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Aubyanne
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posted April 07, 2015 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On this lunar return following an eclipse which has illuminated my SUN/PLUTO (and, to a lesser degree, PRIAPUS) it's got me thinking about those perfect synastries and composites which never panned out.

We've all had a special someone which turned our head, swept us off of our feet, changed our lives -- and broke our heart in ways we didn't know it could. Unfortunately, a lot of these were supported by what seemed ironclad astrology; either stellar synastry, an exceptional composite, or both.

What's your story? Where did it all go wrong? Why do you think it did?

Feel free to share charts, anecdotes, thoughts, theories, and, in general, vent and offer solace to others who may also have their head spinning now, or remember that time the world went topsy-turvy vividly.

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posted April 07, 2015 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if you were on LL back in 2011, this needs no introduction:

Exceptional composite for a relationship in which the circumstances were too great to be overcome. The SCORPIO influence has led to an underlying Cold War throughout, which heats up only to launch attacks, then settles back into a quiet discontent.

Some people can never just be friends. Not only. The above composite's highly concentrated nature with the emphasis of SCORPIO is a testament to that. There remains too great an intensity which easily devolves into hidden rage and open war.

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posted April 07, 2015 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This above composite reminds me of my composite with my current crush. We have a very packed 1st House (but in Sag), Scorpio Asc (29Sco18) and Chiron on Dsc (0Gem31).

Strong synastry too and nothing is happening. Nada.

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posted April 07, 2015 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
This above composite reminds me of my composite with my current crush. We have a very packed 1st House (but in Sag), Scorpio Asc (29Sco18) and Chiron on Dsc (0Gem31).

Strong synastry too and nothing is happening. Nada.


SUN, MOON, VENUS, VALENTINE, MERC, and JUPITER conjunct in 1H, but in SAG?

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posted April 07, 2015 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct Uranus (trine Moon in Aries)
SN conjunct Alma
Jupiter/Mercury/Vesta conjunct (opposed by Venus in Gemini)
Psych
Neptune

In Sag....

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posted April 07, 2015 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne,
I am thinking, perhpas your composite chart ruler Scorpio isn't the culprit. Could it be because Pluto was in 12th H (not good, inprisoned) with Saturn conjunction?

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posted April 07, 2015 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Sun conjunct Uranus (trine Moon in Aries)
SN conjunct Alma
Jupiter/Mercury/Vesta conjunct (opposed by Venus in Gemini)
Psych
Neptune

In Sag....


Hm. But no MOON, VALENTINE, JUPITER or VENUS. So VERY different then.

SNODE conjunct ALMA is a likely Soulmate indicator, though.

Is the stellium SNODE-ALMA-SUN-URA-PSYCHE-NEPTUNE?

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posted April 07, 2015 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
Aubyanne,
I am thinking, perhpas your composite chart ruler Scorpio isn't the culprit. Could it be because Pluto was in 12th H (not good, inprisoned) with Saturn conjunction?

Good thought, Astra. iQ suggested that the sextile to EROS conjunct the GC was enough to neutralise the negativity (which I'm theorising stems from a major betrayal in an Atlantean lifeline). Then VENUS-VALENTINE takes care of everything else.

Ultimately, LUST conjunct the SATURN-PLUTO is a positive, but VERY potent aspect. The lack of sexual expression is what led us to develop antagonism. The root is the inability to express ourselves more deeply. It's honestly quite tragic.

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posted April 07, 2015 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hm. But no MOON, VALENTINE, JUPITER or VENUS. So VERY different then.

SNODE conjunct ALMA is a likely Soulmate indicator, though.

Is the stellium SNODE-ALMA-SUN-URA-PSYCHE-NEPTUNE?


Haha.. yeah.. it's not exactly the same. Sorry! I was just commenting purely from the general pattern of the composite

Here are the degrees:

Sun: 08SAG23
Uranus: 09SAG15
SN: 16SAG25
Alma: 17SAG02
Jupiter: 20SAG11
Mercury: 21SAG55
Vesta: 22SAG57
Psyche: 28SAG30
Neptune: 28SAG40

Wooo so Psyche is conjunct Neptune.. Lol! Just noticed!

