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LightLifeLove
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posted February 22, 2015 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I apologize if this is the wrong way to approach a reading, and if I am breaking form, please let me know! I have taken an interest in astrology lately, but most of my focus has been on my own natal chart -- and it has served me beautifully in discovering more about my life, what I want, and where I am headed. But, then, I suppose if you're all seeing my chart information...I don't really need to go into detail on this sort of stuff, do I?

Despite all of this recent, life-altering insight...I am struggling with understanding the dynamics of a relationship in which I have found myself, and I'm afraid it might be a matter of me being too close to the situation to view it objectively...or with any sort of clarity. When it comes to this person, I'm having a hard time seeing beyond the intensity of my emotions and I was hoping that someone might be able to help me figure out a bit more of the story, astrologically speaking.

If this post is appropriate and this is the best way to get some outside input on my/our charts, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Please let me know if you need any more information/back story, or different objects (more/less) in the chart, or whatever would help -- to confirm, I am female and the inner chart; the other person is male and the outer. TOB is accurate. The link below the graphics is for the chart without asteroids -- I've included them as I find them fascinating, but am not sure if they clutter up unnecessarily.

Natal

Me


Him


Synastry

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/testnoasteroids_zps776ff754.gif


Composite

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/testcompositenoasteroids_zpscfa89299.gif

Thanks in advance to anyone who is kind enough to dive into this with me! I look forward to some insight...

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posted February 22, 2015 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Graphs, if that helps --

Synastry: http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/d6b2dcd7-821e-4f4f-8f4a-c24b7a6402d6_zps2438d6c7.png

Composite: http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/9434df93-521d-4204-99d7-036848346201_zps82f2fef1.png

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posted February 22, 2015 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case having a bit (HAH!) of information helps draw out some insight, here's a very LONG 'summary' of where I am, to-date, in all of this.

Background

Historically, my professional life has been strained. I did not enter adulthood with career goals -- my only goals have been to have a home and a family, and a job that supported those efforts. In my first 'real' job, I fought an uphill battle against my boss, who initially thought (unfounded) that I was reckless, rebellious, and the opposite of what he wanted in an employee. Eventually, he came to realize the strengths of my abilities and we developed a strong sense of respect for one another and for furthering the business. I often cite it as my best work experience; he then moved on in the company, and I left shortly thereafter. My next job was marked by serious interpersonal dynamic issues between me and my supervisor, and I was dismissed for insubordination. My next job after THAT, same thing -- although this time it wrapped around my health, leaving me without work for almost three years.

I am married, but not to the person noted in the above chart. My only high school romance touched on something deeply sensitive within me, leaving me feeling unworthy, spurned, and desperately alone. I decided that my next relationship would 'prove' something to the world -- my ability to be loved, to have the things I was told that I could not have. I met my husband through a mutual acquaintance when I was seventeen. That very first meeting, I knew I'd be marrying him. I saw many similarities between him and my high school flame, and became very attached to the idea of fulfilling my goals/proving my worth through him. Our relationship did start sweetly, and very well-connected (fast commitment) and there was definitely a sexual connection as well.

My husband is and has always been a workaholic -- I chased him around our relationship, forcing him into buying a home, the marriage itself, our child, our belongings, and he hid away in his career. He has often said he has never felt good enough -- for me, for his family, for anyone. When I lost my job and was pregnant, he retreated further into his work, as the sole breadwinner. I started to realize that all of my attempts to capture his attention were ultimately unsuccessful. He began fighting with depression, and went on a cocktail of drugs/therapy to cope.

A few years after I lost my last job, I decided to try and re-enter the workforce. A contract role came up almost immediately, and I felt drawn to pursue it, even though there were other opportunities that offered permanency. My attitude was that if my permanent jobs could be so fleeting, I should just go for something that felt right -- and I ended up getting the contract. The contract was for a maternity leave coverage, but ended up extending and extending again -- I am now looking at either yet another extension, or possibly a permanent offer. For the first time ever, I feel as though I have career drive and ambition. So much of it just 'clicks'.

