posted February 15, 2015 07:39 PM            

There's a 14 year age difference. She was around 26 when they met so she's probably grown up in this relationship. She's polyamorous and is in a serious relationship with someone outside the marriage. He's not in another relationship.

His nodes are on her Venus-Pluto opposition. Her nodes aren't aspected by anything in his chart. But, her NN is conjunct the composite Sun.

He has Uranus and Pluto in the 7H in his natal. She has Uranus and Pluto in Libra.

The synastry contains a a Venus-Saturn square DW, which I know shows up a lot in marriages and they have been married for nine years. But there's also a Sun square Saturn, and Mars-Mars and Saturn-Pluto squares. The composite contains a Grand Square involving Saturn, Mars, Pluto-Uranus, and Venus squares with two oppositions of Mars-Venus and Saturn-Pluto.

There's a lot more going on here than Saturn hard aspects and Venus-Mars that a cursory reading doesn't explain.

What do you see?

posted February 15, 2015 10:55 PM            

Composite square aspects are not a bad thing - in fact, they bring growth and vitality to a relationship. The NEPTUNE right there on the cNN, and that 11H stellium in Pisces, this has been a very important relationship for them both, and it likely affects the people around them as well. They can work together effectively to gently pry people's mind and alter their horizons. MOON-CHIRON guarantees it isn't without its hard and stinging times, though - SATURN there implies most often from older and more conservative folks.

They appear to have a relationship founded on intellectual ideals, and is stabilized in 9H Cap. The planets involved in the cross have accidental dignity by house placement, too. (VENUS/2H, MARS/8H, PLUTO/5H, SATURN/11H) They're interesting, as they have good potential together as a unit. It isn't a dramatically emotional pairing, but it works for them. Their main issues involve sexual fears, and they should remain mindful of each other.

Synastrically, I think he feels it more potently. Both natally have a planet in aspect to their own VX, so they're "comfortable in their own skin", so to speak, about the planet involved. But she has a (wide) aspect to his AVX, and that is always a huge, shining beacon that the AVX native is knocked over by. He aspects her VX, but that's more mild in comparison.

They have a lot of compatible energies. Fire SUN, air MOON - air SUN, fire MOON, and both have airy MARS. Her fiery, Martian-charged VENUS makes her prone to wanderlust, while his Virgo VENUS-PLUTO is far more conservative on the subject. She has a magic touch, though. She's got JUPITER-MOON and VENUS-SUN forming a yod pointing right there to his 7H VENUS-VX. She knows just how to compromise.

I think he is most vexed by his inability to intuit her moods. Her MOON is hiding away in his 12H, and square his MERCURY. In suspicious Scorp and conjunct NEPTUNE, he probably devises all kinds of scenarios in his head about what's going on in her lil head. In good news, her Pisces MERCURY trines his, so they communicate well. She also strikes me as the assertive one - was she the pursuer?

He's got URANUS-POF on his DC, too. He's a-okay with unusual or quirky relationships, albeit a bit of a glutton for punishment (1H CHIRON).

posted February 17, 2015 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
What an impressive diamond in the composite. It includes both AC/DC rulers and the SUN, too.

Composite square aspects are not a bad thing - in fact, they bring growth and vitality to a relationship. The NEPTUNE right there on the cNN, and that 11H stellium in Pisces, this has been a very important relationship for them both, and it likely affects the people around them as well. They can work together effectively to gently pry people's mind and alter their horizons. MOON-CHIRON guarantees it isn't without its hard and stinging times, though - SATURN there implies most often from older and more conservative folks.

They appear to have a relationship founded on intellectual ideals, and is stabilized in 9H Cap. The planets involved in the cross have accidental dignity by house placement, too. (VENUS/2H, MARS/8H, PLUTO/5H, SATURN/11H) They're interesting, as they have good potential together as a unit. It isn't a dramatically emotional pairing, but it works for them. Their main issues involve sexual fears, and they should remain mindful of each other.

Synastrically, I think he feels it more potently. Both natally have a planet in aspect to their own VX, so they're "comfortable in their own skin", so to speak, about the planet involved. But she has a (wide) aspect to his AVX, and that is always a huge, shining beacon that the AVX native is knocked over by. He aspects her VX, but that's more mild in comparison.

