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Septembergirl
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posted January 25, 2015 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects should you look for in a progressed composote chart? For instance, what would it mean if would it if the Sun was conjunct Mercury and venus in the progressed composite for the next ten years or so?

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posted January 26, 2015 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for a start only allow an orb of 1 degree for progressed aspects.

aspects within 12 minutes of orb are at their peak (according to Brady).

However it depends what planet is participating. Progressed Moon is very fast (one degree equals one month), Sun, ASC, MC, node take a year for one degree. Venus and Mercury depending on their motion, might be faster than Sun but less fast than Moon.

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posted January 26, 2015 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That's good to know

I tend to draw up chart after chart looking at how things will shift and change. I look for long-term t-squares, to see if there will be constant stress. And I follow transits, Juno, Pholus and NN especially.

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posted January 26, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am currently looking into my own progressions (with midpoints actually), and honestly it is a NIGHTMARE to anticipate when a progression will actually happen (I am talking about the exactness of course).

Because the orb will not cover the same timeframe.

For example if I have an orb of 1 degree, in terms of time that means for:

pMoon: 1 month
pSun, pASC, pMC: approximately 1 year
pVenus: appr. 9 months (I have a fast moving Venus)

while for other people MErcury might be a quick mover, he is slowing down in my progressed chart, preparing to go retrograde.

So as of now my pr Mercury moves only 32 minutes per year (half a degree) in the progressions, while the normal speed would be about 1 and a half degree per year.

So while usually a progression involving Mercury would be a quick one, it is not so in MY chart as of now.


Also, it can get misleading, if we have outer planets participating.

For example as of now I have pNeptune= pMars/MC with an orb of 0°52. Sounds reasonably tight, right? AFter all well under one degree!

Still this one will be exact in february 2016, so we are still talking about a buildup period of one year. (it is moderately quick actually due to the motion of MC).

however right now I also have pMoon=pMercury/Saturn with an orb of 0°49, so almost the same orb as the one above. However since MOon is so quickly moving this aspect will be exact in february 2015, so THIS month.


(and boy will I be glad if that one separates!

The interpretation is like this:
MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/SATURN
Emotional quandary; indecision because of fear of losing; frustration;
inhibited or taxing learning process. inconstancy;


Of course I left out the good manifestations of that aspect, like my structured thinking, howeveras for the keyweords above, boy DO I feel THAT! And have so for the last month!
Faith, you know what I am talking about!
Anyway I am almost through this one. lol
Actually february will be a month when so many different progressions will be "due")

But anyway, so I just meant to say in terms of progressions orb is not the same as another orb. It al depends on the motion of a planet.


STill I have my handy list of pr aspects:

0°30-0°50 separating: fading out
0°10-0°30 separating: still ongoing
0°10 applying to 0°10 separating: PEAK, acuteness
0°30 - 0°10 applying: heating up
0°30 - 0°50 applying: coming in
0°50 - 1°10 applying: music from another room, or distant music


Anyway, seriously if we want to get it really right, we probably hae to check manually which month a progressions will be due, that will be the absolute peak moment, possibly with the month before and after that also being important. Sort of the "hot zone"

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posted January 26, 2015 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceri! I owe you email AND a reply on the Sag thread and look forward to chatting with you. Why can't we be neighbors, though? Typing takes so long!

*moving to Germany one of these days*

*Be prepared*

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am currently looking into my own progressions (with midpoints actually), and honestly it is a NIGHTMARE to anticipate when a progression will actually happen (I am talking about the exactness of course).

Are you talking about computing this stuff in your head? My math skills have died since my last official math class and I never would attempt such a thing.

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Also, it can get misleading, if we have outer planets participating.

For example as of now I have pNeptune= pMars/MC with an orb of 0°52.

Sounds reasonably tight, right? AFter all well under one degree! Still this one will be exact in february 2016, so we are still talking about a buildup period of one year. (it is moderately quick actually due to the motion of MC).


Ohhhhh I see what you mean.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
however right now I also have pMoon=pMercury/Saturn with an orb of 0°49

...

The interpretation is like this:
MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/SATURN
Emotional quandary; indecision because of fear of losing; frustration;
inhibited or taxing learning process. inconstancy;

Faith, you know what I am talking about!


Yes I do. Sorry...I was trying to *will* you to be more optimistic for the January concert, but that's easier said than done.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway I am almost through this one. lol
Actually february will be a month when so many different progressions will be "due"

Which other ones? I'm so curious. But only if you have them handy or memorized...I wouldn't want to inconvenience you.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But anyway, so I just meant to say in terms of progressions orb is not the same as another orb. It al depends on the motion of a planet.

Gotcha =)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
STill I have my handy list of pr aspects:

0°30-0°50 separating: fading out
0°10-0°30 separating: still ongoing
0°10 applying to 0°10 separating: PEAK, acuteness
0°30 - 0°10 applying: heating up
0°30 - 0°50 applying: coming in
0°50 - 1°10 applying: music from another room, or distant music


Yes that is handy, thank you.