Around the time I took the first contract, my husband took a step in his career and opened a business. It did not serve him well; his health (mental/physical) deteriorated, I never saw him (although I barely saw him before), and a few irreparable wounds occurred mentally/emotionally in our relationship. About a year ago this time, I confronted him and told him that our marriage was breaking down, and he agreed to go to counselling. While we initially started in a collaborative atmosphere, even our therapist eventually shifted the focus to my husband (and actually told us my problems would 'have to wait') -- he ended up selling his shares of the business and going on disability, and is now back in the job he had before this step.

Since I lost my last job (which coincided with my pregnancy/birth of my child), my marriage has been void of intimacy -- no sex, no connection. In October/November of 2014, I felt compelled to find out more about myself, the direction I was going. I acknowledged that I had lost myself in my marriage, and that I didn't know who I was or what I wanted when I committed to this path. I started to feel shifts in my personality and in my insight. I feel whole now when I think very clearly about the things I want in my future -- but when I think of them, they are vastly different from my current world (the only thing that remains is my career). Although it is a scary thought, casting off your entire life for something new and unknown, it doesn't feel that scary to me in practice.

I told my husband that I needed space and withdrew almost completely from him at the turn of the new year. While he was initially very clingy, he has admitted to finding some positive aspects of this experience -- he has learned that he needs social interaction, and enjoys talking to strangers. He has decided to take more concrete steps to having work-life balance because he wants to explore his hobbies and interests, and be more supportive of his family (not just me; he mainly cited our child, his parents and his sibling).

I have come to realize that while we are wonderful friends and care for each other, I am not in love with him and very likely never have been, and that this marriage does not fulfill my desires in a partnership. I entered our relationship on the basis of fear, and I projected heavy, unrealistic expectations on him, which I feel contributed to some of his mental health issues. As I see our marriage for what it is, I see that we want very different things -- from our home, to our parenting style, to what is important to us as individuals. The wounds that occurred in the past few years are unforgivable to me, but he does not see them as such a big deal. I feel as though our path is splitting at this point in time.

We had a very important, very honest talk with each other this weekend and I think it is clear that we will not be married for much longer -- a decision that is touched by bittersweet regret because we could have been so much stronger, but one that I feel is the only happy option for the both of us. I was surprised to find this conversation happened with such respect and courtesy, because I've always viewed him as weak or broken and to be honest, I was afraid that if I left him, he would kill himself. Now I don't think this is the case, and I am beginning to feel ready to address my mental landscape in this respect.

Now comes the part that I have not been able to reconcile because of the emotional fog. With all of the above going on, there is a completely different energy at play -- one that I am trying to 'keep away' from my growth as an individual, but one that still seems to seep in regardless of my efforts.

When I started this job, I was immediately drawn to one of my colleagues (who I will call R2) -- I have barely even entertained a romantic or sexual thought about another person since getting together with my husband, but my mind 'took note' of this individual and I had a few fleeting thoughts about him. Then, I found out he was in a relationship, and my thoughts turned to wistful 'if only things were different...', and I carried on. I was able to put him out of my mind almost completely, even though we work in very close proximity and it is a small work environment...for all intents and purposes, it has been as though he hasn't actually been here this whole time.

There have been a few marked instances that I can identify as connections -- one was a long talk as we walked separated from the rest of our colleagues, not about anything overly important, but it was easy and comfortable and I remember thinking how odd it was, because this individual does not really talk to anyone in the office. At two of our rare group social activities, I distinctly remember being in very close proximity to him, and even though the louder personalities around us dominated the environment, I recall in both instances being very aware of him and connected to him despite not really interacting overtly in any great sense.

That brings us to the current; in or around the time I decided to focus on myself (Oct/Nov '14), it is like my eyes and my body and my mind just hyper-focused on R2. When I think about it, it actually feels like a 'snap' into place, fixed and solid.