ALSO.... Whole bunch of stuff is PARALLEL. Crazy.

OMG. Chiron is SD. Grreat!

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posted April 07, 2015 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Well, if you were on LL back in 2011, this needs no introduction:

Exceptional composite for a relationship in which the circumstances were too great to be overcome. The SCORPIO influence has led to an underlying Cold War throughout, which heats up only to launch attacks, then settles back into a quiet discontent.

Some people can never just be friends. Not only. The above composite's highly concentrated nature with the emphasis of SCORPIO is a testament to that. There remains too great an intensity which easily devolves into hidden rage and open war.


I think that huge stellium opposing Chiron is the culprit.

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posted April 07, 2015 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird. CHIRON (and AMBROSIA) conjunct DSC in the Composite for me too. Like yours, a New Moon Composite (in LIB/SCO -- so Part of Fortune conjunct ASC) and a packed 4H/SCO.

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posted April 07, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Haha.. yeah.. it's not exactly the same. Sorry! I was just commenting purely from the general pattern of the composite

Here are the degrees:

Sun: 08SAG23
Uranus: 09SAG15
SN: 16SAG25
Alma: 17SAG02
Jupiter: 20SAG11
Mercury: 21SAG55
Vesta: 22SAG57
Psyche: 28SAG30
Neptune: 28SAG40

Wooo so Psyche is conjunct Neptune.. Lol! Just noticed!

ALSO.... Whole bunch of stuff is PARALLEL. Crazy.

OMG. Chiron is SD. Grreat!


Oh, no worries. Yeah, there are certain factors which make composites similar. We'd say yours does have a 1H influence, and is highly concentrated, but very different in terms of nature and expression.

I like PSYCHE conjunct NEP as it's on the GC. Are you both highly spiritual or metaphysical?

You have groupings rather than stellia:

SUN conjunct URA
SNODE conjunct ALMA
JUPITER conjunct MERCURY
PSYCHE conjunct NEPTUNE (on GC)

As these are 1H, they'll no doubt shape the interactions you have, and represent some dynamics you share. (And the parallels are to be expected in most cases of conjunctions in composite.)

CHIRON is SD? I'm not following.

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posted April 07, 2015 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by page one:
I think that huge stellium opposing Chiron is the culprit.

I agree. With emotional maturity, it might have been amazing. I can only hope we'll still be able to cobble together a helluva series in about a decade or so.

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posted April 07, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Weird. CHIRON (and AMBROSIA) conjunct DSC in the Composite for me too. Like yours, a New Moon Composite (in LIB/SCO -- so Part of Fortune conjunct ASC) and a packed 4H/SCO.

CHIRON conjunct DSC is deeply dependent upon other factors. It's a definite swing vote, you might say. I look at the planetary picture to grasp a better understanding of how they express themselves in two significant composites of mine:

In the above:

DSC = CHIRON / VERTEX
Committed relationship resulting from fated healing.

Versus:

CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC
Fated committed relationship resulting from healing.

Not at all the same thing!

When I saw that, a lightbulb went off for me. In the former example, a committed relationship is dependent upon fated healing. In the latter, healing results from the fated committed relationship.

Nuances matter! With that in mind, take a closer look at your midpoint pictures. You see how in the one pictured the DSC is right on the VERTEX/CHIRON Midpoint, as they hug the DSC.

In the other example (not pictured) we have the following:

23° ARIES 14 | DESCENDANT
23° ARIES 27 | CHIRON
24° ARIES 57 | VERTEX

So it comes out with CHIRON on the Midpoint of the DSC/VERTEX.

The above degrees, by the way, are intimately linked to our Draco natals and sidereals (and tropical natals, too!) in rather astounding ways. They further describe the Midpoint picture in our tropical composite, and have proved SO helpful.

It doesn't always happen you get such dead-on conjunctions, but when you do, it's immensely useful.

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posted April 07, 2015 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, no worries. Yeah, there are certain factors which make composites similar. We'd say yours does have a 1H influence, and is highly concentrated, but very different in terms of nature and expression.

I like PSYCHE conjunct NEP as it's on the GC. Are you both highly spiritual or metaphysical?

