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Topic: saturn contacts in synastry
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Rosalind
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posted August 27, 2017 01:18 PM
  
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Another person asked a question about this aspect. They asked how does it feel if it's only one persons Saturn who is making aspects to the other persons personal planets. You commented saying they should be glad it isn't a double whammy. And why is that? Basically you are saying that there is NOTHING positive about this aspect. When we all know that isn't the true. Saying things like men shouldn't be with or should avoid a woman who's Saturn conjuncts his Moon is insane. So that's basically telling women to not date a particular guy if her Saturn conjuncts his Moon. Does that really make sense? What if a man actually likes having a woman around for stability?
I am sorry to say this but this discusion ends here. You have no solid arguments. You are very childish and I am not gonna spend my time with childish things.
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ChildofVenus
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posted August 27, 2017 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I am sorry to say this but this discusion ends here. You have no solid arguments. You are very childish and I am not gonna spend my time with childish things.
Childish because you don't agree with what I have to say. It's ridiculous to say that men should avoid women who's Saturn conjuncts his Moon. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 27, 2017 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Childish because you don't agree with what I have to say. It's ridiculous to say that men should avoid women who's Saturn conjuncts his Moon.
Why should I agree with you? Because you say so? Give me a break. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted August 27, 2017 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Why should I agree with you? Because you say so? Give me a break.
Why should a man avoid a woman just because her Saturn conjuncts his Moon? If that's the case a lot of people wouldn't be together. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 27, 2017 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Why should a man avoid a woman just because her Saturn conjuncts his Moon? If that's the case a lot of people wouldn't be together.
You are trying to convince yourself that with this aspect you will be happy with your friend and that you will be forever and have a lot of babies? Then yes. For you, that can happen. Happy now? Now, end the discussion, please. You are tiring me already. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted August 27, 2017 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You are trying to convince yourself that with this aspect you will be happy with your friend and that you will be forever and have a lot of babies? Then yes. For you, that can happen. Happy now? Now, end the discussion, please. You are tiring me already.
This has nothing to do with me I'm asking you a general question. I know other people who have this aspect and it's not all doom and gloom as you say. So again why should we avoid people who's Saturn conjuncts our personal planets? My aunt and uncle share this aspect. Her Saturn conjuncts his Moon and they have been together for 50 years. Of course i'm sure it's not all peaches and cream. But you make it seem like this aspect is just absolutely horrible. IP: Logged |
Mystic Melody
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posted August 29, 2017 04:38 PM
I feel like I am seeing the aspect dynamic play out in this thread. Rosalind is Saturn behaving in negative aspect to Child of Venus as Venus or Moon. Stern, cold, and unyielding... pointing out the childish/innocent/rose-colored-glasses/positive viewpoint is not based in hard facts or reality etc. This is how it plays out in relationships. In a balanced perspective, this is grow conducive (positive) though decidedly uncomfortable and unpleasant (negative).
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted August 29, 2017 05:08 PM
ChildofVenus,Rosalind has her opinion. I understand that you don't agree and do not like it. But let her have it  It really is ok to disagree on things here. IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted August 29, 2017 05:12 PM
Just to add my opinion on Saturn in synastry. I wouldn't like anybody's Saturn conjunct any of my planets, Especially personal planets. But that's juts me. I can imagine there are people who don't mind it and yes, I'm sure positives can be found in this aspect too.IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted August 29, 2017 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
I feel like I am seeing the aspect dynamic play out in this thread. Rosalind is Saturn behaving in negative aspect to Child of Venus as Venus or Moon. Stern, cold, and unyielding... pointing out the childish/innocent/rose-colored-glasses/positive viewpoint is not based in hard facts or reality etc. This is how it plays out in relationships. In a balanced perspective, this is grow conducive (positive) though decidedly uncomfortable and unpleasant (negative).
Yes, I'd like to think this was just them doing a demonstration IP: Logged |
Yanmorg
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posted August 29, 2017 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
ChildofVenus,Rosalind has her opinion. I understand that you don't agree and do not like it. But let her have it It really is ok to disagree on things here.
This was classic.. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 07, 2017 11:32 PM
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Rosalind
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posted September 08, 2017 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
ChildofVenus,Rosalind has her opinion. I understand that you don't agree and do not like it. But let her have it It really is ok to disagree on things here.