I started to notice that he watches me a LOT -- walking 'the long way' by my work space and looking in at me when he does so, or anywhere I happen to be within the office. I am very good at watching people in my periphery and I can see his eyes on me...or I can feel him watching me (sometimes I am facing away from my closed door and I feel compelled to glance back, only to see he is in the work space across the hall, and then he looks up at me). When I catch his eye, he doesn't look away, but he doesn't stop what he's doing. He has some intense eye contact...sometimes I think he's mad at me, or that I'm bothering him, and it triggers my insecurities, but then other times the same intensity doesn't feel uncomfortable at all -- just loaded, with a lot going on beneath the surface. The air feels weirdly 'pregnant' when I'm around him, and there have been a few weird situations that lead me to believe that the tension is noticeable from other sensitive people around us.

There are always lots of little excuses to interact; if I head into the copy room, he prints there rather than the printer he would normally use (to walk by my office). Run-ins in the kitchen, things like that. There are instances that are a little too specific (and I'm a paranoid person, so I don't want to put them out there) but they all point to a desire to see one another, lingering together awkwardly just to prolong it, and a need to be in close proximity in social settings (and a marked sense of mutual sadness and disappointment if that isn't possible). I would even go so far as to say that we have been slowly and quietly flirting, getting closer physically and letting our conversation move to something a bit more intuitive -- but every time, it seems like someone jumps into the moment and brings us back to the reality of our circumstances, and our energies scatter. I can actually feel hurt wafting off of him as he walks away.

I honestly cannot get R2 out of my head. I feel so drawn to him, even though all of the circumstances surrounding us are screaming at me to back off (both married, small workplace, no actual concrete verbal indicators that would tell me he's interested), I still feel like there's a connection that is mutual. I realize it seems like a real jerk move, but I am not thinking about my husband in a romantic/sexual sense, and I just want him to be happy -- but I don't feel guilty about my thoughts for R2 at all. On the very, very rare occasion R2 mentions his wife, I don't feel possessive or jealous, but I do feel profoundly sad for a split second -- and I also feel like I will never be able to actively pursue him because of his marriage, although I am apparently more than happy to make my interest and availability known in a veiled, confusing way. I could go more into the thoughts/dynamics of this, but it is such a socially sensitive issue.

When the rest of my life has started getting clearer, there's this terrible but wonderful situation running in the foreground -- wonderful because I feel like he is a beacon in my life, but terrible because of how frustrating and confusing and polarizing my feelings are at this point -- how I wish it were clearer, and that if only the circumstances were different, how easily I would be able to pursue him. I feel such a disconnect from what I 'should' do and what I feel, though, sometimes I will talk to everyone BUT him in a room, or I will avoid eye contact with him at all costs. I guess I'm afraid of what I'll do, that I'll be impulsive and act on my feelings without regard for anything else around me. While I'm normally pretty good about deciding what impulses are appropriate in a situation and acting accordingly, something about him and about all of this does not make me feel secure in my behavior at all -- in fact, I feel like it's all raw, animalistic energy that I am fighting to suppress.

I'm not sure where to even go from here, or what I want out of your comments. I'm not sure if I'm seeking validation, or something to tell me I'm crazy...I guess I just want insight and truth. The logical brain part of me thinks maybe my feelings and my interactions with R2 are just a catalyst to get me to become a better, whole person and serve as a foil to what isn't working in my life -- and then the other deeper part of me picks up on vibes from him that, deep down, feel so real and so authentic, but so completely opposed to what both of us 'should' be doing, and it makes my mind and my heart reel. He has taken all of the logic and clarity from my thought, and I desperately want to trust my intuition, but the stakes are very high...

One of my 'lessons' of late is to trust others, to let others see me, and to believe that the universe has some good to offer me -- that I don't need to be alone, and that there are immeasurable benefits to be gained by connection. I'm sharing this information here, even though part of me is actually freaking out right now, because I feel like after lurking around this forum for a few months...you are all wonderfully intelligent, caring, intuitive people, and that any insight you have will help further me along my life path, pursing truth and honesty in a supportive way. I'm trying to let go of the anxious, insecure part of me fade away -- and so here's my shot in the dark.

