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GypseeWind
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posted February 12, 2015 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just had a look at my composite with my husband. We're living apart now, but we have been together for 28 yrs, married for 24.

Some of the aspects I've noticed are supposed to be bad for long term.

We have:
Sun squaring: Saturn, uranus, pluto and chiron
Moon square Neptune
Venus square Mars
and also the planets are scattered about.

His sun makes no aspects to my moon.

As I get deeper into studying this it seems as if in my life synastry shows so much more of a true reflection of things than composite.
My composites are rarely good.
Does anyone else notice the same thing in their own?

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Ceridwen
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posted February 12, 2015 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I think people interprete the composite wrong anyway.
After all it is not a natal chart in fact it is made of midpoints, and we use the hard aspects for midpoints anyway.
So what makes sense to me in terms of composite is:
a) aspect configurations
b) hard aspects (conjunction, square, opposition)
c) conjunctions/Oppositions of composite planets to natal ones.

Hard aspects are not neccessarily bad signs either, it depends WHAT planets are being connected, and frankly I have seen more long lasting marriages and relationships WITH Saturn squraes, conjunctions, oppositions to the personal planets or angles than WITHOUT.


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posted February 12, 2015 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri, but what do you think about Mars Sq Saturn?

I have that in my new rship, and what I read about it is that it's awful, yet another site says this shows up in 80% of married couples.
I guess they're all happily miserable? Haha.

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posted February 12, 2015 04:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it depends on a lot of things actually. First of it is of course no light-weight-aspect. It is one of those very decisive ones, which can go either way.

My parents do have the DW of Mars-Saturn-conjunction and in composite their Mars-Saturn-conjunction falls onto the SN. My Mum`s Saturn is also conjunct my Dadīs SN.
For THEM it was certainly a "builder" aspect. And conversely to what is being said, they are very affectionate with each other (let`s not forget both planets have relation to the physical sphere).


But first of there are other aspects as well, and secondly they could be termed Saturnian.
With my Dad?s chartruler being in Capricorn, and Saturn actually exactly on his ASC.
My Mom has Capricorn on her DESC and Moon on her Venus/Saturn-mp.

In their case it seems to be a good "fit" rather than an antagonistic energy.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted February 12, 2015 04:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Personally I think people interprete the composite wrong anyway.
After all it is not a natal chart in fact it is made of midpoints, and we use the hard aspects for midpoints anyway.
So what makes sense to me in terms of composite is:
a) aspect configurations
b) hard aspects (conjunction, square, opposition)
c) conjunctions/Oppositions of composite planets to natal ones.

Hard aspects are not neccessarily bad signs either, it depends WHAT planets are being connected, and frankly I have seen more long lasting marriages and relationships WITH Saturn squraes, conjunctions, oppositions to the personal planets or angles than WITHOUT.


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posted February 12, 2015 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I see. I will have a look to see what's going on deeper with that square. It's encouraging that your parents have worked well with it Ceri. We also have Sat sq Moon (in new rship).

I think one of the things that bugs me about composites is how they say the splattered (not sure of the technical term) ones are "bad" bc that seems unfair. If you have a splattery natal and so does the other person, how could the composite loom any other way? Do you see what I'm saying....

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posted February 12, 2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just rediscovered a book I have..."Planets in Composite" by Robert Hand

I'll look up your aspects....just sec

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posted February 12, 2015 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I've just had a look at my composite with my husband. We're living apart now, but we have been together for 28 yrs, married for 24.

Some of the aspects I've noticed are supposed to be bad for long term.

We have:
Sun squaring: Saturn, uranus, pluto and chiron
Moon square Neptune
Venus square Mars
and also the planets are scattered about.

His sun makes no aspects to my moon.

As I get deeper into studying this it seems as if in my life synastry shows so much more of a true reflection of things than composite.
My composites are rarely good.
Does anyone else notice the same thing in their own?


Thanks Ceri, but what do you think about Mars Sq Saturn?


Abbreviated....

Sun sq. Saturn-
problematic because it indicates your lives are presently at cross purposes to each other. May indicate you get in each other's way and then are not flexible enough to let each other do what you each need to do individually. Ones likely to become a repressive influence on the other, criticizing and condemning. Hard time accepting each other as you are.

