posted January 16, 2015 02:33 AM            

If it's "the lights" or male-female symbols and what is said to be good to have in contact for your relevant relationships or a partner, what if it's more so there in natal to draco contacts? What if it's ONLY in natal to draco contacts? Any other insights or thoughts and comments?

posted January 16, 2015 03:01 AM            

Natals have:

Sun 2 square Sun
Moon 3-4 square Sun
Sun ~146 from Moon (wide biquintile?)
Moons around ~32 deg from each other, too wide for a semisextile

Draconic touches:

Sun 0-1 conj drac Sun
Moon 0-1 opp drac Sun
Drac Sun 0 square Moon
Drac Sun ~2-3 opp drac Moon
Drac Moons ~1 conjunct

There's presumably some level of contact, similarity or something (past?) with people if the draconic Moons conjunct and another person's Draconic Sun heads over to where the other person's Sun is otherwise...but what does it really suggest?

That on a practical level or in esoteric terms, I don't mind what your focus is, I'm just suddenly brainfarty over even basic draconic level interpretations. Emotional natures vibe on the draconic level (and it's two Cancer Moons there, so even more so?) but does that show in anything actual or "current" in people's interactions? Do you feel anything like that? Is it mere "Potential chumminess and coziness" with draconic Moons in contact?

The tentative square and possible biquintile aspects between the Sun and Moon turn into closer or more visible opposition and square aspects when the other person's draconic Sun takes contact with the natal Moon. The Sun is said to drive things with those two, so I find myself with questions of if the contact is felt differently if it's a draconic Moon contacting natal Suns, for example?

Draconic Sun heading over to where one person has their Sun as it is makes you ask if it's as if the dSun were headed to where and how the other Sun already is? Is it some being an "example" to the other business? Something similar somewhere underneath? "I know who you are, and I know how you/we both feel"?

posted January 16, 2015 10:01 AM            

We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too.

posted January 16, 2015 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne :
Yeah, I'm still wondering what his nSUN on my dMOON (1º30) is, exactly. I can never quite find delineations for that.

We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too.

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posted January 16, 2015 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Are you talking about your husband or your Twin ?

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posted January 16, 2015 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Neither, actually. My Guardian.

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posted January 17, 2015 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, I'm still wondering what his nSUN on my dMOON (1º30) is, exactly. I can never quite find delineations for that.

We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too.

Wow. Crazy, Keela. What do you think is up there? I've often been fascinated how his 8º CAN SUN and my 19º LIB MOON turned into 01º and 03º GEM.

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Yeah, if _I_ knew I wouldn't have posted the question/s. ;P

I just found it interesting that it was specifically the draconic Suns making more contacts to the moons in the example. I have a friend whose drac Moon is opposite my Sun, for another. Drac Moon also some 2-3 conjunct my natal Moon from what I recall, and with that Sun-dMoon thing I seem to be more the driving force or an active ("masculine"?) figure. In some ways, anyway. They're Taurus, I'm Leo (no antiscia contact with the Suns though), and the person is to some extent "a-gender" so potentially less on the feminine sides than I should be, for one, with both born on the "female" side, but I'm more the "go-get" (Sun?) in our interactions.

Hence also all the questions about the difference if it's draco Suns in contact with the natal or draco Moons doing something with the regular stuff.

His natal Sun and your dMoon seem to conform to traditional male-female ideas with these things, although I don't know if it shows in your interactions or how you feel your roles or balance of actions goes. My example has the male's dSun opposite female's Moon, fem dSun square male's Moon, and fem dSun opposite both dMoons. To some extent that seems to go with a sense or idea of both being "gung-ho" or tally-ho about "leading" or doing their thing and automatically thinking the other will follow or respond to that as the Moon-counterpart. I'm not sure if it then goes back to the natal patterns to see if a man will LIKE a woman being that much an active figure or not, or what something like that suggests. That there is mutual contact and the aspect exists seems to suggest that the man is fine with her in such roles, too, but I don't know if that's just wishful logic when it comes to some men.

And with dSun square Moon, maybe his Moon or ideas of women want another kind of a charmer for themselves and find the contact grating, despite being pulled in against better judgement? No idea. Draconic squares never get talked anywhere. I think the most is IQ saying something about past lives and how people didn't get together with draco squares or oppositions, but I may be remembering even that wrong.

posted January 17, 2015 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
When you bring the theme about midpoints I just realized that his draco sun/moon midpoint conjunct my tropical sun.