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posted February 22, 2015 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally, for reference, my husband's/my charts (graphs are linked below):

Natal

Synastry

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/6b77ce6d-3d0a-4e1c-bc70-629b1cbc17e7_zps76b07fa4.png

Composite

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/3ade2d57-c99d-4056-ba44-de0e19cff790_zps15744977.png

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posted February 22, 2015 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there, L-cube. Welcome to L-squared.

I can say from personal experience that a highly concentrated composite is practically a whirlpool of energy; it sucks us in and holds us tightly in its sway.

Not to mention, 12H cSUN (or, composite SUN in 12H) can feel like a relationship is more of an endurance test than anything. It pushes us to perform at our best by tackling deep-seated issues within us both. 'Fun' it isn't. 'Work' is the keyword there.

You have deep Soulmate connexions with both R2 and your husband, and, while your marriage composite isn't all roses and planets, it's very fated, and actually quite romantic.

The biggest thing you're drawn to with R2 is his MOON on your ASC. I certainly won't mislead you and say there aren't some very compelling aspects here; there are. You already know that.

His SNODE is widely conjunct your SUN, too, which might indicate unresolved karma.

So, here's the major question I feel has to be asked.

What do you plan to do from here? What do you feel you're actually asking? Are you seeking astrological validation -- a synastry so compelling and fated that it will give you the greenlight to engage in an affair? It's a legitimate question.

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posted February 22, 2015 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne, thanks for weighing in. I appreciate it.

To answer your question, but then to also not really answer your question -- I'm not sure what I'm looking for with all of this. Some sort of flash of insight? OH, so THAT'S why I feel that way!...A way to read the unknown person in all this (R2) so I can stop filling in the gaps on my own? A crystal ball, probably, is what I want, but we all know that isn't possible.

I do know that my marriage is dying (or dead) and if I ignore everything else and focus on that, and me, I know where it is headed and that it has run its course. The tone of the conversation I had with my husband about where we stand was really enlightening. I do care for him, and we will always have a connection (through our child, or simply our ability to communicate when we are at our best) -- but it's time for us to go carry ourselves for a while.

So, while that will eventually free me up, it doesn't change the obligations R2 has -- even if he did return my feelings, I don't think I would be able to proceed with an affair...for my own well-being, not to mention anyone else involved. I should also be honest and say I'm romanticizing R2 -- most likely as escapism, or maybe 'to feel something' again after feeling numb and void of emotion for so long. That isn't lost on me -- nor is the fantasy I'm entertaining that he'll be free to pursue/be pursued in the future, or the fact that it is nothing more than a fantasy until it isn't.

I sat on my reply here for a minute, and I guess it boils down to this -- if I'm going to feel the way I feel, and go through all of these changes and emotions, I'd like to get the best education from it as possible. I'd like to know what all of these charts, all of this information, can teach me...so that I can grow out of it. The parts of me that are pushed and pulled in these dynamics, the bits and pieces of me that are touched by the process -- if someone outside of my head can weigh in objectively, I might be able to believe it and be better for it. If that makes any sense.

(I'm a terrible post-editor, but back to add more). All of the emotions came first, and now I'm looking to figure out why. Not for any particular course of action, but for the value of...just understanding, I suppose. That's really very important for me, in all things, especially in a situation like this, that seems so out-of-the-ordinary in my regular course of living.

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posted February 22, 2015 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the record, I'd like to start off by saying it's a pleasure to meet you, LightLifeLove. (Though I still kinda like L Cube.) It's a surprisingly rare gift, true self awareness. There's very little I can say that you haven't already covered. My main question is then, why do you feel your marriage has run its course? What purpose did it serve, if not to last a lifetime? Did you think it would going in? If so, are you not grieving its being so 'downgraded' ? That itself is a process.