Thank you.
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ChildofVenus
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posted September 08, 2017 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
ChildofVenus,Rosalind has her opinion. I understand that you don't agree and do not like it. But let her have it It really is ok to disagree on things here.
I never said there was anything wrong with her having an opinion. But again to say a person shouldn't date someone who they have Saturn conjunctions with in synastry is ridiculous.
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ChildofVenus
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posted September 08, 2017 03:00 PM
Why would anyone just flat out avoid a person because of Saturn aspects? That is insane.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 13, 2017 06:13 PM
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racole12
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posted September 13, 2017 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
The planet person feels obligated to the saturn person. It is mutual obligation. Both are bonded, Saturn gives the lesson and the planet person receives it. I will give two examples.Ex. 1: Say A is Venus trine B's Saturn. B is supportive, a "safety net" emotionally and sometimes financially and helps A. A feels very safe and taken care of by B, who is consistent. There is a sense of going somewhere together. Growth and stability = potential long term relationship. Ex. 2: Say A is Moon square B's saturn. B wants A to act more mature, so B withdraws, acts coldly and tells A to "grow up" emotionally. B does not acknowledge or really support A emotionally, at least not properly. A however, *needs* B because A feels like they owe B emotional support, (because B makes A's emotions seem inferior and thus something to "work on") yet A cannot reach B who is cold because A is now fearful of emotional rejection. So A stays out of obligation and never really gets what it needs. B remains cold until A learns it's "lesson" (which A is not equipped to even learn btw!) Avoid Ex. 2 at all costs. Ex.1 is obviously mutually beneficial.
I just removed myself from a relationship where I was the Moon in a Saturn squ Moon... and that's exactly what our relationship was... me always complaining about him being cold (he didn't even want to hug me but was fine with the other "stuff") and me staying in out out of duty (my Saturn trine his Moon)... I kept giving him what he wanted (him saying if I did this or that he wouldn't be cold to me) but he never changed. Tr Saturn just conjunct my Sun and I was just done with him being cold to me, and me walking on egg shells 24/7. When I removed myself he acted like the victim, trying to gain power by saying he's the one that "needs space" and throwing in my face every trigger he knew that was going to hurt me... (his Pluto was also opp my Moon)... Never again will I be in a relationship with someone's Pluto or Saturn in hard aspect to my Moon... I'm going through a serious medical issue (about to have brain surgery) and he would go from one extreme to the other (saying he didn't want to know about my medical stuff to getting mad when I didn't tell him about my medical stuff... to him saying he's going to be with me when I'm in the hospital for the surgery)... him trying to control my emotions and punishing me when I didn't display my emotions exactly the way he wanted... His Saturn is squ my Moon, sextile my Sun...
My Saturn is trine his Moon, Sun, and ASC...
HIs Pluto opp my Moon
(a lot of Venus stuff though)... We started as causal friends and when I got sick he started going from one extreme to the other (wanting to be the only one there for me to not wanting to be there for me... he couldn't make up his mind (when I never asked for him to be there for me)... so, when he would say he wanted to be there for me and I would allow it he would get mad. If he said he didn't want to be there for me and I backed off he would get mad... if I would go to the ER or a doctor's app without him he would get mad BUT hold it against me/resent me if he went... sooo... He would say every once in a while that our relationship would never be what I wanted, and I would say, "ok, I'm fine with that" and back off... he would be up set. It was a mess...
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ChildofVenus
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posted September 13, 2017 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by racole12:
I just removed myself from a relationship where I was the Moon in a Saturn squ Moon... and that's exactly what our relationship was... me always complaining about him being cold (he didn't even want to hug me but was fine with the other "stuff") and me staying in out out of duty (my Saturn trine his Moon)... I kept giving him what he wanted (him saying if I did this or that he wouldn't be cold to me) but he never changed. Tr Saturn just conjunct my Sun and I was just done with him being cold to me, and me walking on egg shells 24/7. When I removed myself he acted like the victim, trying to gain power by saying he's the one that "needs space" and throwing in my face every trigger he knew that was going to hurt me... (his Pluto was also opp my Moon)... Never again will I be in a relationship with someone's Pluto or Saturn in hard aspect to my Moon... I'm going through a serious medical issue (about to have brain surgery) and he would go from one extreme to the other (saying he didn't want to know about my medical stuff to getting mad when I didn't tell him about my medical stuff... to him saying he's going to be with me when I'm in the hospital for the surgery)... him trying to control my emotions and punishing me when I didn't display my emotions exactly the way he wanted... His Saturn is squ my Moon, sextile my Sun...