Sun sq. Uranus-
the relationship will be a source of many surprises, some of which will be quite difficult. Problem with instability making both feel restless, impatient and behave in ways that fly in the face of tradition. In this relationship you cannot be possessive you must give each other maximum freedom. If this results in one drifting away to someone else, that's how it must be.

Sun sq. Pluto-
the relationship will have profound effects but they will not be easy. Power struggles. One has a desire to transform the other into something that they are not. Even if the change is called for the style in which it is done will provoke the other partners opposition. Serious conflict of life directions. Avoid all ego games.

Moon sq. Neptune-
creates danger that one or both will deceive yourselves or each other, either about the nature of the relationship or about outside matters that affect it.
Potentially situation like, one can come to "help" the other with a difficult psychological problem such as alcohol or drugs. But the so called helper is often motivated by the desire to escape from some personal problem by relating to someone whose problems appear to be worse. Savior/Victim relationship can be quite unhealthy because the real issues are never faced.

Venus sq. Mars-
good n bad
Good for sex and attraction.
Issue is sex can become a device for one person to dominate the other. Hard to find balance between your individual egos and your desire to relate to each other. Competitiveness can interfere with cooperation.

Mars sq. Saturn-
you are working for cross purposes. At it's worst you get in each other's way to the point you cannot get along at all.
At best there will be friction because one of you is always in a different state of mind from the other.
Sexually this aspect creates differences in timing, always be in different moods.

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posted February 12, 2015 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. That's very interesting Gabby. Thank you for posting these. Do you recommend that book?


My marriage ended bc my husband was a cheater and couldn't keep a job. I wonder if that falls under the effects of saturn, uranus or pluto. Maybe a combo of all of them?

Also I find composites of people born close together hard to read. And we were born 22 days apart.

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posted February 12, 2015 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Hmmm. That's very interesting Gabby. Thank you for posting these. Do you recommend that book?


My marriage ended bc my husband was a cheater and couldn't keep a job. I wonder if that falls under the effects of saturn, uranus or pluto. Maybe a combo of all of them?

Also I find composites of people born close together hard to read. And we were born 22 days apart.


I would say the lack of holding a job would Saturn/Sun square. There's no self identity/ego that's being built by being responsible...saturn only feels stifling to the ego, no positive reinforcement between the 2 planets.

Cheating I would think would fall under the Sun/Uranus. Any type of traditional marriage roles/rules would feel like it's stifling to the ego, the relationship would feel to controlling and constrictive to one partner. What does a marriage restrict? Being with other ppl! A relationship becomes real when your exclusive, monogamous right? In order to rebel from the relationship you go against it's foundation, the thing that makes it real, what it's about just happens to be the same thing that creates restriction that Uranus wants to break free from.

The only way to fix it would be to allow the marriage complete freedom....but then how can you really call it a marriage, there is not bonding tie of loyalty, faithfulness and respect for the bond you share?
I'm not sure how you could get around that aspect and maintain a deep intimate bond, it's the ego of the relationship thats being pummeled...causing a rebellion against the foundation of the relationship. But without that foundation there is no relationship....how do you bridge that gap? It seems like such a lose/lose scenario.

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posted February 13, 2015 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, and it took me waaay too long to figure it out.

My new guy and I have uranus/sun aspects too.
His sun sextile my uranus and his uranus trines my venus. His uranus squares my merc.

I don't seem to be able to avoid pluto, uranus and saturn stuff. But those 3 planets square my sun and venus in natal, so that could be why.

I guess the main reason I made this post was to show that relationships CAN last long with this hard aspects. If both people want it to.

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posted February 13, 2015 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn, I got Sun square Uranus with my boyfriend in composite too, but he also have it in his natal...

This is the aspect I fear the most when I look at any composites... it just really seem to be a bad aspect
It will be a big challenge no matter what!

I am not a fan of sun square pluto either. Whenever pluto is very involved the relationship is always gonna be about powerstruggles at some point. One trying to dominate the other, and no one likes this in long therm... it's also like a minor problem that could have been solved if both people where being rational, is going to make both people want their vengeance and revenge, and not able to move on from certain things. They get destructive and eventually the relationship will blow up because both parts are unable to see through their possessiveness and jealousy...

The relationship "has to be destroyed" with sun square pluto in the composite, just like a relationship with sun square uranus "has to rebel against itself".
So the combination of these two aspect is not good I would believe...

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