And, give yourself the most brownie points for realising your fantasy romance with R2 for what it is -- escapist. Sexual women need to feel desired, and if they don't, their attention will wander and latch onto the next most likely source of joy. Undoubtedly, a highly concentrated composite with a lot of conjunctions in synastry will create that sense of bonding and intensity.

I feel, despite my 'publishing' elsewhere, that it would be dishonest to not be clear about my own principles in this matter. I like to approach a situation with a cool head and entirely unbiased -- it's the Libran way! -- but, alas.

I found myself in a complex situation several years ago. After so much deliberation, I decided to take the uncommon route and strengthen my marriage while also beginning another, now committed, relationship. So I'm not the norm, by any stretch. The relationship I DIDN'T engage in, however, is the one with the highly concentrated / intense synastry -- oddly enough. We both romanticised that one, and it went up in smoke.

Were you absolutely convinced that your marriage is over and you're preparing for the possibility of entering into a new relationship with this man -- that's another story. He's married, so, really, it's game over (far as I'm concerned). This is something over which you neither have control or can exert influence. It's entirely out of your hands.

Is the synastry / composite enough to be creating such a fuss? Absolutely. You're clearly Soulmates, 'popping in' to each other's lifeline. The question IS, indeed, why.

And, yes, astrology is good for understanding that. Debts and purpose and what-not.

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posted February 22, 2015 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's also very saddening to me that your marriage is, by your definition, over. It's only when Chironic relationships hit the bottom and are near-to coming apart and ending entirely that they finally become what they were meant to be.

His CHIRON-EROS conjunct your CHIRON-PSYCHE, with an exact NNODE-VENUS is so truly beautiful.

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posted February 22, 2015 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been greatly enjoying your Karmic Relationship lesson, Aubyanne -- so it is lovely to be interacting with you here, it means a lot to me and I feel lucky to have caught your attention! I'm still way, way in over my head with the lesson you're teaching us all, but I'm limping along and I think it is going to be very important for me, so I'm excited as all get-out!

As for your questions (and thank you for continuing to ask them, because that's I really want, it seems, is for people to ask me questions instead of assuming I have all the answers) -- well, I hope you like big walls of text, because a few are forthcoming.

(also L Cube is fine by me! It's shorter, too, which might be the only thing 'short' about me...)

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posted February 22, 2015 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's only when Chironic relationships hit the bottom and are near-to coming apart and ending entirely that they finally become what they were meant to be.

That really hits the nail on the head. It is only in (what I see as) these twilight hours that I am actually seeing him as he truly is (stronger than I imagined, kind, communicative, accepting, with free and loving energy) and he has said that he finds me more beautiful in the last few months, more vibrant and real, and more like when we first began our relationship. We were able to communicate so clearly, with honesty and respect, about how we are beginning to fall apart...it was bittersweet and almost beautiful, if not a little heartbreaking.

I was able to tell him what I could never forgive, and I was able to apologize for the things I have done. He listened to and accepted all of it. He heard me tell him that our relationship was so broken that I didn't think we could ever piece it together, and of my lack of love -- and he took it all with such grace, never threw it back in my face or wavered in his own emotions. We left the conversation apart, but whole, if that makes any sense. He told me that no matter what, now, he felt we would be OK and happy -- I told him that I felt so much less secure in the stability of our marriage, and he clarified that he meant 'bigger picture', not necessarily with our relationship in its current state. That floored me, it was so unexpected.

I have been hurt by our relationship, not just from what he has done to me in his moments of weakness, but by what I have done to myself and what I have not allowed to grow between us. You ask why I think it is over, what purpose it served if not to last a lifetime, and that is the hardest thing for me to answer because it comes down to my weakness. One that I hid away for over a decade while I let the focus be on his weaknesses, my manipulation of focus, and my desire to stay out of the light of a truly functional, happy marriage. Honestly, it felt like my penance. I felt proud of the sort of twisted asceticism I was experiencing.