My Saturn is trine his Moon, Sun, and ASC...
HIs Pluto opp my Moon
(a lot of Venus stuff though)... We started as causal friends and when I got sick he started going from one extreme to the other (wanting to be the only one there for me to not wanting to be there for me... he couldn't make up his mind (when I never asked for him to be there for me)... so, when he would say he wanted to be there for me and I would allow it he would get mad. If he said he didn't want to be there for me and I backed off he would get mad... if I would go to the ER or a doctor's app without him he would get mad BUT hold it against me/resent me if he went... sooo... He would say every once in a while that our relationship would never be what I wanted, and I would say, "ok, I'm fine with that" and back off... he would be up set. It was a mess...
I'm sorry you went through this it's really not right at all. I know the square is difficult.
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racole12
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posted September 13, 2017 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm sorry you went through this it's really not right at all. I know the square is difficult.
Thanks, it was difficult... especially when me being extremely sick (and in pain) and I was able to still be nice to him but he always found a reason to be cold/put me down... IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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posted September 14, 2017 11:31 PM
I guess it is how you look at Saturn. If you like structure I guess or being constricted emotionally then by all means. Saturn will toughen you up and in the long run this could be a good thing to learn not to let things get to you. ( a positive as in Saturn being a teacher and wiser in your planets area) Or it could come off as mean, cold and uncaring to your emotions and the feeling that the love is not there even though the Saturn person stays with you threw thick and thin. Saturn would be saying to the Moon person, do you have to whine all the time?? Please stop crying, dear Jesus. ( a negative in being hurtful or unsymathetic ) Depends on your perspective and how you process the lesson Saturn teaches. IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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posted September 14, 2017 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
I feel like I am seeing the aspect dynamic play out in this thread. Rosalind is Saturn behaving in negative aspect to Child of Venus as Venus or Moon. Stern, cold, and unyielding... pointing out the childish/innocent/rose-colored-glasses/positive viewpoint is not based in hard facts or reality etc. This is how it plays out in relationships. In a balanced perspective, this is grow conducive (positive) though decidedly uncomfortable and unpleasant (negative).
LOL!!! I hate to see the dispute on here but in all honesty, this is how Saturn\ moon would play out. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 15, 2017 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
LOL!!! I hate to see the dispute on here but in all honesty, this is how Saturn\ moon would play out.
How is what I'm saying childish? Some of the things I mentioned are actually true. IP: Logged |
waxlobster
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posted September 20, 2017 02:02 PM
A double whammy is *always* preferred by me - I don't like to see an imbalance of 'power' with Saturn or Pluto aspects as it leads to role playing (not dissimilar to the fascinating demonstration above!!)If you keep your eyes open with Saturn aspects and monitor your behaviour, then even the hard aspects can be softened. Just like all relationships, self-awareness and humility go a long way towards resolution. Choose to act from the ego, then you can turn a lovely Saturn trine into contention. I don't know about you guys, but I didn't learn astrology to be a fatalist, I learned it so that I could have my eyes open and understand myself and my relationships better. Sure, Saturn can bring a dose of karma with him, but the bond is so strong, 'safe' and supportive when two people work together....it can be very beautiful indeed. Unconditional love is the realm of Saturn more than Neptune when you really think about it! Whilst the former begins with conditions, the latter ends with them (and often because of them!)... :-) ------------------
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Thefish
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posted September 20, 2017 08:03 PM
As always there are no absolutes. How people receive Saturnian energy and how Saturn is aspects along with sign Saturn falls affects how Saturn is felt.Venus in hard aspect to Saturn in synastry especially opposition and square are quite challenging and tend to fail. However Saturn is needed as glue for relationships. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2017 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Thefish:
As always there are no absolutes. How people receive Saturnian energy and how Saturn is aspects along with sign Saturn falls affects how Saturn is felt.Venus in hard aspect to Saturn in synastry especially opposition and square are quite challenging and tend to fail. However Saturn is needed as glue for relationships.
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