posted February 07, 2015 07:06 AM            

I agree though, Saturn can feel stifling and just like you`re being stuck. At times it gets too heavy.

Also the absense of Jupiter and Uranus can do that, too. (especially to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars).

For you with Mercury-Uranus, this would probably be a bore.

Interestingly negative Neptune aspects, can do that, too. This swamp feeling, fogginiess, lethargy, and like you are being drained of energy.

Neptune has been squaring my Mars for like forever, and everytime he was hitting it under one degree, I would feel like I could hardly keep my eyes open, but not in the good way.

I suppose Neptune to the fiery planets does that, and maybe Saturn, too. Neptune-Venus would probably be different though, more like "glamour and romance on steroids".

posted February 07, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hmmm...yeah, I can see that.

Not having a good marriage day here, if it's not too obvious Tr Mars on the apex of our kite, Chiron, which is conjunct my moon.

Feel so stuck...

We both have Taurus SN so it's not like I can blame him...more, like inertia in the relationship.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:08 AM            

This is the comp of me and my friend of 20 years. When we meet we always do the same things, go to the same places, speak about the same things, it's like we can't help ourselves lol it's a total rut; when you can be the complete and basic you with someone, growth is hindered. She doesn't encourage change with me, she feels threatened by it. But the good side is of course, is reliving the same safe haven over and over again. Apart from this, there are great parts in our friendship, such as final devotion and loyalty, on both sides. She's a Cap on my ASC, 20 deg. Our synastry is conjunctions and a big Minor triangle, only two generational squares. Very very comfortable relationship.

posted February 07, 2015 10:04 AM            

If you say it's a rut, I believe you...but I think with someone like that backing you up, you have more power to achieve things in your life.

posted February 07, 2015 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In my experience, too many trines or GTs. A conjunction-oriented synastry/composite. I second what Ceri says, although paradoxically, Saturn can bring a lot of growth.

This is the comp of me and my friend of 20 years. When we meet we always do the same things, go to the same places, speak about the same things, it's like we can't help ourselves lol it's a total rut; when you can be the complete and basic you with someone, growth is hindered. She doesn't encourage change with me, she feels threatened by it. But the good side is of course, is reliving the same safe haven over and over again. Apart from this, there are great parts in our friendship, such as final devotion and loyalty, on both sides. She's a Cap on my ASC, 20 deg. Our synastry is conjunctions and a big Minor triangle, only two generational squares. Very very comfortable relationship.

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I was thinking a lot of trines, too.

posted February 07, 2015 10:53 AM            

I agree with page one, especially trines.

But I think you're describing something else here: a relationship where only one part is very good (an important one in this case lol) but the rest is average, maybe?? I've been in one of these myself, and the good part was the same as you describe; but my Uranus helped me get out. So being in such a relationship requires a compromise and you analyze if that compromise is worth it, sometimes it is; unless you ask yourself how you can be the initiator of the other parts or maybe seek them some place else? For example, solve the intellectual needs with other people?

I'm not sure what you mean about control and how serious this is. Does this control prevents you from growing in various personal directions? Are you sure it;s him doing that?

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posted February 07, 2015 12:19 PM            

Saturn square jupiter also means your sense of expansion and generosity for each other goes against your sense of discipline and structure.

Your node in scorpio conjunct eris and trine your mode and Mars plus you have pluto square moon so all in all I can see the good part is really good! Plus I know you two have moon-pluto conjunct in synastry. All of this feels plutonic to me

Any way, I'm not sure the pluto conjunct uranus is generational but it might mean that in other to plunge to the depth of love, you two need to learn the beauty of freedom and individuality.

To be honest, whatever I say is an interpretation. Peome will jump in and say moon-saturn is in charts of many married couples (happy or not). And of course it's probably in charts of people who break up to. TSaturn is in my 7th so I've been thinking about relationships a lot. Liz Greene said that if you want to enter a relationship, your composite chart is the expression and it's up to you to choose if the "terms" delineated in the composite is what you would accept. I'd say the same thing for Synastry too, that even though certain conjunction and square are up to you to control, emotions are complicated matters that we do not act rationally upon (most of the time any way). There's always potential vu how often do you see a failing student chooses to study really hard and pass a class? It happens. But not as likely as the possibility that the student would eventually flunk. And you can always make room for the best potential but you really need to make room for the worst as well.
I don't even have my act together to give you advices but you have been discussing your marriage problems recently in a few threads here. Of course the transits my trigger something but your relationship wouldn't be triggered the way it is if certain patterns are not there.
Perhaps you need sometimes off from him (maybe just temporarily?) to gain objectivity of the matters (given the strength of pluto, scorpio north node and the pluto-uranus conjunction). I remembered you are pretty uranian as well so that uranus is gonna nag on and on until you pay attention.

posted February 07, 2015 02:56 PM            

Personally I do it on LLbecayse I hope people can point out what's wrong but I don't risk it turning into gossip like when I complain with someone offline

posted February 07, 2015 03:26 PM            

I just realized that you have almost the same chart as my friend`s husband!
He was born on 4th january though (putting his Moon onto 15 Aquarius).