My decision to enter into my marriage (which was immediate, all things considered, even before the legal contract) was selfish and calculated. It was designed to prove a point, to close a superficial wound, and to make me feel safe and secure...not a healthy connection, but one that was desperate and in need of validation. On my wedding day, it felt as though it was an arrangement...I kept convincing myself before, during, and after (the entirety of the relationship) that a comfortable and logical marriage with someone who was simple and easy was more important than anything else. We had good elements, and bad ones, and I used them both to hide from the fact that what I really want -- and what I am desperately afraid of -- is a true, deep, soul connection with another person. I never gave it a chance.

My decision to end it -- although not fully realized yet, I admit -- has been both slow and fast. The slow part has been the decline of our relationship, as I retreat further and further inside of myself, and let him grasp more and more at his work/life issues...supporting him but, really, also using his struggles as a way to avoid my own. We started this when we were children, at a time when knowing oneself is difficult, and I feel like we've never had a chance to grow beyond that, until now -- when we're seeing it all in a new light. But until now, it has been stuffing things down and repressing them and focusing on achieving and acquiring the wrong things for the purposes of distracting us from the giant emotional elephant in the room -- that he has always been afraid of me leaving him because he is not good enough, and me never being there in the first place.

My mother recently found her partner, and their relationship has been such a flash of inspiration over the last two years. Even though I know they have their struggles, there is such a palpable connection and it routinely brings me to tears and it has been such a contrast from what I thought I wanted, or what I told myself I wanted, and what I have allowed myself to have...and it has stirred up emotions in me that have been dormant from that first 'sting'. My mother and father had a long-suffering relationship defined not by their lack of passive love for one another, but by their disconnects in other ways...and to see her rise up and find something truly passionate and to see how it has changed her has been another one of those 'snaps' in my life. This is the 'fast' part...the part that tells me that there is something better out there for both me and my husband, if we are willing to go to it.

If I think broad sort of stuff about our relationship, I think of a few things -- one, that it was designed to bring my daughter into this world, and when I see how she impacts those around us, in our families, and in my darker moments when nothing about the marriage was right...she is the small light in the center. Two, I feel like it just simply is not our time -- I don't know if we are to have another time, but that we were destined to support each other and help one another step up in life...but that I have carried him long enough that it is time to let him carry himself, and for me to start carrying myself as well.

I don't feel angry or hateful towards my husband (I have, in the past, but not any more) and I don't feel sad -- although I do still feel guilty as I work through this in my head, and I do feel pangs of regret during our brighter moments these days. If I close my eyes, it feels like wiping away at a chalkboard at the end of a school year, where you can still see the marks and you know they'll be there in the fall -- but for now, there's nothing left to write. And, so, I don't feel as though I need to grieve, on a higher level, because I feel like the lesson is over.


I am curious about your decision to strengthen your marriage and start another one. If you don't mind sharing, do you have more information (or have you posted it before and can link)? Although I really do feel as though this marriage is going back on the shelf, I do like to see what else is in the universal love library. I think it helps with my perspective and to see things from another angle. I love talking to others about their relationships, particularly if they have a great deal of insight, as you do.

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posted February 22, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the question, again, is what do I want? Big picture want, not this particular request for astrological insight...because, let's face it, unless R2 is in the process of his own spiritual crisis that leads him out of his current situation and makes him a free agent...this particular connection serves to teach me a lesson about something, and I do want to know what that something is, but it may not be the same as what I want in the grand scheme of things. I just feel so compelled to know what is being triggered, activated, drawn out here. Why nothing for three years and then SNAP? What is the same and what is different from my marriage? What does this connection have that my marriage does not -- something strong enough to actually break my focus and make me look at another person outside of my marriage, for the first time? What are these things that I can take away so that I can actually know and manifest what I want?