They have a lot of compatible energies. Fire SUN, air MOON - air SUN, fire MOON, and both have airy MARS. Her fiery, Martian-charged VENUS makes her prone to wanderlust, while his Virgo VENUS-PLUTO is far more conservative on the subject. She has a magic touch, though. She's got JUPITER-MOON and VENUS-SUN forming a yod pointing right there to his 7H VENUS-VX. She knows just how to compromise.

I think he is most vexed by his inability to intuit her moods. Her MOON is hiding away in his 12H, and square his MERCURY. In suspicious Scorp and conjunct NEPTUNE, he probably devises all kinds of scenarios in his head about what's going on in her lil head. In good news, her Pisces MERCURY trines his, so they communicate well. She also strikes me as the assertive one - was she the pursuer?

He's got URANUS-POF on his DC, too. He's a-okay with unusual or quirky relationships, albeit a bit of a glutton for punishment (1H CHIRON).

I've got work, so gotta dash. Let me muse on it some more, and see what else the synastry has to say.

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Blind writer, I apologize for forgetting to inform you that the woman's TOB is unknown, so the Moon may not be in orb to be included in the Grand Square. Nevertheless, overall, I feel your analysis is accurate.

I don't know whether she was the pursuer or not. I only know that in the beginning, he wasn't that interested because of her age and immaturity. He and his wife were formerly in a spiritual community. He was one of the teachers there. He's also a motivational speaker and is trained as a psychotherapist and marriage and family counselor. She works in the field of psychology, although in what capacity I do not know. The people in the community pride themselves on being superior to others who are not inside, yet, they are representative of the wider culture's disapproval of this couple's polyamory.

He's not the jealous type and is fine with the arrangement, although he'd like to also have a partner and sees that as a more balanced situation. The only drawback for him are the feelings of insecurity that come up.

I'm very grateful that you took the time to look at these charts. I'm more at ease about my friend's marriage now. Thank you for your excellent work!

I'd like to ask about this comment:

"she has a (wide) aspect to his AVX, and that is always a huge, shining beacon that the AVX native is knocked over by."

Will you elaborate on this? What does this mean?

Also, there's a second yod in which his Neptune and Venus-Pluto are the base and her Sun-Venus is the focal point. So, both his and her Venus are focal points in two yods. What would you say is the significance of that?

posted February 17, 2015 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
The people in the community pride themselves on being superior to others who are not inside, yet, they are representative of the wider culture's disapproval of this couple's polyamory.

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posted February 17, 2015 03:22 AM            

Having SATURN as a skipped step is difficult (he is resolving outstanding karma), but he's lucky to have it in Cap, and in a friendly house (11). He's got his NN in the 8H, which speaks of sexuality, intensity, sharing, change, impulse control, and the demons of our psyche. SATURN also represents our ultimate fears. He is able to face those fears by integrating himself into a group (11H) and by attaining a leadership position (teacher). SATURN rules his 12H, which is the unknown, so he's afraid of what lies beyond the horizon he cannot see. Facing new things may be quite daunting for him.

He's rather lucky in general though. It looks like he has SUN on SPICA, his chart ruler conjunct his POF, and JUPITER smack on his MC. With KARMA-VESTA, he has worked hard to get where he's at.

His PLUTO and MERCURY are in mutual reception, so he's got a tug-of-war between his sense of servitude and his drive to selfishly possess. MERCURY-NEPTUNE = intellectual idealism. His balancing act is something to serve as an example for her - which is how I see the yod pointing at her SUN-VENUS. I would not have given it much attention to begin with, had he not had personal planets in aspect. The NEPTUNE-PLUTO sextile is generational, so she has it natally as well.

In any case, it's less powerful than hers pointing at his VENUS. She's got the powerful and charming JUPITER and VENUS pair backing her up, and in the aggressive sign of Aries and persuasive Aqua. She can charm his pants off, given the volition.

Don't fret too much about the MOON. Its position wouldn't change much in the composite with a few hours +/- what you plugged in. The only significant change would be house overlays, but I didn't delve into that for her, only him. The VX is very fast, so it probably changed positions both in her natal and in the composite. She very well may have it in a more significant position.

posted February 17, 2015 02:24 PM            

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Waaaaaait ...

And they're in Los Angeles now?

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No, they're from L.A, and are planning to move to somewhere in CA. He's good friends with a woman who had her own TV show on polyamory. She and several others want him to either move in with them or move to their town. lol

posted February 17, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Could you clarify the above statement, please?