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Anyway, seriously if we want to get it really right, we probably hae to check manually which month a progressions will be due, that will be the absolute peak moment, possibly with the month before and after that also being important. Sort of the "hot zone"

That's what I have been doing, though not as meticulously and thoroughly as you do, and without those guidelines you posted.

Random: How do you make the degree symbol with your keyboard?

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posted January 26, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Faith,

yes, it would be great if we could just drop by for a little chat (though I suspect a little chat could easily last hours. lol


"Are you talking about computing this stuff in your head?"
I estimate it in my head (you know roughly) and then check it with astro.com.
Just picking random dates in the timeframe, and usually I am quite close on target. Though if not it can last quite a bit time to get the time right.


"Yes I do. Sorry...I was trying to *will* you to be more optimistic for the January concert, but that's easier said than done."
I guess it was not meant to be, me being more optimistic. However I suppose with Tr Neptune square my Mars and Transit Node square my Saturn all december long it hardly came as a surprise.

Interestingly I was having some really sweet or spicey progressions in december like

pMC=pSun/Venus
pASC = Moon/Mars
Venus = pMoon/Neptune
Mars=pMoon/Pluto

well maybe a little too dreamy, otherworldly and obsessive stuff, though as you might remember december was quite exciting.

The interpretations of the mentioned ones are

M.C. TO MIDPOINT SUN/VENUS
The love-union. A beautiful or wonderful human being, an aesthetic
person, the art-lover, the lover of nature, the artist.

ASCENDANT TO MIDPOINT MOON/MARS
Personal enterprise, leadership (perhaps within the family).


VENUS TO MIDPOINT MOON/NEPTUNE
Highly romanticised feelings of love; spiritual and unearthly love.
Peculiar and strange tendencies in the expression of love, queer, odd
or perverse inclinations. Renunciation; disappointment in love.

MARS TO MIDPOINT MOON/PLUTO
Great changes of mood, easy excitability, the inclination to outbursts
of anger. Frustration and anger.


Yeah, well some extreme moods right there, however at least something was going on, and then all of that excitement was followed in january by

pMoon=pMercury/Saturn
pMoon=Moon/Saturn

(and probably already under the shadow of pVenus=pSaturn/Pluto, which was like 8 minutes of orb, and is going to peak next month actually, just too much Saturn!

naturally it of course brought the natal and progressed Uranus=Moon/Saturn to the foreground as well, as my pMoon is square n and p Uranus, and was doing so eXACTLY on that january day.


URANUS TO MIDPOINT MOON/SATURN
Reaching out for emotional freedom, exploding out of frustration or
inhibitions. Nervous tension, sudden mental and emotional
suffering, separation.

Add that to the note of mental depression of Mercury/Saturn and emotional one as well with Moon=Moon/Saturn and you get quite a gloomy mental state of mind. lol


" I'm so curious. But only if you have them handy or memorized...I wouldn't want to inconvenience you."
Spring will actually be quite full of peaking combinations.

In the background some major things are happening:

In february:
Tr Jupiter opposite n Moon
pr Moon square p Uranus (leaving)
Tr Neptune square n ASC
Tr Chiron conjunct n Juno (well acording to the Magi this should make me enticing as hell. lol)


in march:
Tr Neptune square ASC still
Tr Chiron conjunct Juno
Tr Node conjunct Pluto

solar arc Venus conjunct nMoon
(plus solar arc MC activating n Moon as well, well actually it bring the Venus/MC-combo to the Moon by solar arc

MOON TO MIDPOINT VENUS/M.C.
Deep feeling about romance, a warm-hearted and cordial disposition, a
motherly nature, the typically female qualities. Being valued for
one's work; recognition of a job well done.)

Tr Uranus squares Saturn from march to may

And then in may I have:

Tr Jupiter opposite Moon again
Tr Node conjunct Pluto becomes exact

pMoon opposite p Sun - so a progressed fullmoon in april and may, but it will become exact in may


So march and may seem to be gathering quite some peaking aspects, and I have not even started with the midpoints. lol

as for the progressions, involving midpoints

FEBRUARY
Moon=Mercury/Saturn
Moon=Venus/ASC
Venus=Saturn/Pluto
Moon=Mercury/jupiter
Moon=Sun/Jupiter
Node=Node/AS
Mercury=Moon/MC
Venus=Moon/Node
Jupiter=Moon/Uranus

I told you there were some becoming exact. lol

MOON TO MIDPOINT SUN/JUPITER
A healthy soul in a healthy body. A harmonious expression of feeling.
The feeling of needs fulfilled. A happy hour, a happy or wealthy
person. Good married life.

MOON TO MIDPOINT VENUS/ASC
An attractive and engaging nature, motherliness. Affections shown to
others.

MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/JUPITER
Emotions inspire impressive ideas and welcomed solutions. A pleasant
conversationalist, liveliness. Talkative or lively women. A
lively exchange of thoughts.

MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/SATURN
Emotional quandary; indecision because of fear of losing; frustration;
inhibited or taxing learning process

VENUS TO MIDPOINT MOON/NODE
Affectionate behaviour with others. Contacts or connections with
the arts.

MERCURY TO MIDPOINT MOON/M.C.
Thinking and emotions are well-balanced and influence each other
positively.

VENUS TO MIDPOINT SATURN/PLUTO
Self-discipline, love of solitude and seclusion, asceticism.
Estrangement and Alienation.

NODE TO MIDPOINT NODE/ASC
Personal relationships become prominent.


followed in march by:

Venus=Moon/Jupiter
Jupiter=Moon/Uranus still
Moon=Mars/MC
ASC=Moon/Pluto
Sun=Moon/MC
Pluto=Sun/Neptune

VENUS TO MIDPOINT MOON/JUPITER
An abundance of feeling, a harmonious nature radiating happiness, an
artistic sense. A woman artist. A happy and loving woman.


JUPITER TO MIDPOINT MOON/URANUS
Aims and objectives on a grand scale, ambitious aspirations. Good
intuition, circumspection and vision, a lucky hand in enterprises.
Satisfied ambition, sudden success.

ASC TO MIDPOINT MOON/PLUTO
A violent reaction to the environment, the tendency to cause upsets in
one's environment through one's conduct.


SUN TO MIDPOINT MOON/M.C.
a positive attitude to life, vigour, spirit of
enterprise, a strong link with the mother


MOON TO MIDPOINT MARS/M.C.
Impulsive and premature action, strong emotional excitability, the
desire to impose one's will upon a woman. An independent or excitable
woman.

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT SUN/NEPTUNE
Extreme sensitivity; use of the spiritual, psychic, or illusory as a
force for persuasion; fateful or tragic deception or illusion.

(hopefully I will not fall prey to the illusion thing, but the spiritual, psychic elements, well it is already applying this aspect. lol)

and then in april

MC= Moon/Venus
Moon=ASC/MC

M.C. TO MIDPOINT MOON/VENUS
A heart filled with love. A loving wife or mother. Becoming a
wife or mother. Feeling valuable, success.


and in may and june, when the progressed fullmoon will happen in my chart


MC=Moon/Venus
Moon=Mars/Pluto
MOon=Neptune/MC
Moon=Node/MC
ASC=Venus/Saturn
Moon=Moon/Venus
Mercury=Node/ASC

Sun=Mars/Pluto
Moon=Pluto/ASC
Moon=Venus/Jupiter
ASC=Uranus/ASC

Moon=Pluto/NOde (july)
Moon=Sun/Venus
and sadly also Pluto=Mars/Saturn


M.C. TO MIDPOINT MOON/VENUS
A heart filled with love. A loving wife or mother. Becoming a
wife or mother. Feeling valuable, success.

MOON TO MIDPOINT MOON/VENUS
Love and sensitivity.

MOON TO MIDPOINT NODE/M.C.
The challenge and fulfilment of sharing emotions with others; sharing
and caring .


MERCURY TO MIDPOINT NODE/ASC
Entertainment, gossip, exchanging ideas, news, travelling to meetings.

ASC TO MIDPOINT VENUS/SATURN
Hiding one's light, shyness, withdrawing, fear of not being accepted.
(could also mean a scary serious commitment or relationship. lol)

MOON TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
Audacity and daring, taking a chance, impulsiveness, ambition; playing
a powerful hunch; self-belief; publicity. An energetic and determined
woman.

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SUN TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
The ability to work till collapse or complete breakdown; passionate
attack to achieve an objective. Accident potential; intervention of
some undeniable force or authority; upset of plans that is
irremediable.

MOON TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/ASC
Either a strong emotional response to one's environment. Or: wielding a
powerful psychic influence upon others.


MOON TO MIDPOINT VENUS/JUPITER
A good-natured disposition, affectionate and cordial manner, charm.
A woman permeated with the joy of love (bride or mother).


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PLUTO TO MIDPOINT MARS/SATURN
Brutality, the rage of fury and destruction. The need to take
control; forcing an issue; strong anger. An act of God; injury to body,
death in mass.
(well let`s hope not so. lol Well they are always so dramatic. I rather think of it as total restructure of well pretty much everything. lol)


MOON TO MIDPOINT SUN/VENUS
Strong feelings of love, an attractive personality, the demonstration
of love.

MOON TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/NODE
Reaching for the big picture; making the big scene emotionally;
ambition is magnified; or there is too much fear for any action.


yeah well, whatever, moving on. lol

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I think the German keyboard is different to an American one, at least in terms of what symbols are there on which key. For us there is a key in the 2nd row, just to the left, that has a little circle on it, and with that I make the degree symbol.

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posted January 26, 2015 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry September girl, did not mean to derail your thread.

Mercury, Venus and Sun are quite often in conjunction, however if that should be exact, it might bode well for friendship, communication, harmony, attraction and a relationship (friendship or romance), provided of course there is no other planet making nasty aspects. A square of Saturn to this combo, might give a different vibe here.