And, then, what I want is love. To be truly seen by another person, to stand in front of them and to see them in return, and to accept all of it and just melt together, reflect one another, and all that other stuff that is hard for me to put into words because it scares me so much. It scares me because, in order for that to happen...I have to see myself first. I have to be able to recognize my own reflection if I'm going to see it playing out with another soul. In light of all that has been happening, I am starting to realize exactly how important that is to me at the deepest level -- that connection and merger -- but it is an immensely steep climb and I feel like I've only just begun. The only light I seem to be able to carry is knowledge -- which carries no negative or positive bias, it just is, and I feel like the pursuit of knowledge will be what helps me get to where I'm going, and to find what I'm searching for in all of this.

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posted February 22, 2015 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L3,

Allow me to jump right to your last post, as I've got to grok the one before it. There's so much there, and it's practically bursting at the seams. Time to let it settle for a bit, and see where things are. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from. I just didn't want you to feel as if I was intentionally ignoring it. It's resonant on many levels, really, and I have to catch my own breath. In the meanwhile, I'll be, perhaps, more honest than I've ever been about my own situation.

Fitting, as I sit here before my laptop in one of my latest acquisitions; a tee called 'Adventure Awaits'. Against the backdrop of Disney's version of Paris a la Beauty and the Beast, Belle is intrigued by the sudden appearance of the Doctor's TARDIS, with, the now iconic sleeve of the Tenth Doctor's sport-jacket peeking out from it, as he extends his hand to her. It's quite possibly the most romantic thing my imagination can conjure. Looking back upon my own work, I can see why, too.

At nineteen, inklings of who would become the most significant men in my life were coming to me, but, as a hardcore debunker, I suppose the only means the Universe could find, which wouldn't be immediately disregarded, was my fiction.

One is clearly a 'Doctor Who' type, (though, embarrassingly, I wouldn't see my first episode of the series until my thirties) a tall fair-skinned gentleman, blonde hair, blue eyes, a mellifluous voice, and, essentially, the most polite and congenial control freak you ever saw.

The other, a brunette with hazel eyes, also tall, and just a bit too good-looking. The blonde is practically a monk -- a celibate loner whose preference is for intellectual rather than physical pursuits. The brunette is a charismatic class clown, whose sex partners are firmly in the double-digits.

How possibly more opposite could these guys be? Needless to say, my quirky heroine -- a bookish, asexual, extremely proper, Sherlockian sort -- can't help but be flattered by the fact that the brunette is persistently seeking a sexual relationship, but equally (or even more?) enthralled by the blonde's utter detachment, while still managing to be the consummate gentleman.

( ... if this sounds like maybe a few things that have become absolutely smash hits in the last decade, ohhhh, I am aware. C'est la vie!)

Over time, the blonde's reticence and ahem inscrutability (which doesn't need to be said a thousand times to get the point across -- and I digress! Wildly!) is obviously perceived as mostly confusing, despite his clear interest in maintaining some form of platonic, though intense, relationship. The brunette, on the other hand, could not be more forthright and clear in his intentions, and she would easily be swept away in his Hollywood handsome looks, fantastic sense of humour, and the way he makes her feel so desirable -- but she refuses to be just another number, or notch on his post -- and refrains from involvement.

That's the gist of the entire romantic subplot in the third novel of the series I wrote, as the story itself has nothing to do with romance, being crime drama.

In my life, however, it went quite differently.

... And I hope I've got time now to tell you the rest before my boyfriend gets here .... If not, later, most definitely. My husband will be getting back from his weekly game (ohhhh, he's a gamer, hardcore) later tonight, and they'll pick up where they've left off playing 'Alien: Isolation' -- both being 'Alien' aficionados -- and I'll be able to sneak away and continue.

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posted February 22, 2015 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My life is taking similar twists and turns...my heart goes out to you...hope you can figure it out. I can't and my heart is desperately broken.

Are you the sag sun or the cap? Nevermind, I think you are the sag.

The third "player" in my love triangle so to speak is a cap sun and venus scorpio with almost the same degrees as yours.
The energy I feel with this man is maddening. So much of it is non verbal too. Lots of eye contact, I catch him staring, and on occasions he has made it clear he's attracted...but he's always done it in a joking type way and has been using alcohol. He drives me crazy!! I would turn my life upside down to be with him.