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What part? About the attitudes of people in this community or about the culture vis-a-vis polyamory? I don't think there is anything to clarify about the latter.

posted February 17, 2015 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
No, they're from L.A, and are planning to move to somewhere in CA. He's good friends with a woman who had her own TV show on polyamory. She and several others want him to either move in with them or move to their town. lol

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posted February 17, 2015 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
What part? About the attitudes of people in this community or about the culture vis-a-vis polyamory? I don't think there is anything to clarify about the latter.

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posted February 17, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Blind writer, after what I'd just read, I couldn't meditate. I had to listen to the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

I must call upon my Mercury-Saturn conjunction and be brief: you truly have a gift. Are you teaching or have you published?

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Nah, she's just been doing it about as long as I have. I can't believe she didn't tell me until, oh, our thirties. Talk about a crazy surprise, that one.

posted February 17, 2015 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I just found it interesting that you mentioned prejudice within the community. Something I've witnessed myself, but in a more 'categorical' fashion. Almost as if everything must fit neat little boxes. The prejudice outside of it is to be expected.

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No, no, what I said was misleading. The people there are as conventional as people outside. That's what I meant to say. I don't know that anyone is even aware of my ex and his wife's lifestyle.

posted February 17, 2015 10:40 PM            

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Nah, she's just been doing it about as long as I have.

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And you're telling me this because?

posted February 17, 2015 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
And you're telling me this because?

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posted February 18, 2015 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You pick up a lot in 20+ years of doing astrology. Especially when you study it as intensely (and intently) as we have.

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But, why did YOU answer the question? I was asking Blind writer.

posted February 18, 2015 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
But, why did YOU answer the question? I was asking Blind writer.

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posted February 18, 2015 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Blind writer, after what I'd just read, I couldn't meditate. I had to listen to the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

I must call upon my Mercury-Saturn conjunction and be brief: you truly have a gift. Are you teaching or have you published?

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Straight for the heart, you know how to lay on the flattery. I think the tEROS-PSYCHE can really bring the charm out of people. I have often been told I'm good at teaching, though I've never really considered it a calling. As for getting published - heck, why not? I just might tackle that. I love writing anyway, and I love astrology, so there really wouldn't be anything to lose.

posted February 18, 2015 03:30 AM            

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BW, you've got to tell me how you've decided that the AVX is a stronger link than the VX -- or how you've separated the two. Really, aren't they taken together, as the axis? When something hits my VX, it's the bolt from the blue. AVX, not so much.

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I didn't qualify the AVX as "stronger", but that it has an inherently different effect in synastry. Both are very sudden, but I find AVX contacts stick around, while VX contacts come and go as they please. In everyday life, the chaos can be distilled and focused through your VX to propel you forward. In relationships, the AVX really shines best.

My understanding of it is because the VX is a personal and internalized point. The AVX is like the DC, in that it require an "other". Something hits the VX, and a little lightbulb goes off in your brain, going "Oh! How interesting!", and something fundamental changes inside of you. It could be something as impersonal as a transit in the sky, or some stranger on the street, a traffic jam, or an unexpected delivery. It can be family or friend, but it affects you in a quick, but fleeting way. Like the universe is handing something out and saying, "here, take it or leave it".

Meanwhile, when someone hits your AVX, it's like a slot being filled, and new cogs you never knew were there start turning. When that AVX person is no longer there, it leaves a large void you cannot ignore. You also often find that this person just lingers around the periphery of your life, for better or for worse.

posted February 18, 2015 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
... She can answer of her own accord whenever she wants to? As to why she doesn't publish, it's just never been a goal. She's always had a talent for it, though. Maybe I'll push her to write one with me.

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I was totally zonked out, hence my delayed response. Sleeping is bested only by homemade noms or a steaming mug of custom coffee, of which I had neither.

posted February 18, 2015 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:

Composite square aspects are not a bad thing - in fact, they bring growth and vitality to a relationship. .

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posted February 18, 2015 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Straight for the heart, you know how to lay on the flattery.

And, might I add, you have excellent taste in classical masters. But now I have a silly mental image of you flailing your arms about like a possessed composer.

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Here's the thing. I like that you hang back and let the work speak for itself. Personalities can sometimes be a bit much.

Thanks for the compliment. Hmmm...I wouldn't mind being a possessed composer at all, only more like Ravel than Beethoven. lol

posted February 19, 2015 04:48 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Here's the thing. I like that you hang back and let the work speak for itself. Personalities can sometimes be a bit much.

Thanks for the compliment. Hmmm...I wouldn't mind being a possessed composer at all, only more like Ravel than Beethoven. lol

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