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posted January 26, 2015 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's ok. I'm just trying to get an idea about how long a situation is going to drive me crazy. 😜

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posted January 26, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, thank you Ceri! I read all of that with interest and was very excited at how often "becoming a mother" popped up. Cuz I saw in my dream how he looked at you... and it's about time you gave in.

Sorry, could NOT resist.

But it really is amazing how much drama is in store for you. I share in that tr Node conjunct Pluto...and where is your Juno? Chiron will be on my moon in March.

Wish I had this natally:

quote:
MOON TO MIDPOINT SUN/JUPITER
A healthy soul in a healthy body. A harmonious expression of feeling.
The feeling of needs fulfilled. A happy hour, a happy or wealthy
person. Good married life.

^^ Some people have all the luck.

Basically everything looks good except wherever Saturn intrudes, and the ASC to Moon-Pluto MP and Pluto to Mars/Saturn MP (but isn't that a bit exaggerated? You're never violent ) And:

quote:
SUN TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
The ability to work till collapse or complete breakdown; passionate
attack to achieve an objective. Accident potential; intervention of
some undeniable force or authority; upset of plans that is
irremediable.

I HOPE there are no accidents...

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(hopefully I will not fall prey to the illusion thing, but the spiritual, psychic elements, well it is already applying this aspect. lol)

Yes yes I thought so.

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posted January 26, 2015 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Septembergirl:
That's ok. I'm just trying to get an idea about how long a situation is going to drive me crazy. 😜

I think part of it is the tight quincunx from Mars to sun-Mercury in the progressed composite, and that will ease off in the next few years. Right now it is all exact (24 Cancer Mars; 24 Sag sun-Mercury) so no wonder it's distracting.

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posted January 27, 2015 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
concerning crazymaking quinkunxes in pr composites


ours looks like this now
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there is a pythagorean triangle (square, trine, quinkunx) of MErcury, Jupiter and Uranus, but it is already separating. though I think the pr Moon coming into the triangle formation might make it interesting again.


However this was how it was on the concert when he was commenting on me making him crazy, Faith. lol


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Mercury 13°41 Aquarius
Uranus 13°41 Scorpio
Jupiter 13°38 Gemini

Well that was one very exact one,r ight?


Additionally that day (and actually that hour and minute. lol) there was

Tr Mars 12°35 Libra
Tr Pluto 12°47 Capricorn
Tr Vertex 12°19 Leo
Tr Uranus 15°56 Aries (a bit out of range. lol)

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posted January 27, 2015 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HOLY COW!! Look at that beautiful, beautiful kite!!!!

Will that hold until the next concert? It will, right? Will the sun be transiting conjunct that Mercury?

I'm trying to get a grip on pythagorean triangles...all I've turned up in my research is "sense of humor" but Mr Sag did not seem to be laughing about you driving him crazy. (But *we* can laugh )

So what's your take on it? What does it mean?

I have one natally...sun quincunx Mars, Mars trine Pluto, Pluto square sun...and I don't know what it means. Except that I can be obnoxious. *pleads guilty*

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posted January 27, 2015 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mercury 13°41 Aquarius
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Jupiter 13°38 Gemini
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Tr Mars 12°35 Libra

Makes sense that there was expanded (Jupiter), eccentric communication (Aqua Mercury square Uranus) about your relationship with him and its effects (Libra Mars.) !!!

ETA:And this is yet another reason you two make sense to me Your pr comp sun is conjunct my 5 Aqua Mercury, and I have Mercury square Uranus natally (1 orb.)

The apex of your kite is conjunct my 16 Gemini Mars (opposing your pr comp Neptune exactly.) So no wonder I dream about you, you two are beaming my Mars with all that Neptune.

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posted January 27, 2015 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for fun

Progressed composite with an ex of mine, a few years from now ~

Will be sending telepathic messages: "You were a real jerk, you know."

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posted January 27, 2015 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"HOLY COW!! Look at that beautiful, beautiful kite!!!!"
Yes, the Kite is not exact though, but I suppose close enough in orb. Especially since it of course aligns with certain midpoint pictures. pr Neptune might be too far away from Jupiter to really be "in orb" (in terms of progressions), however if Mercury has progressed to 17 Aquarius (my natal Moon is there, so I am rather fond of that placement. lol), that pr Neptune will be on the Mercury/Pluto-mp.

Same thing with pr Moon, of course as of now it is still too far from opposing Neptune. However the Moon/Neptune-mp is on about 13°50 Virgo or Pisces. Since however all the 4th harmonic aspects are valid and equal with midpoint pictures it means that pr Jupiter is on the Moon/Neptune-mp, hence being sort of a bridge for that.

Of course the question is if that is really such a good thing to have.

JUPITER TO MIDPOINT MOON/NEPTUNE
Abundant powers of imagination, fantasy, good understanding of others
through a sympathetic and compassionate attitude, far-reaching wishes.
Artistic success.