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posted February 23, 2015 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Emotional maturity or bust, ladies. There's so much to be said for being treated right.

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posted February 23, 2015 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I don't feel I deserve it.

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posted February 23, 2015 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne,

You really have a wonderful way with words, and I look forward to hearing more of your story. Incidentally, my own husband was out at his weekly game night when I read Part I!

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Septembergirl,


My oh my, I know what you're saying. Although my Cap sun hasn't gone so far as to hide behind liquid courage, the rest of your statement rings true.

In my strongest of emotional moments, I, too, think 'I'd give it all up for you'. Then I try to focus on cleaving that thought where it counts:

I'd give it all up...

Therein lies the true nature of my declaration, and the part that I have control over, whereas the "for you" is not a one-sided decision.

I feel I have to ask -- are you planning to turn your life upside down regardless, or is it truly a package desire to turn it upside down for him?

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posted February 23, 2015 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not entirely sure what compelled me to do this, but last night I felt it was a good idea to do up some 'important date' charts to see if they would provide any insight into the energy at play here. I'm not sure if this sort of 'synastry' is even a thing...is it?

Still trying to digest the information contained in the charts, and if it even means anything...but there are definitely elements that are calling out to me in all of the below.

In all of the charts, the person is on the inside...I assumed that made the most sense. Graphs are linked below.

Start of Relationship with Husband (unfortunately, I don't remember the date we first met)

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/Meet-Me_zps8f4521e9.png


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/Meet-Him_zps3b51c27f.png

Date of Marriage

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/Marriage-Me_zps2791b640.png


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/Marriage-Him_zps4f8cdd2b.png

First Meeting with R2

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/FMC-Me_zps85e04111.png


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/FMC-Him_zps22d8b909.png

Now that I have all these charts in one convenient location, time to sit back and stare at them until my eyes bleed.

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posted February 23, 2015 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if I'm here talking to myself, might as well go all in. Some of the things I'm reading, loosely, about the above transit/natal charts are weirding me out...so I think I'll keep going.

Snap Date (the earliest date I can clearly identify said SNAP ['him' is R2]))

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/SMe_zps0892c5b1.png


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/Snap-Him_zps2641b6f6.gif

Determination Date (the first day I said to someone else, out loud, that I felt my marriage was over AND acknowledged my feelings for R2

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/DDay_zpsa4c2d070.png

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posted February 23, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last one, I swear...

The day I painted this to try and understand my feelings for R2 (and had a bunch of really strange unexplained mental things happen at the same time):


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/TenerifeMeGraph_zps9bb73915.png


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/lightlifelove/TenerifeHimGraph_zps6b64217a.png

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posted February 23, 2015 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LightLifeLove:
Last one, I swear...

The day I painted this to try and understand my feelings for R2 (and had a bunch of really strange unexplained mental things happen at the same time):


L3! That's breathtaking! What an artistic talent! What's it called? Do you have prints available? Gorgeous! I love the volatility and the contrast of colour.

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posted February 23, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightLifeLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:

L3! That's breathtaking! What an artistic talent! What's it called? Do you have prints available? Gorgeous! I love the volatility and the contrast of colour.


Thank you so much! It's called "Tenerife" (thanks to the fact that I basically had 'Tenerife Sea' by Ed Sheeran on repeat). No prints available -- in fact, I've never shown it off to anyone.

I haven't painted a thing in over a decade. The last thing I did was a few months before I met my husband. Not sure why I felt compelled to start up now, but I do find it curious.

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posted February 24, 2015 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LightLifeLove:
Aubyanne,

You really have a wonderful way with words, and I look forward to hearing more of your story. Incidentally, my own husband was out at his weekly game night when I read Part I!


Thank you for sharing that perspective. Makes me view things in a different light.

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posted February 24, 2015 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Septembergirl:
Thank you for sharing that perspective. Makes me view things in a different light.

How a loving Soulmate that's ready for us can trump an immature Twin that isn't?

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