You have groupings rather than stellia:

SUN conjunct URA
SNODE conjunct ALMA
JUPITER conjunct MERCURY
PSYCHE conjunct NEPTUNE (on GC)

As these are 1H, they'll no doubt shape the interactions you have, and represent some dynamics you share. (And the parallels are to be expected in most cases of conjunctions in composite.)

CHIRON is SD? I'm not following.


I am spiritual as in I believe in universe and energy, how these two are influencing us, extraterrestrial existence, etc.. There is something grand that is in the background... that sort of things. I'm not religious or following a religion. I don't know about him tho..

Re: GC - I like this too but well.. only if we can't get out of the snooze...

Re: Parallel - I see! So it's not unusual than.

Yes you are right! The objects are in groups and not a big bulb of stellium.
If I plug more asteroids, I realized they usually end up in the 1H as well.. Quite fascinating, and I don't even know what it is like to have a packed 1H....

Re: Chiron - in the extra table from astro.com, Chiron has this little "sd" written on it. I've never seen it in composites before! Another thing, Chiron is not well aspected - only receives a trine from Mars in 2H. I guess it's better that it's a trine, rather than square.

The more I think about it, the more I feel worse about my composite..

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posted April 07, 2015 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
CHIRON conjunct DSC is deeply dependent upon other factors. It's a definite swing vote, you might say. I look at the planetary picture to grasp a better understanding of how they express themselves in two significant composites of mine:

In the above:

DSC = CHIRON / VERTEX
Committed relationship resulting from fated healing.

Versus:

CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC
Fated committed relationship resulting from healing.

[b]Not at all the same thing!

When I saw that, a lightbulb went off for me. In the former example, a committed relationship is dependent upon fated healing. In the latter, healing results from the fated committed relationship.

Nuances matter! With that in mind, take a closer look at your midpoint pictures. You see how in the one pictured the DSC is right on the VERTEX/CHIRON Midpoint, as they hug the DSC.

In the other example (not pictured) we have the following:

23° ARIES 14 | DESCENDANT
23° ARIES 27 | CHIRON
24° ARIES 57 | VERTEX

So it comes out with CHIRON on the Midpoint of the DSC/VERTEX.

The above degrees, by the way, are intimately linked to our Draco natals and sidereals (and tropical natals, too!) in rather astounding ways. They further describe the Midpoint picture in our tropical composite, and have proved SO helpful.

It doesn't always happen you get such dead-on conjunctions, but when you do, it's immensely useful.[/B]


Hmm interesting.

The Vx is in 8H in my composite.

So I got these md. pts:

Vx: 11CAN08
Chiron: 00GEM31
DSC: 29TAU18

Vx/Dsc: 20GEM13
Vx/Chiron: 20GEM49

They conjunct Venus (22GEM34), and bit too far but the NN (16GEM16).

I should add that IC/MC axis squares (@ 2 deg) the nodal axis... Would this add difficulty getting off ground too?

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posted April 07, 2015 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In the above:

DSC = CHIRON / VERTEX
Committed relationship resulting from fated healing.

Versus:

CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC
Fated committed relationship resulting from healing.



Oh, I missed that Chiron aspects to 1st H! :O

Or else, could it be Chiron = Vertex / DSC
Pain resulting from partnership?
I see that it COULD be 'healing' however....
people say, there will be pain FIRST before healing.

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Thank you for the awesome explanations, Auby.

Concerning CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC, wouldn't it mean 'healing resulting from fated committed relationship' instead of the opposite ? It's not quite the same as 'fated committed relationship resulting from healing', is it ?

So, in my composite, we have :

CHIRON /// 8° AQU 21'
AMBROSIA /// 8° AQU 50'
DSC /// 9° AQU 21'

And that would translate into 'a healing committed relationship resulting in ...'

... in what, actually ? As Ambrosia gave immortality (in other words, the missing piece needed for the union of a God and a mortal in mythology), is it safe to interpret the asteroid AMBROSIA, in human terms, as the personal growth or emotional maturity needed in order for two people to unite ?

