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magpie
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posted February 09, 2015 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The instant I met this guy three years ago, even though it was online, I felt like I knew him from somewhere. He lives in another country, but I was able to visit him this past summer and our attraction was mutual and instant. We had a wonderful time, but it was like there was this invisible, sad weight between us that I couldn't explain. It was as if something sad or bad had happened between us, but it hadn't. A psychic I visited told me all about the relationship in great, accurate detail and said that she felt that the strange feelings and our instant attraction were past-life related and hard to work out. I'm posting both our composite and synastry charts with some asteroids to see if you all could offer some insight on what's going on here. Thank you so much.

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posted February 09, 2015 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep. Karma's rough. You feel it instantly, and typically from nowhere.

He's got an EROS-PSYCHE conjunction, which would hint at a soulmate relationship.

I like the SUN conjunct DSC in the composite; though VERTEX is 7H, it's out of orb. SUN quincunx MOON is a pretty clear indicator of 'karma mates', as they say, besides.

I can't tell; is your KARMA square his NODES?

Your ASC falling on his EROS/PSYCHE explains the instantaneous soul attraction.

Not that many NODAL links in synastry, though, curiously enough.

I suggest investigating a theme to better understand why you're being brought together; what karma you have to resolve.

Is his VENUS within orb of your SNODE? If so, man ... that's a complicated link. Not so much if someone is emotionally mature, and ready for a real relationship -- but if they aren't, it can really hurt.

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posted February 09, 2015 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your analysis - here's a picture of the aspects chart for the synastry:

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posted February 10, 2015 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's no doubt this is a very karmic, past life, soulmate relationship, to me. Composite Karma is on the Galactic Center at 27° Sag, and, if not mistaken, conjunct your North Node and square your opposed Karma asteroids. Furthermore, on the other side lies your South Node, with a Venus / Mars conjunction not far. This would look very nice from a non-karmic point of view, but it just so happens those are your 12th house (karma) rulers.

Now, concerning what would actually be the karma, here's a start. His Adonis squares your Nodal axis, while your Aphrodite conjuncts his North Node. In the composite, Karma is (widely) trine Adonis, and there's a tight stellium at 17°-18° Scorpio involving Pluto (karmic), the IC/MC axis (karmic too) and... Aphrodite. That stellium exactly squares the Vertex axis and sextiles the North Node. The composite Adonis / Aphrodite midpoint falls at approximately 20° Libra, which is the cusp of his 12th house. Also, his 12th house ruler, Venus, is exactly conjunct your Juno. His Juno squares his Nodal axis, indicating it is already a part of his karma. It also squares your MC, exact, and your Saturn (karma, again), at a 3° orb. Your Vertex is square, inter alia, his Saturn showing the karma again, and more importantly his Jupiter at a 2° orb. And, guess what ... ? Composite Jupiter / Juno midpoint falls at 25° Leo approximately, on his MC. I'll end this with Eros and Psyche. First, he has the conjunction natally, that Auby pointed out, indicating a soulmate relationship. Your ASC falls right there, and therefore on his Eros / Psyche midpoint, too. Your Eros / Psyche midpoint falls roughly on his Sun, which, in my opinion, results in a DW almost, a similar type of energy -- one of 'me' (i.e. Sun or ASC) associated with Eros / Psyche. Furthermore, his Eros / Psyche conjunction is square the 25° Leo of composite Jupiter / Juno, and his IC/MC axis. And I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you, by now, that the composite Eros / Psyche midpoint falls on 17°-18° Cancer approximately, making a conjunction with composite South Node, trining the tight Scorpio stellium, opposing the Moon, and who knows what more in the natals.

I think you get my point. The karma here is only one of soulmates, complementary yin/yang energy. All the pairings here are soulmate couples from mythology : Adonis and Aphrodite, Jupiter and Juno, Eros and Psyche. Not to mention what we spotted first -- Venus and Mars. I am not 'qualified' enough to tell you exactly what kind of relationship this is karmic-wise, but this is definitely an incredibly strong one. SO, in conclusion, I suggest you analyse these first, to try and figure out other things. Make Persona charts, look at the synastries, the composites between them, see if anything hits important points. Check the Draconic charts. Eventually you'll get more clues about what this relationship really is about, and put the pieces together.

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posted February 10, 2015 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, thank you for the in-depth analysis. It certainly explains a whole lot.

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posted February 10, 2015 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by magpie:
Wow, thank you for the in-depth analysis. It certainly explains a whole lot.

You're welcome !

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posted February 10, 2015 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a hypothesis for now, but do you think Mercury would be involved in the karma too ? Do you feel there are (or have been) communication issues that you need to solve as you evolve ?

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posted February 10, 2015 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's really not giving me much, seeing as I'm not sure what orbs it's using. Clearly, I know it isn't tight, but in karmic work, sometimes we use wider orbs.