Well he DID marry a Virgo! (though she has a Mercury-Venus-Mars-Pluto-conjunction in Libra widely opposing her Aries-Moon and squaring her Cancer-ASC).

"is Uranus is trine my Venus pretty close...one reason we've held together."
Yes I could imagine that without Uranus it would not have felt worth it in the long run.

"His Saturn conjunct my Neptune (almost 5'00); my 0' Saturn square his 29' Neptune."
Well quite honestly, I have a high respect (some might say irriational fear) for SAturn-Netpune. I know its good sides, structure, making your dreams a reality, but when it`s bad, it is really bad. It`s depression! It`S a clash betwen two worlds, and it can be surprisingly cold. Of course it is karmic, and it can ALSO be very emotional.

Well I cannot really put it into words, however some of my worst depression times hit me when Tr Saturn was opposite my Neptune, and before that when Tr Neptune opposed my Saturn.
For some reason I cannot remember the square. Let me check

Oh I was having it in 2008, just a few weeks after first meeting Mr SAg, when I made that stupid silly decision to stage a disappearance act.

I suppose I tried to avoid the karma, that seems to be there after all.

While we do not have OBVIOUS Saturn-Neptune-synastry I wonder about these:

- his Saturn quintile my Neptune

and then in the Draconic-nodal chart
- my Dr Neptune on 29 Pisces opposing his natal Saturn (3°05)
- his Dr Neptune on 18 Cancer conjunct my natal Saturn (2°07)

It`s hard to NOT notice this one. lol Yet I manged to do so for the last 7 years, a Saturn-cylce I know I know I know. We met when Tr Saturn was EXACT conjunct his NN. Now it`s heading towards MY NN (and Neptune). I suppose it is not going to be easy, but when I have learned one thing with Saturn in the recent years, you can`t escape him. he`s not going to yell and shout and stomp and drag you at your hairs back to where you are supposed to go as a very Martian Pluto might do, but he`s persistent. He`s just.not.going.away.
And he doesn`t give you the easy way out.
But I guess you know that with your man`s Saturn on your Neptune (and Venus to boot). Certainly NOT easy, but very very binding. possibly a karmic contract between the two of you.

I guess though with the upcoming Saturn-Neptune-square in the transits, that Saturn-Neptune-synastry will be put into focus very clearly, very accentuated, and it`s a heavyweight.

BTW have you read that?
http://www.throughnightsfire.com/SaturnNeptuneconnections.html

Though in ordinary life, and especially for Jupiter, Uranus or the more easygoing Venus and Mercury-people, Saturn-NEptune can simply feel dull instead of dangerous and allconsuming. But it IS consuming.

Anyway for us there is also

- his Moon=my Saturn/Neptune-mp (0°09)
His MC as well.

Funny enough my Moon= his Venus/Mars and his Venus/Jupiter
What a difference, right?
So I trigger a Venus-Mars and Venus-Jupiter-reaction in him (emotionally) and he repays the favour by bringing out Saturn/Neptune for me?`??`
Not nice.
So while apparently he fels quite, well, energized (not wanting to get too graphic about that Venus/Mars-mp in Scorpio )by me, he makes me (feel) sick?

Of course it probably simply means he gives me the opportunity to work through the Saturn-Neptune swamp of insecurities and what do I know?
There IS a good side to Saturn-Neptune after all, but sometimes it feels very well hidden, right?

"Principle: Psychic sensitivity, which can manifest in irrational fear, paranoia, feeling drained, confused, etc. The need to take one's psychic sensitivity seriously, and to protect it. Physical problems whose roots are to be found in one's psychic sensitivity, and which can therefore be difficult to diagnose by traditional medical means. The attempt to combine the ideal with the real, that is, to bring one's ideals into physical manifestation. The feeling of being let down, frustrated, or sad when one's ideals fail to become a reality. The need to stand firm and true by one's ideals and to purify them by purging them of any delusions or distortions, so that one may clearly see the relationship between one's hopes and dreams and physical reality.

Process: The clearing away of confusion and misconceptions. The realization of the relationship between one's ideals and the limitations of the physical world, which leads to the ability to hold on to ideals while yet also being able to live them in some practical, real way. "

Saturn-Neptune is quite a mission to have, and well, I suppose since you have been doing this for 16 years, something must have been worth it.

posted February 07, 2015 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
(and maybe even sleep together sometimes in the future ) I wouldn't hesitate.

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So something must be pretty nice after all.

posted February 07, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

[b]I understand why they got married.

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ah yes, I remember now.

And yes, it is easy to see why they got married.
Well most of all cause he was completely obsessed with her.
But in a good solid taking-care and waiting way.