And as we're talking about a midpoint composite, I suppose the opposite placements could work, too :

OSIRIS /// 0° LEO 48'
ASC /// 9° LEO 21' (or DSC, AMBROSIA, CHIRON)
ISIS /// 18° LEO 23'

I also applied your method to these composite placements :

SUN /// 29° LIB 54'
NORTH NODE /// 29° LIB 56'
MOON /// 0° SCO 25'

The last two abovementioned connections seem to say the same thing in this sense : 'the union of two complementary halves resulting in growth and evolution' (when using OSIRIS/ISIS = AMBROSIA), and also resonate with CHIRON/DSC = AMBROSIA.

In the natals, we have my :

n PSYCHE /// 7° AQU 09'
n SOUTH NODE /// 9° AQU 49'

dr MC /// 6° AQU 28'

sid VERTEX /// 7° AQU 25'
sid POMONA /// 7° AQU 25'

and his :

n CYRUS /// 7° AQU 27'
n NYMPHE /// 6° LEO 42'
n ISIS /// 11° LEO 00'

dr KARMA /// 5° AQU 18'
dr MERCURY /// 7° AQU 29'
dr BML /// 7° AQU 40'

sid MC /// 8° AQU 08'

Umm... Am I even doing this right ?

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posted April 07, 2015 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neptunian Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I agree. With emotional maturity, it might have been amazing. I can only hope we'll still be able to cobble together a helluva series in about a decade or so.

yup. Emotional maturity has a lot to do with it I feel.

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posted April 07, 2015 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
I am spiritual as in I believe in universe and energy, how these two are influencing us, extraterrestrial existence, etc.. There is something grand that is in the background... that sort of things. I'm not religious or following a religion. I don't know about him tho..

Re: GC - I like this too but well.. only if we can't get out of the snooze...

Re: Parallel - I see! So it's not unusual than.

Yes you are right! The objects are in groups and not a big bulb of stellium.
If I plug more asteroids, I realized they usually end up in the 1H as well.. Quite fascinating, and I don't even know what it is like to have a packed 1H....

Re: Chiron - in the extra table from astro.com, Chiron has this little "sd" written on it. I've never seen it in composites before! Another thing, Chiron is not well aspected - only receives a trine from Mars in 2H. I guess it's better that it's a trine, rather than square.

The more I think about it, the more I feel worse about my composite..


OH. Stationary-direct. Gotcha. So, yes, your CHIRON is extra powerful. Very 'NOTICE ME!'

Well, overall, you've got a definite purpose together, but it's of a deeply spiritual nature, for it to be involving the GC. Alas, if he isn't amenable to that ... well, it's not the first time potentially mind-blowing relationships failed to ignite -- or fulfill their purpose.

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posted April 07, 2015 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:

Vx/Dsc: 20GEM13
Vx/Chiron: 20GEM49

So they overlay. They share the same energy. CHIRON/VERTEX and DSC/VERTEX are essentially embodying the same vibe. You said cVENUS is there? Perhaps a Venusian activity -- art? Aesthetics? -- could tap into that energy. It's a bit wide for a true conjunction to activate a Midpoint, though. Anything else?

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posted April 07, 2015 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:

Oh, I missed that Chiron aspects to 1st H! :O

Or else, could it be Chiron = Vertex / DSC
Pain resulting from partnership?
I see that it COULD be 'healing' however....
people say, there will be pain FIRST before healing.


It did take a lot of growth and understanding to get things off the ground, and years of 'preparation' you might say, but it's been wonderfully healing since (October 2013). Indeed we fought for it -- but we never fought each other.

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posted April 07, 2015 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby, your composite really is impressive ! I was trying out duads after looking at the chart you posted :

VERTEX /// 16� SCO 36'
KARMA /// 0� TAU 12'
ASC /// 9� CAN 48'

Just to name a few.

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posted April 07, 2015 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peluches,

Is, isn't it? Such a tragic waste.

In response to your prior post, it's really just semantics. Look at it mathematically to simplify:

DSC ( relationship )
CHIRON ( healing / wound-recognition / pain )
VERTEX ( fate / destiny )

With my ex-Twin, it's:

DSC = CHIRON / VERTEX

So, mathematically, we can view it 'algebraically', where the equal sign is more of a barrier, denoting separation.