What are the degrees of your SNODE and his VENUS?

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posted February 10, 2015 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tread carefully, magpie. Don't put your heart on the line without good reason.

'Soulmate' hardly equals 'happily ever after' and you've got the odds FAR from your favour. You'll have to fight -- hard -- and you can't get there alone, nor should you expect to even try.

I'm theorising something on the NODES and skipped steps, now that I've acquired further information. Will be putting together a new thread on it soon.

In the meantime, the EROS/PSYCHE midpoint isn't all it's cracked up to be sometimes. I'm investigating why that is now. Rather, why sometimes, despite karma and Soulmates and all that good jazz, it just never happens.

And it's really best to not wait your lifetime or waste years waiting for it. Really. Be hopeful, but practical. You'll be glad you didn't dive in head long into an endless pit.

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posted February 10, 2015 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry, I know that soulmates doesn't mean happily ever after - and that often it means the feelings I've got right now of heavy karma and stress. Thanks for your concern though.

My Venus: 1' Libra 49"
My N. Node: 27' Sag 43"
His Venus: 21' Gemini 01"
His N. Node: 7' Aquarius 19"

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posted February 10, 2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For reference

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Originally posted by Peluches :

composite Karma conjunct your North Node : exact, 0.37° orb
composite Karma square his Karma : that would be 1° orb
composite Karma square your Karma : that would be exact
on the other side lies your South Node, with a Venus / Mars conjunction not far : Venus / SN is 6.42° and Mars / SN and Venus / Mars would both be 3°
his Adonis squares your Nodal axis : exact
your Aphrodite conjuncts his North Node :
composite Karma is (widely) trine Adonis : 4.55°
that stellium (at 17°-18° Scorpio) exactly squares the Vertex axis : 0.05°, 0.11° and 0.40° respectively for all three points involved in the stellium (Pluto, MC, Aphrodite)
that stellium (at 17°-18° Scorpio) exactly sextiles the North Node : 0.13°, 0.29° and 0.58° respectively for Pluto, MC, Aphrodite
the composite Adonis / Aphrodite midpoint falls at approximately 20° Libra : 20.20° actually
which is the cusp of his 12th house : 1 or 2° orb conjunction
his Venus is exactly conjunct your Juno : looks very exact !
his Juno squares his Nodal axis : about 2°

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posted February 10, 2015 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone want me to throw in some asteroids/remove any for another chart? Or share our draconic charts?

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posted February 10, 2015 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by magpie:
Does anyone want me to throw in some asteroids/remove any for another chart? Or share our draconic charts?

Yes please ! I'd be interested in these :

447,1221,6583,1585,42,1923,390,2213,306,3811

Thanks

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posted February 10, 2015 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by magpie:
Don't worry, I know that soulmates doesn't mean happily ever after - and that often it means the feelings I've got right now of heavy karma and stress. Thanks for your concern though.

My Venus: 1' Libra 49"
My N. Node: 27' Sag 43"
His Venus: 21' Gemini 01"
His N. Node: 7' Aquarius 19"


I'm going to be real with you.

I'm in a relationship right now with some of the hardest karma with which I've EVER dealt. It's violent, angry, tragic, and capable of 'igniting' at a moment's notice, and driving a horrible wedge between us. And we're much older than you two are. He's one of the most emotionally mature men I've ever met. He never plays games. He's honest, upfront, and makes me feel truly and genuinely loved.

Anything less, and we would NOT be able to handle this. Dangerous, difficult, and tragic karma must be cleared TOGETHER. Nothing less, or it's an uphill battle that a single person just can't win. Be realistic.

You can have the most amazing synastry and composite on the planet and get nowhere. Conversely, you can have the worst synastry and composite and STILL make it through because you're working together.

You're in separate countries. You hardly ever see each other. There's a wedge already between you, and it's something neither of you understand.

These are warning signs.

Should you find that more and more opportunities appear, as if by magic, for the two of you to see each other, and if he starts showing a genuine desire for a real relationship, THEN you start worrying about how to clear karma in an ACTIVE relationship.

Until that point, you're spinning your wheels.

But, if you wish to continue doing that, I'd suggest you do look at your Draconics, so as to better understand which contracts are fulfilled and which outstanding.

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posted February 10, 2015 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's synastry:

Synastry aspects:

Composite:

Would you like the Draconic charts with these asteroids too?

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posted February 10, 2015 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm going to be real with you.

I'm in a relationship right now with some of the hardest karma with which I've EVER dealt. It's violent, angry, tragic, and capable of 'igniting' at a moment's notice, and driving a horrible wedge between us. And we're much older than you two are. He's one of the most emotionally mature men I've ever met. He never plays games. He's honest, upfront, and makes me feel truly and genuinely loved.

