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Topic: Soulmate Synastry?
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margym0o
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From: Ontario, Canada
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posted January 21, 2015 10:21 AM
  
My co-worker and her ex-fiance's relationship was very up and down and though they are no longer together, the feelings still linger. She said the feelings were instant and the relationship moved very fast. He ultimately proposed after a couple years and I think that's when things started to go downhill. He all of a sudden started waffling on his desire to have children and she described him as having a very bad temper. They ended their relationship and it has been at least a couple of years almost and they still refer to each other as each other's "soulmate" and he tries all the time to get her back (despite having a new girlfriend) - saying he was stupid to ruin things and that he wants to marry her and have children. She is hesitant because of everything that happened in the past but still cannot shake the feeling that he was/is a very significant person in her life.Thoughts? Synastry (he is outside):  Composite:  IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted January 21, 2015 11:06 AM
not soulmates, lolIP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted January 21, 2015 11:48 AM
DEFINITE soulmates with some strong outstanding karma. There are undeniable contracts here, and an urge to bond. cSUN conjunct cMOON. There's a tight cVENUS conjunct cMARS, too. I'd watch cPLUTO; he's near the dreaded 19° Libra, showing the potential for violence. This is one to watch. Clearly, he had some major growing to do. Show us the natals? I'm assuming all TOBs are correct, too? IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted January 21, 2015 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
DEFINITE soulmates with some strong outstanding karma. There are undeniable contracts here, and an urge to bond. cSUN conjunct cMOON. There's a tight cVENUS conjunct cMARS, too. I'd watch cPLUTO; he's near the dreaded 19° Libra, showing the potential for violence. This is one to watch. Clearly, he had some major growing to do. Show us the natals? I'm assuming all TOBs are correct, too?
you should probably point out to the OP, since she can't read a chart well, that you are basing your opinion on the composite. the synastry is another story. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
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posted January 21, 2015 01:14 PM
I've seen JUNO conjunct ALMA in synastry in soul-based connexions; specially soulmates. Now if we're misusing 'Twin Flame' again -- then, no. No TF signature. IP: Logged |
margym0o
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From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2014
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posted January 21, 2015 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
DEFINITE soulmates with some strong outstanding karma. There are undeniable contracts here, and an urge to bond. cSUN conjunct cMOON. There's a tight cVENUS conjunct cMARS, too. I'd watch cPLUTO; he's near the dreaded 19° Libra, showing the potential for violence. This is one to watch. Clearly, he had some major growing to do. Show us the natals? I'm assuming all TOBs are correct, too?
I told her what you've said and the first thing out of her mouth was "HOLY ****." Here is what she had to say:
"When he finally proposed he did not want to set a date or talk about wedding plans. As if he was stalling with the same commitment issues. He had a bad temper, could be quite jealous and was especially hurtful with words. When I finally decided to leave- he did get physical and I had to call the authorities. We did not speak after I left for 2 years." What outstanding karma would they need to work through? What shows he needs to grow? Should they get back together? Is there hope for them? Her natal:  Her natal without asteroids (in case the other was hard to read):  His natal:  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 21, 2015 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by margym0o:
was especially hurtful with words. When I finally decided to leave- he did get physical and I had to call the authorities. " ... Should they get back together?
Call me cynical, but are you REALLY asking that question?
Maybe the Karma in this case is simply to stay away from each other. Why would she want to get back with someone who was abusive towards her, especially considering they did not have contact for years?
Why is she NOW thinking about it?
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margym0o
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posted January 21, 2015 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Call me cynical, but are you REALLY asking that question?
Maybe the Karma in this case is simply to stay away from each other. Why would she want to get back with someone who was abusive towards her, especially considering they did not have contact for years?
Why is she NOW thinking about it?
Point well taken. I think because it's been so long and she can't shake these feelings she has, and neither can he. He deeply regrets what he's done and still all this time later swears she is the one for him, etc. I should edit to add she initiated contact with him again in July of last year for some comfort when their dog together fell ill. She thinks the way he handles his anger is different now but otherwise seems to be the same person. IP: Logged |
Plutonian_Gal8
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posted January 21, 2015 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Call me cynical, but are you REALLY asking that question?
Maybe the Karma in this case is simply to stay away from each other. Why would she want to get back with someone who was abusive towards her, especially considering they did not have contact for years?
Why is she NOW thinking about it?
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Blind writer
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From: Texas, USA
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posted January 21, 2015 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by margym0o:
He deeply regrets what he's done and still all this time later swears she is the one for him, etc.
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She thinks the way he handles his anger is different now but otherwise seems to be the same person.
