015 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The routine part is unlikely to happen or last long. I can see why you need it from your Virgo stellium, but as you can see, with Uranus in the 7th, one must accept instability/excitement/change of routines in relationships. His Uranus sq your stellium and is actually a mirror of your Uranus in the 7th. His Moon is actually perfect for your chart, but you need to accept the Sun/Moon/Uranus T/square as it is, constant change: perhaps you two need to have constant Uranian activities to reinforce your relationship, rather than establishing a home routine: that would lead your relationship in a conflictual zone. Uranus disp your Jupiter, chart ruler, most unaspected planet in this chart, which means there is a need for you to somehow take control in this relationship in order to feel safe, which is supported by your Jupiter being connected to a dynamic Mars/Jupiter square, with Mars in the 12th though, the manner in which the person takes control can be a bit subversive, passive/aggressive or by serving the other (also supported by your Virgo stellium). The only way to properly use Jupiter in this synastry is to use Uranus. Don't try to control his life or his habits, your purpose in being together is to be young at heart, careless, not planning the future, being like two teens together, staying apart to accomplish things separately then getting together to share this balance between individuality (when you actually prepare for your next meeting) and being together for some special moments.

A lot of Uranian practical, concrete activity is needed for that T/square.

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Wow, LeeLoo, you've really hit some nails on the head, and helped me better understand some aspects I already knew, and some I hadn't even thought about.

I know not to try to control his life or habits and generally do a pretty good job of it; the problems arise when he tries to control the tiny details of mine, like whether I do or do not turn off a light in my house.

I'm not sure that I feel the need to take control of the relationship as much as I feel a strong need not to BE controlled. I will turn off the light, or not turn off the light, in my own house if and when I remember to thank you very much and I don't need you constantly nagging me about it. [His side of this story is he's only trying to help me save money and energy, not control me or tell me what to do].

I've always been a bit perplexed by the Mars in the 12th interpretation as passive/aggressive, etc. I'm aggressive; I just explode. Well, after quietly sitting back and trying to negotiate and communicate and reach consensus for a long time first.

posted January 10, 2015 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:

I noticed that he has a Capricorn Moon quincunx his Saturn and you have a Moon-Saturn opposition, or it looks that way. I have a hard time reading the synastry charts from astro.com. But if this is correct, you have similar emotional patterns and mirror each other's. So, if he has a tendency to withdraw, then it may be that this is something in you as well. That's where I'd start in order to deal with this. Also, you share the same vulnerabilities and that's a ground for deep understanding and closeness between you, if you can avoid blaming and making judgments, and work on yourselves.

You have the ASC-DESC, the planet overlays showing planets in both 4H, and a Venus-Chiron-Pluto Grand Trine. The Grand Trine is a very strong indicator of harmony between two people. From what you're saying, it sounds like for the most part, the relationship is working well, but the patterns indicated by the Moon-Saturn may be an area that needs attention.

By the way, His progressed Moon is towards the end of the 12H and heightens the withdrawing tendency even more. It's similar to the Saturn transit in the 12th, which is just beginning for you. But, when it reaches the 1H cusp, he'll be entering a new cycle. If he has felt held back by forces beyond his control, he's likely to feel more confident and free with the progressed Moon in the 1H.

Your progressed Moon is in the 8H. It's a time for looking deeply inside, for catharsis or refining oneself. Looks like good timing.

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Thanks for noticing his Capricorn Moon - Saturn quincunx. I'm not a very visual person, so I have to look at the pdf file on astro.com where the aspects are listed. For some reason, it isn't listed there either. But his Saturn is at 3 Leo, and his Moon is at 6 Capricorn, so it's definitely there at a 3 degree orb.

And thanks for helping me understand why there are often so many Capricorns in my life - my natal is very Saturnian, including the Moon/Saturn opposition. I'm not sure why that never really clicked for me before.

posted January 10, 2015 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Wow, LeeLoo, you've really hit some nails on the head, and helped me better understand some aspects I already knew, and some I hadn't even thought about.

I know not to try to control his life or habits and generally do a pretty good job of it; the problems arise when he tries to control the tiny details of mine, like whether I do or do not turn off a light in my house.

I'm not sure that I feel the need to take control of the relationship as much as I feel a strong need not to BE controlled. I will turn off the light, or not turn off the light, in my own house if and when I remember to thank you very much and I don't need you constantly nagging me about it. [His side of this story is he's only trying to help me save money and energy, not control me or tell me what to do].

I've always been a bit perplexed by the Mars in the 12th interpretation as passive/aggressive, etc. I'm aggressive; I just explode. Well, after quietly sitting back and trying to negotiate and communicate and reach consensus for a long time first.

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Thank you for the feed-back. That was the other possible side of the coin, him controlling you and your Jupiter rebelling. I'm glad if I cold help, actually I think the problem you need to solve lies in this, and it's most likely something you will eventually handle

posted January 10, 2015 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Ahhh, I'd forgotten about that Uranus piece of the pie! Interesting. I think you just helped me better understand the conversations on this board where you and others have talked about one person's chart completing patterns in the other person's chart, no?

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posted January 10, 2015 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I'm not seeing most of the house placements you mentioned in the progressed charts - what am I missing? It looks to me, for example, like it's my Moon (in the 6th) that is on the cusp of his 12th house. His progressed Moon is in beginning of the 11th house (not the end of the 12th) toward the end of my 4th house, no?

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Sorry for the confusion. My comments refer to your progressed Moons in relation to your natal charts.

posted January 11, 2015 04:11 PM            

It occurred to me this morning that since the issue that triggers friction for us is so mundane, I might want to take a look at the Davison chart, which Ceri taught me it is related to "here and now" type questions.

I'd forgotten about that Uranus/Sun quincunx and Vesta/Valentine sextile Sun, creating a yod pointing to Uranus. I see that Venus is widely opposite Uranus in the Davison. But it's too wide to be the release point, no?

Interesting also that Uranus in the Davison is conjunct his ASC.

Uranus will be hovering around his Aries Venus/Mars for the next couple of years at least, but that also means it will be hovering around our Davison Juno.

To misquote and paraphrase Bette Davis, I guess I better get used to it; it looks like we're in for a bumpy ride.

I also think the Neptune/Juno opposition is interesting; not quite sure what to make of it. His Moon square Neptune in natal is very obvious in his personality.

Anyone care to comment on the Davison?

Or how Neptune figures into these charts; I think I sometimes have a tendency to overlook Neptune, which I guess in some ways is consistent with his nature.