I suppose this month we could be dreaming up our own world. lol No, not seriously. Of course this is just valid for now as pr Moon will be moving on rather quickly. Though on the other hand in june pr Moon will be on 16 Gemini (right on my natal Karma) and more importantly just separating from the Grand trine with Mercury and Pluto.

However it WILL be on the midpoint of Mercury/Pluto.

prMercury/Pluto 15°08 Sagittarius
n Neptune 15°12 Sagittarius

And a little before that in may


pr Mercury/Pluto 15°05 Sagittarius
pr Moon 15°39 Gemini


so this midpoint pictures would be acute
MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/PLUTO
The power to speak with heart and soul and consequently convince
people; adaptability in thinking and speaking particularly in relation to
women.


The funny thing is that I have that in my natal chart, and it is my CLOSEST midpoint.


of course the other planets in the Grand trine will form midpoint pictures as well

However by then (july approximately) pr Mercury will be on 14°42 Aquarius and leaving the one degree orb for the aspects to Jupiter and Uranus, while still applying to Pluto.

the aspect between Jupiter and Pluto for example will become exact in about 25 years from now, that is how long it takes for a 2 degree orb to become exact!
So whenever we have outer planets in progressions we certainly need personal ones to activate something, as the outers (starting with Jupiter, and even Mars is slowish) are too slow on their own.
However IF they become exact, it possibly is a milestone, especially with the personal ones being in play, too.


"Will that hold until the next concert? It will, right? Will the sun be transiting conjunct that Mercury?"

The Sun will be on 15°50 Aquarius.
I think it will be still valid, though usually I keep my transits to 1 degree.
In this instance it is interesting that I have my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius though.

In asteroid terms all of this highlights a minor asteroid synastric aspect of

his SAPPHO 13°30 Aquarius
my APHRODITE 13°01 Libra
his pr ISHTAR 13°05 Aquarius


and pr composite APHRODITE is on 11 Libra, too.

"all I've turned up in my research is "sense of humor" but Mr Sag did not seem to be laughing about you driving him crazy. (But *we* can laugh )"
Lol Nope he did not. And usually he is laughing about EVERYTHING. I suppose that is what was odd last time we spoke too, he seemed so uncharacteristically *serious*. I am not used to it, he makes jokes out of ANYTHING. Even back then on that concert, he eventually got a grip on himself and did a very playful funny scene with his colleague (and smoothing over what went on before ).
It makes me nervous when he is being so serious and focused like he was last time.

As for the Pythagorean triangle, I think there is a certain disbalance there, like you are always trying to find a balance, while everything seems so lopsided, too much, too little, never getting the right measure and also the feeling of slight insecurity and dizziness as if you are about to stumble, but at the same time it is an energy circuit, it does not break apart, the energy flows, just it flows smoothly in the trine, abruptly in the square and well a little stop-and-go in the quinkunx probably.
You need a sense of humour to find some semblance of balance, I suppose.
the Magi call the planet at the vcorner of the quinkunx and the square th power planet (as these are the tense aspects in this), so for us that would be Uranus, which is our composite ruler and sitting on the MC in the natal composite. So yeah, CRAZY.

Funny enough our first meeting chart has such a pyth. triangle as well, at very tight orbs, consisting of Moon-Pluto-conjunction, Sun and Saturn. In this instance Sun is the power planet as it squares SAturn and quinknx Moon-Pluto.


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posted January 27, 2015 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"akes sense that there was expanded (Jupiter), eccentric communication (Aqua Mercury square Uranus) about your relationship with him and its effects (Libra Mars.) !!!"
Yes, there were some intense midpoints as well.

"ETA:And this is yet another reason you two make sense to me Your pr comp sun is conjunct my 5 Aqua Mercury, and I have Mercury square Uranus natally (1 orb.)"
Yes, that makes a lot of sense.
BTw my pr Moon is on 3 Leo as of now. (and his pr Sun is at about 3 Aquarius).

and my natal Karma is on 16 Gemini.

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posted January 27, 2015 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Just for fun

Progressed composite with an ex of mine, a few years from now ~


Will be sending telepathic messages: "You were a real jerk, you know."



lol
That is awesome! A sun-Moon-conjunction (a new beginning in your relationship cycle - ex or not. lol)plus the telepathic posibilities!

I always forget, how far is that from your natal Venus?

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posted January 27, 2015 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW I mentioned that I was having Tr NN square my Saturn in january, right?

I just noticed that Mr Sag is having Tr Saturn squaring his NN currently, and it was exact just 2 days before the concert!

Well I remember the time Tr Saturn was squaring MY nodal axis.
it was a tough time, in fact it was in the year we first met and actually about the time I decided to stage my first disappearance act.

When we first met, like the exact day, he was having Tr Saturn conjunct n NN (under one degree orb!).


Well give or take some months I am going to have Tr Saturn on my NN in the nearer future. lol


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posted January 28, 2015 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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however if Mercury has progressed to 17 Aquarius (my natal Moon is there, so I am rather fond of that placement. lol), that pr Neptune will be on the Mercury/Pluto-mp.