I'm with Ceri on this one. Judging from his placements, he's in his 40's, and I would say if he's had this much time as an adult, he should have had a handle on his anger management issues loooong ago. I sincerely doubt he has changed. Is she being blindsided by her biological clock? He's got his MARS-PLUTO square JUPITER in his natal. They're square her MOON-NEPTUNE, too. There's no shaking that. IP: Logged |
lisalisa
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posted January 21, 2015 05:41 PM
There are no good house overlays at all, definitely not soulmates or mariage material, she has venus in scorpio and her mars is exactly conjunct his sun, for a woman this can mean seeing her ideal man, illusion cause synastry doesnt look good at allIP: Logged |
Peluches
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posted January 21, 2015 06:02 PM
Where does his 8th house cusp fall ? Taurus or Gemini ?IP: Logged |
lisalisa
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posted January 21, 2015 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Where does his 8th house cusp fall ? Taurus or Gemini ?
Gemini, either way, his 8th house is gemini, if TOB is correct IP: Logged |
Peluches
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posted January 21, 2015 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by lisalisa:
Gemini, either way, his 8th house is gemini, if TOB is correct
Thanks, but how did you get that ? Her H8 + cH8's approximate 10.20 degrees = Pisces rather than Aquarius ? Edit : I'm looking for the cusp only, btw. To know the ruler.  IP: Logged |
Peluches
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posted January 21, 2015 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
DEFINITE soulmates with some strong outstanding karma. There are undeniable contracts here, and an urge to bond. cSUN conjunct cMOON. There's a tight cVENUS conjunct cMARS, too. I'd watch cPLUTO; he's near the dreaded 19� Libra, showing the potential for violence. This is one to watch. Clearly, he had some major growing to do. Show us the natals? I'm assuming all TOBs are correct, too?
Auby, What do you call 'soulmates' actually ? People who have met (significantly or not ?) in previous lives, people from the same soul family, any of these... ? IP: Logged |
lisalisa
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posted January 21, 2015 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Thanks, but how did you get that ? Her H8 + cH8's 10.20 degrees = Pisces rather than Aquarius ?Edit : I'm looking for the cusp only, btw. To know the ruler.
The ruler of the house is mercury because the whole house is covered by gemini, the cusp is on the cusp bu even if it was a half degree in taurus still the house ruler is mercury cause more than 80% of it is in gemini
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Peluches
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posted January 21, 2015 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by lisalisa:
The ruler of the house is mercury because the whole house is covered by gemini, the cusp is on the cusp bu even if it was a half degree in taurus still the house ruler is mercury cause more than 80% of it is in gemini
Sure in either case Mercury will be the or one of the rulers, but I'm just wondering whether to count Venus too. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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From: Venus cornering Neptune
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posted January 22, 2015 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by lisalisa:
The ruler of the house is mercury because the whole house is covered by gemini, the cusp is on the cusp bu even if it was a half degree in taurus still the house ruler is mercury cause more than 80% of it is in gemini
I have a slightly different opinion here, sorry, but no, I don't think so. The primary ruler is the cusp. Some are early or very late for a reason. I agree with you however that when the cusp is very early or late and most of the house is covered by one sign, we need to pay an extra attention to that sign and consider it a secondary ruler. But the primary ruler is always the cusp, with the exception of interceptions.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted January 22, 2015 08:30 AM
Margy, my personal opinion on these charts: intense, but not meant to last, a transitory relationship, the composite shows this perfectly: the planets are condensed, two intense Yin/Yangs Venus/Mars, Moon/Sun, but everything is floating. This is probably a relationship that started like lightning, was like one and ended like one. It's like a comet. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted January 22, 2015 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have a slightly different opinion here, sorry, but no, I don't think so. The primary ruler is the cusp. Some are early or very late for a reason. I agree with you however that when the cusp is very early or late and most of the house is covered by one sign, we need to pay an extra attention to that sign and consider it a secondary ruler. But the primary ruler is always the cusp, with the exception of interceptions.
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Peluches
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posted January 22, 2015 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have a slightly different opinion here, sorry, but no, I don't think so. The primary ruler is the cusp. Some are early or very late for a reason. I agree with you however that when the cusp is very early or late and most of the house is covered by one sign, we need to pay an extra attention to that sign and consider it a secondary ruler. But the primary ruler is always the cusp, with the exception of interceptions.
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Peluches
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posted January 22, 2015 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Sure in either case Mercury will be the or one of the rulers, but I'm just wondering whether to count Venus too.
Also, I think that knowing the degree would be important ; for instance, the 29th degree -- the Anaretic degree -- would give extra information on the karma here, and would show 'endings' in relation with the precise meaning of that H8 cusp in this relationship. On the other hand, 0° would indicate 'beginnings' and would give extra significance to his Mercury in H8 matters. Sabian degrees, critical degrees and eventual fixed stars can also be very meaningful ; and it's always useful to know the correct orb in case we find a meaningful aspect somewhere. IP: Logged |
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