DSC | CHIRON + VERTEX

Relationship | Healing + Fate

'Relationship' is an entirely separate variable; Healing and Fate are connected (addition to each other) but Relationship is on the opposite side of the equal sign. All operations are divided by it, indicating separate variables.

In our case, 'relationship' was the missing variable. So the rest is quickly moot. Sure, such a relationship would've been very healing -- which was destined. And whether it's 'a relationship resulting in fated healing' or 'fated healing resulting in a relationship' hardly matters, as 'relationship' isn't a factor. But, alas. C'est la vie.

Whereas with my Guardian, it's different:

CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC

Breaking it down again, we've got the variables divided by the equal sign:

Healing = Fate + Relationship

VERTEX and DSC are taken together, so 'fated relationship' is the variable. Healing, instead, is what can result from the fated relationship.

What of without it? Is it possible to have 'fate' resulting in 'healing' from the composite alone? That's only with cVERTEX conjunct cCHIRON -- which is an aspect we do have, showing how a very major driving force of our relationship is healing.The fact it's superconjunct the cDSC shows how a committed relationship will activate the cVERTEX/cCHIRON -- even though the Midpoint is technically cDSC/cVERTEX with cCHIRON inextricable from cDSC and right on the Midpoint.

It DOES get confusing. That's why the minutes matter, along with Midpoints and various influences.

In broadstrokes, our relationship would force us to confront our greatest fears and heal our deepest wounds. But we're ultimately fated to do so together.

Why? What's the wound to be healed?

... Ready for this?

20° ARIES 33 | dVENUS (mine)
21° ARIES 00 | sCUPIDO (his)
22° ARIES 21 | sHADES (his)
22° ARIES 38 | sCHIRON (mine)
22° ARIES 39 | dASC (mine)
23° ARIES 31 | sTISIPHONE (his)
24° ARIES 52 | dMADHATTER (mine)
26° ARIES 30 | sPREY (mine)

That wound; that very heavy karma which became psychically unbearable following the October eclipse. We both consciously worked together to overcome it. By January, we had. ( ... Mostly. Enough to halt the nightmares and sudden, inexplicable panic that would overtake me around him.)

As a result, the following are becoming truly accessible to us:

20° ARIES 02 | nPRIAPUS (mine)
20° ARIES 46 | nBML (his)
22° ARIES 31 | nMOON (his)
22° ARIES 52 | nNABOKOV (his)
23° ARIES 16 | nANUBIS (mine)
24° ARIES 37 | nNYMPHE (his)

Crazy, no?

Needless to say, healing karma to allow him to finally express his emotions (MOON) and us to have a societally taboo (NABOKOV) sexual (NYMPHE) relationship which allows me to explore my deeper vulnerabilities (PRIAPUS), him his primality (BML), and unlocks my more powerful astral abilities (ANUBIS) -- has been absolutely worth it!

Hard work, but completely worth it.

That was the result of a lengthy 2-3 year investigation into four different systems, exploring patterns and configurations. It's a LOT of work, but can be extremely illuminating.

In regards to your CHIRON/AMBROSIA question, I think the trick is to understand how AMBROSIA is operating in your astrology, as it may be doing so on a different level, of atypically in some fashion.

Otherwise, you might want to see what hits your cCHIRON/AMBROSIA in the other systems -- Draco and sidereal, namely. It may be karma that's brought you into this impossible situation to learn specific lessons.

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posted April 08, 2015 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
OH. Stationary-direct. Gotcha. So, yes, your CHIRON is extra powerful. Very 'NOTICE ME!'

Well, overall, you've got a definite purpose together, but it's of a deeply spiritual nature, for it to be involving the GC. Alas, if he isn't amenable to that ... well, it's not the first time potentially mind-blowing relationships failed to ignite -- or fulfill their purpose.


Natally I have a prominent Chiron. I know what this sucker does to me. I'm not sure if he does. He has a few hard chiron aspects (t-square and quincunx, etc...) but It's hard to tell if he has been able to accept what Chiron does to him.

So ironic. Astrology brought us together by fate, gave us a purpose to fulfill together... A purpose to the two who failed to be together...

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