Reminder: Your moon is exactly on my sun-moon MP. So I will enjoy your prNep=Merc/Pluto stories quite a lot, if you share them!

Can you get midpoint charts for progressed composites? I tried the straightforward way (pulled up pr comp chart, clicked Ebertin style) and it didn't work.

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JUPITER TO MIDPOINT MOON/NEPTUNE
Abundant powers of imagination, fantasy, good understanding of others
through a sympathetic and compassionate attitude, far-reaching wishes.
Artistic success.

^^ This is on my bucket list for permanent synastry, if I'm ever single again.

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MOON TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/PLUTO
The power to speak with heart and soul and consequently convince
people; adaptability in thinking and speaking particularly in relation to
women.

Oh my gosh, finally! You two will speak heart and soul???!!!

And right when your pr moon is conjunct my Mars. Be still my heart. <3

=)

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The funny thing is that I have that in my natal chart, and it is my CLOSEST midpoint.

It shows in your amazing writing ability and I hope it comes in very handy if this manifests as an outward, tangible *event* between you two.

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the aspect between Jupiter and Pluto for example will become exact in about 25 years from now, that is how long it takes for a 2 degree orb to become exact!
So whenever we have outer planets in progressions we certainly need personal ones to activate something, as the outers (starting with Jupiter, and even Mars is slowish) are too slow on their own.
However IF they become exact, it possibly is a milestone, especially with the personal ones being in play, too.

Thanks for explaining

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You need a sense of humour to find some semblance of balance, I suppose.
the Magi call the planet at the vcorner of the quinkunx and the square th power planet (as these are the tense aspects in this), so for us that would be Uranus, which is our composite ruler and sitting on the MC in the natal composite. So yeah, CRAZY.

Impressively crazy! O_o

I like how you described the pyth triangle process of bumping along..I've actually described my writing that way before, as if I am tripping along relentlessly and clumsily in high heels.

In my case, it's my weirdo Gem Mars that's the power planet (weird because it's out of bounds and retrograde, and exactly to the minute sextile Jupiter.)

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BTw my pr Moon is on 3 Leo as of now. (and his pr Sun is at about 3 Aquarius).

It never stops with you two, does it?! LOL

You and I are both pr Leo moons then! *roars*

I was not going to mention that his pr sun is on my Eros but changed my mind. Maybe I will watch that train video again....

LOL j/k

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That is awesome! A sun-Moon-conjunction (a new beginning in your relationship cycle - ex or not. lol)plus the telepathic posibilities!

I will have to drive by his house slowly in the middle of the night, beaming very evil, telepathic nightmares through his windows.

hehehehe kidding again. It's really late and I am just giddy with tiredness. I'm not like that, but I do not want a new cycle. Well maybe if he sent me an apology that would be satisfying and heal some things. But no new cycles, my god!!

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I always forget, how far is that from your natal Venus?

Natal Venus: 6 Sag

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I just noticed that Mr Sag is having Tr Saturn squaring his NN currently, and it was exact just 2 days before the concert!

Oh is he Pisces NN? No...Virgo NN, correct? 1979 was Virgo.

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posted January 28, 2015 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So I will enjoy your prNep=Merc/Pluto stories quite a lot, if you share them!"
I have Jupiter in 3rd, I will share EVERYTHING.

as for this particular midpoint:
"To be extremely receptive to the ideas of others. To be mentally obsessive about one’s ideals. Nagging and relentless thoughts sap one’s energy.

Overdoing issues drains energy and wears out one's welcome.
Over-sensitivity, the pursuit of peculiar plans; cunning, falsehood,
calumny, libel or defamation.

Uncertainty regarding the near future. Sneaky, uncertain conditions."

Nice, hu?

"Can you get midpoint charts for progressed composites? I tried the straightforward way (pulled up pr comp chart, clicked Ebertin style) and it didn't work."
No, unfortunately does not work. We have to do them manually.


"^^ This is on my bucket list for permanent synastry, if I'm ever single again."

Funny enough my Sun and Mercury are on his Moon/Neptune-mp, though not insanely close, still valid.

my Mercury=his Moon/Neptune (0°32)
my Sun= his Moon/Neptune (1°23)

Actually they are also on his Venus/Uranus-mp, but that is another topic.


If you read them as midpoint picture (though of course one of the planets comes from my chart), I seem to activate in him

SUN TO MIDPOINT MOON/NEPTUNE
A delicate relationship; the man trying to support the woman.
Illuminated aesthetics; the importance of spirit. A sensitive wife. Illusions
and deceptions.

MERCURY TO MIDPOINT MOON/NEPTUNE
Control of inner vision by intelligence and common sense. Fantasy,
imagination, artistic talents. Saying one thing and meaning another,
vagueness.

Definitely made me laugh.

oh and this one

SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/URANUS
Love adventures; ready-to-go; a nature quickly aroused.