Anything less, and we would NOT be able to handle this. Dangerous, difficult, and tragic karma must be cleared TOGETHER. Nothing less, or it's an uphill battle that a single person just can't win. Be realistic.

You can have the most amazing synastry and composite on the planet and get nowhere. Conversely, you can have the worst synastry and composite and STILL make it through because you're working together.

You're in separate countries. You hardly ever see each other. There's a wedge already between you, and it's something neither of you understand.

These are warning signs.

Should you find that more and more opportunities appear, as if by magic, for the two of you to see each other, and if he starts showing a genuine desire for a real relationship, THEN you start worrying about how to clear karma in an ACTIVE relationship.

Until that point, you're spinning your wheels.

But, if you wish to continue doing that, I'd suggest you do look at your Draconics, so as to better understand which contracts are fulfilled and which outstanding.


I'm really not trying for anything with him right now. I know how difficult being in different countries makes things because I've experienced it in another relationship. I just want to try to understand why what he and I have/had feels the way it does and where it's coming from. I could post the Draconic charts for each of us if you'd like.

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posted February 10, 2015 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I get it.

He's got an EROS/PSYCHE, and, it looks as if your ISIS and OSIRIS are also conjunct. Or near to conjunct?

This is undoubtedly a soulmate relationship. It'll either resolve, or it won't.

My best advice is to be patient and live your life in the meantime without restrictions or a sense of being beholden to it. To just be.

If it comes back around, or deepens, then it might be time to consider it more seriously.

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posted February 10, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In terms of understanding karma, that's no easy feat. It's best to not attempt to undertake it without practical purpose and a LOT of time to dedicate to it. You'll be engaging in difficult self-work, meditation, introspection, and dream-work along with the massive amounts of astrological investigation you'll be doing.

In my own experience, I didn't really get started studying and exploring my own until late 2011, and began a much more intensive investigation the summer of 2013. From that May or so until November-December 2014, I was working nearly every day on it. So, over a year. Daily.

I can certainly shorten the time it will take you, by providing you with avenues of study and techniques that weren't readily available to me until later. But no one can rush the theme. That's something that easily connects to you because it was always there underneath.

For me, I was 19 when I was first confronted with a very real likelihood that I had some serious outstanding karma to resolve with another person. I wouldn't even meet him, however, until I was nearing 30.

So you start with your natal, first of all. If you have an intense, outstanding karma, it will be there in your natal. The other's chart will then hook into it in astonishing ways. I then like to explore the Draco natal-to-natal, then synastry, and begin adding asteroids which might have relevance.

How you can hypothesise stems from the intense self work you're doing: daily meditation, dream work, introspection, and actively making your unconscious ready and available to the Universe so that your higher mind will begin providing these answers to your soul.

Then, the theme is emergent and unfolds before you. And you may very likely find that it ties into things from your childhood and adolescence. Recurring dreams, nightmares, phobias. Strange markings on your body from birth. Places you've seen in dreams and visions. Locations which inexplicably feel familiar to you. Along with many experiences of deja-vu.

Once THAT starts happening, you're well on your way to begin exploring WHAT the karma is. At some point later, after more work, dreaming, meditating, soul searching, you can begin to understand it. Rudimentary knowledge. The nuances will continue to unfold over years.

I'd say I'm in my ninth year of studying one major karma, and the fifteenth of another; the one which I began to investigate astrologically in 2013.

It takes a very long time, and you won't know you're ready until it becomes undeniably clear that you are.

I highly suggest preparing to undergo therapy, too. You may have periods of panic, anxiety, and depression which hit without warning and make you feel absolutely crazy.

There's a reason we don't recall this stuff until we're READY to. Don't force it. Listen to yourself. Learn how to open your eyes and ears to the voice of your soul and the energies that guide you. It's a process, so don't be alarmed.

You'll be starting a journey that may take you through a lot of your life.

So ... buckle up?

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posted February 10, 2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BRW, a midpoint can't conjunct a NODE. It can occupy the same space, but a physical body must occupy that space in order to release the energy.

So when Peluches pointed out the cEROS/PSYCHE being 'conjunct' the cSNODE, really, it gives the cSNODE an EROS/PSYCHE energy.

If there's anything at 17° CAN, however, in the natals, that could activate the composite point. Only physical bodies, however, and within a very tight orb.

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posted February 10, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And isn't she the EROS/PSYCHE=SUN?

Though, it looks like his SUN might fall in the mid-late degrees of CAN I was describing above.

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posted February 11, 2015 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all your information, Abuyanne! I've been working on meditating and studying astrology more. Hopefully that and the passage of time will help me to understand all of this better. I'll post the draconic charts for each of us as soon as I can - at school right now.

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