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Actually, I should have looked at midpoints myself, too. I just realized that the example has weird Sun/Moon midpoint action as well. In the same people order as above:

Drac Sun/Moon MP opp Moon
Sun/Moon MP square dr. Sun
Moon contrascia Sun/Moon
Drac Moon antiscia SN
Drac Sun antiscia NN
SN conj Sun
SN antiscia drac Sun/Moon MP
(Means person B's Sun is antiscia their own draconic Sun/Moon MP)

It's a bit wide at about 2 degrees, but there is an interesting further mirroring with the first person's Sun antiscia only those two degrees from person B's Sun/Moon MP, A's Moon contrascia exactly. Trying for contact, one way or another.

I don't know if some of those are supposedly automatic if there is draconic chart contact and this being talk of the South Nodes here, but suddenly it just struck me or seemed weird. One person's SN in touch with the Sun, and then the draconic Moon in touch with the other's SN. Seemingly "clear" division of male-female roles? "Clear" if at a stretch with talking antiscia of draconic charts, but they should still be valid even if I never saw people bring them up before. I just don't know what else it implies or brings in, and that's what everybody seems to be missing here. :/

posted January 17, 2015 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Actually I was thinking those could point to a similar level of soul evolution, especially with the dSun/dSun conjunction. As the Draco chart is calculated by moving the NN to 0.00 Aries, and the whole chart with it accordingly, dSun conjunct dSun means that the difference in degrees between nNN and nSun is the same for both. Which made me think that you were maybe talking about your Twin (who is more likely to have the same level of soul evolution as you do, imo).

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posted January 17, 2015 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
So what is the opinion if it's draconic Moons similarly conjuncting? You denote soul evolution to draconic Suns, what about the rest?

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Well, I'm still new to this and I was just guessing from what I know about Aubyanne, to be honest. I think both dSun/dSun and dMoon/dMoon would show a similar level of soul evolution, but more in a 'twin' (or very close souls from the same soul family) way, as in similar soul identities, because the we're using the same luminary.

posted January 17, 2015 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Well, I'm still new to this and I was just guessing from what I know about Aubyanne, to be honest. I think both dSun/dSun and dMoon/dMoon would show a similar level of soul evolution, but more in a 'twin' (or very close souls from the same soul family) way, as in similar soul identities, because the we're using the same luminary.

Now, dSun conjunct dMoon for example would show common features between both energies, but without the 'twin' feeling, in my opinion.

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Guessing is all anybody here has done so far. Intuiting, throwing in ideas or suggestions, for something other people may pick up and do something with. If you don't have guesses or theories, you can't test them either.

As for the example with the draconic Moons conjunct, I'm not discounting the soul group or soul family thing since obviously asked about it, but it's nothing to do with TF style twins at least. The synastry is squares and the circumstances aren't about a love relationship on some conventional or "this level" style. The composite is actually interesting (I guess) with a Grand Trine/Kite and T-square both, making some things from the synastry seem a lot more positive (and potentially obsessive to maddening with the Uranus-Pluto opposite Moon squaring Mars from what I recall. If some of the same things weren't involved in the trines and Kite as well it'd be worse though).

It is more a case of:
Feel the squares or "What the hell attraction? O.o?" first, and then more so (only?) if you look past that and deal with a "soul-level" feeling you get more of the warmth coming in. Or so it seems. I don't know if that's from the draconic Moons conjunct or something else from all the patterns I noticed through Bumblebee's reply. It's from the draconic level but I assume a drac Sun/Moon midpoint opposite another person's Moon makes for some sort of an echo somewhere even so. Especially when the luminaries had some contact both ways otherwise as well.

There are also slight similarities in looks to the parents of the other person, though only at times. I'd imagine it's more a "Have known you many times and will again, but there's not enough on a natal level this time around for anything particular, despite fuzzy feelings or warmth somewhere". I suspect it's the Moons making up some of that, but I can't say when I don't know how much the draconic level is felt between people. I don't know if lunar contact suggests more of the family feel in general. A part inappropriate way is probably putting it as "A brother or sister, but a sibling you'd otherwise maybe even like to have sex with (since you're not actually related)". Pardon me if that's too much information.

posted January 20, 2015 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Oh, sorry. Actually I was thinking those could point to a similar level of soul evolution, especially with the dSun/dSun conjunction. As the Draco chart is calculated by moving the NN to 0.00 Aries, and the whole chart with it accordingly, dSun conjunct dSun means that the difference in degrees between nNN and nSun is the same for both. Which made me think that you were maybe talking about your Twin (who is more likely to have the same level of soul evolution as you do, imo).

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No worries, Peluches. I was rather confused by that, too. Not to mention the fact that the Huber degrees for his NODAL axis is the exact same as my natal NODAL axis.

posted January 20, 2015 12:09 PM            

The conjunction happens with my Guardian's nSUN and my dMOON. Which is curious. I've always found that quirky.

Instead, it's my Twin's dMOON is conjunct his nJUNO-ALMA, and my nJUNO -- and my Guardian's nDESTINN.

His dSUN is also 1º conjunct my Guardian's dASC, which I also find intriguing.