MERCURY TO MIDPOINT VENUS/URANUS
The ability to give stimulating ideas, particularly artistic ideas, to
other people. The sudden emergence of love-thoughts.


"Oh my gosh, finally! You two will speak heart and soul???!!!"
nah, I don´t think so.
Well my mom will be there, too. lol

Also, I am not even sure he will even see me there, and even if so, well I suppose I will just go there as normal member of the audience and for once not messing up the scene. lol
Just taking a bit of backseat and taking a time out of that merry - go - round, and just relax and enjoy the artistic performance.


"In my case, it's my weirdo Gem Mars that's the power planet (weird because it's out of bounds and retrograde, and exactly to the minute sextile Jupiter.)"
quite a pronounced Mars then.

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You and I are both pr Leo moons then! *roars*"
Where is yours?

"I was not going to mention that his pr sun is on my Eros but changed my mind. Maybe I will watch that train video again...."
LOL
I could do, too.

Well he did take down the video he made of the audience, you know the one with the nursery rhyme.

2beaming very evil, telepathic nightmares through his windows.2
That bad breakup hu?

" But no new cycles, my god!!"
New cycle can also mean having closure.

"...Virgo NN, correct? 1979 was Virgo."
'Yes. 1 Virgo

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posted January 28, 2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve been looking up the midpoints in the natal composite.

sun = Saturn/Chiron 0°37
An awareness of the spiritual reasons for why all of the limitations around us are present, and what we have to learn from them.


Moon=Mars/Node 0°55
The emotional need to have constructive interaction with groups or individuals. To feel vulnerable about the reactions one gets when asserting oneself with individuals or groups. To overreact to the conflicts that happen with the people or groups with whom one is connected.

Moon= Pluto/ Chiron 0°21
To experience feelings of great intensity, which, if given into, can lead to profound healing.


Moon= Venus/ASC 0°49
The emotional need to have peace and harmony between oneself and others. To nurture others by soothing them and showing them love.

Moon= Sun/Saturn 1°16
Security comes from having definite goals and/or working toward them in a disciplined manner. An emotional need to understand the meaning of life. Periodic moods in which one feels a lack of self-confidence. To organize one’s life around a central purpose gives one a feeling of security.

Mercury= Venus/MC 0°52
To communicate in a polished authoritative manner, and/or in a way that causes one to get along with employers. One’s mind is always thinking in terms of the highest values attainable.


Mercudry= Moon/Uranus 0°24
The need to speak freely about how one is feeling. Experiencing stress in the nervous system due to sudden changes in emotions. The need to experiment when one communicates. A sudden flood of ideas that occurs periodically, and the need to be open to these and attentive to these.


Mercury= Saturn/Pluto 1°19
To communicate in an intensely serious way. A mind fraught with intense curiosity, and who has a driving urge to get to the bottom of things. Obsessive concentration on certain ideas. At worst, an extreme mental rigidity.


Mercury= Sun/Jupiter 1°21
Communicating in an excessively optimistic and confident way which may turn other people off. Success in communicating, and possible notoriety for it. A generous and magnanimous way of thinking.


Venus= Jupiter/Saturn 0°14
One is patient and persistent in the realm of love and is willing to allow it to develop and unfold gradually.


Mars= Pluto / Chiron 0°37
Action which has a deeply healing and transformative effect. Extremely intense impulses are felt, and need to be acted on, or else great stress might be the result. Spiritual forces are pushing hard at one to take the initiative to further evolution.

Mars= ASC/Venus 0°33
To assert oneself in a smooth, non-confrontative manner that takes into account the needs of others. To take the initiative to share with others.

Mars=Sun/Saturn 1°00
Lack of self-confidence when asserting oneself. Doing things in a carefully controlled and purposefully organized manner, always with an eye on long-range results. Working too hard depletes vitality.


Jupiter= Node/ASC 0°23
Enthusiasm for allowing one’s personality and self-concept to grow. Negatively to overcompensate for problems which arise in one’s life by trying to hold on more and more tightly to old ways of seeing and defining oneself.

Jupiter= Moon/Chiron 0°39
An enthusiasm and optimism that nurtures others in a profoundly healing way. A generous way of nurturing others that helps them to overcome emotional blocks and encourages them to be more aligned with their instincts.

Jupiter= Mars/ASC 1°34
An enthusiasm for giving to and getting stimulation from those with whom one is connected. Generosity in putting one’s energy into group projects.

Saturn = Sun/Pluto 0°59
The slow and gradual spiritualizing of the ego, which possibly happens through harsh, difficult or painful events. Being afraid of one’s own personal power and the potential of misusing it. To feel tremendously oppressed by feelings of worthlessness which are only healed when one ceases to use outer, materialistic and/or superficial criteria to assess the self.

Saturn = Neptune/Chiron 0°41
To be sensitive to subtle influences and to possibly feel afraid of and/or oppressed by them, until one realizes that following the guidance of one’s intuition is a key to one’s spiritual growth

Uranus = Saturn/ASC 0°46
You want others to take your uniqueness and originality seriously. The desire to be free of one’s personal limitations and inadequacies. At worst, you ignore them, but can only do this for so long. At best, you see how you really need them because they help you to grow, and commit yourself to working on them as a path toward liberation.

Uranus= Jupiter/Pluto 0°35
Having inspirations about how one can use a situation for personal expansion, or as a learning experience, or as a way of furthering evolution. A genius for knowing how to make something grow or evolve. The possibility that one’s experiments will be wildly successful.

Neptune = Mercury/Jupiter 1°15
Too much thinking can cause confusion. A clever and expansive imagination. One’s idealism causes one to reach out to a wealth of ideas. One feels an obligation to be generous in the spreading of useful information.

Neptune= Venus/Uranus 1°00
A refined sense of what is unusual or eccentric. To see the unusual and the beautiful in the everyday world. One holds the ideal of giving and receiving love freely and openly, and being non judgmental.

Neptune= Chiron / ASC 0°23
As one’s intuition becomes more and more attuned to the spiritual realms one’s personality becomes cleared and healed, so that it is a transparent vehicle through which cosmic forces may work.

Neptune= Venus/MC 1°09
To love authorities in an idealized fashion. To need someone or some thing to worship. An idealistic love nature.


Pluto = Sun/ASC 1°20
Intimidating others by coming off as overly self-important. Ultimately realizing that both oneself and others need to identify with their own true self-importance, rather than superficialities or appearances.

Pluto = Jupiter/Saturn 1°01
To have extremely strong and intense feelings about right and wrong. To be obsessively persistent in one’s determination. The transforming of a situation through long, hard work.

Node= Moon/Venus 1°19
The need to form loving connections with others. One needs to develop one’s ability to share feelings in relationships.

Node= Mars/Pluto 1°35
To work hard with others or with groups. One is learning in this lifetime how to intensify one’s efforts, and how to guide one’s energy more effectively into constructive channels.

Node= Mercury/Saturn 1°15
The desire to seek out people with whom one can have deep and/or profound communication. A need to get out of old patterns of thinking and to find new systems of thought.

Chiron= Uranus/Pluto 1°01
One’s vibration helps others to open up and to be more free, and even eventually to instigate profound changes in one’s life.

Chiron= Pluto /MC 1°09
One’s vibration helps others to see the true source of their security and hence to let go of their insecurities. The ability to heal through helping others to become more attuned to spiritual realities.


ASC = Pluto/MC 0°24
One has a strong need to be respected and/or to be seen as a powerful person. A personality fraught with intense insecurities. One’s limited sense of who one is may stand in the way of being able to allow spiritual forces in to one’s life. The need to let go of basic assumptions about the self that are restrictive and hence prevent one’s following one’s spiritual path.

ASC = Uranus/Node 0°12
One has the ability to freely connect with others. The desire to be able to change the self and to let go of the limits you tend to place on your identity so that you may grow.

ASC = Mars/Uranus 1°23
A person full of surprises. One comes across as unpredictable, and others may find this exciting and/or threatening.

MC= Neptune/Pluto 1°29
The tendency to idealize parent figures and people in authority, and consequently the possibility of being profoundly let down by doing so. Extreme dedication to one’s career. To approach one’s career work with tremendous imaginativeness and/or subtlety.

MC= Jupiter/Node 0°59
A career involving successfully connecting to other people and encouraging their progress. Your life goal involves seeing how excess can impede you, whereas realizing exactly what your good fortune is and making use of it will advance you.

MC = Mercury / Pluto 0°19
Creating deeper and truer communication should be a major part of one’s life’s work. Mental battles with employers. A need to allow one’s mind to be mentally receptive to spiritual energy rather than shutting it out due to rigidly and relentlessly held attitudes and ideas.

MC = Mars/Jupiter 0°12
One is capable of playing the role of an authority figure who encourages others to act, but negatively may come across as excessively dominating if one’s fears and insecurities have not been released.

MC= Neptune/Node 1°17
To be duped by authority figures, or to idealize them in a way that retards one’s personal growth. In one’s career one makes subtle, intuitive connections with others. One’s spiritual path in this life involves the development of one’s intuition.

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posted January 29, 2015 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm new at this, so please pardon my ignorance, but where is the nn and sn in the wheel type chart? Is it the same as the true node, and how do you know which is the north and south?

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posted January 29, 2015 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Just for fun

Progressed composite with an ex of mine, a few years from now ~


Will be sending telepathic messages: "You were a real jerk, you know."



Faith, is this "the book" ex? 😁

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posted January 29, 2015 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ No, I always call "the book ex" my ex-soulmate. Never just "an ex"

Ceri, I'm consolidating all my replies to you into an email this morning. Coming soon


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Originally posted by Faith:
^^ No, I always call "the book ex" my ex-soulmate. Never just "an ex"


Good to know! . Thank you!

Ceri, I'm consolidating all my replies to you into an email this morning. Coming soon




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