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Topic: dynamic aspects in synastry
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 08:17 AM
the dynamic aspects in synastry are conjunction, opposition and square . Now I have been playing around with my solar fire program, and you can look at which aspects are coming up in a synastry more often than expected. In all synastries I looked at it was obvious that the dynamic aspects were more often there, and the softer aspects of trine and sextile less than expected. Also it was interesting to note that the quinkunx came up much more often than expected in some couples, and not at all in others.
1) my parents: square: +29% quinkunx: + 83% sextile: -89% 2) friends of mine: square: +54% quinkunx: -33% sextile: -21% 3) Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward
conjunction: +71% opposition: +66% but also sextile: +36% and square: -14% 4) PIerre and Marie Curie opposition: +27% square: +17% conjunction: -49% trine: -37% quinkunx: +33% 5)Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning conjunction: +46% square: + 42% quinkunx: -67% 6) Liz Taylor and Richard Burton
square: +23% trine: -27 quinkunx: +33% 7) Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
square: +48% opp.: -32% conj.: -31% 8) in a couple that was leading a long distance relationship and amicably separated after a few years, no great drama, maybe because of the friendship that was really basis of their relationship sextile: +47% opposition: -61% (and square -8%) IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2013 08:36 AM
Too many sextiles and trines to me always implied laziness & complacency in synastry to me. The hard aspects to give it that energy to make it work, through conflicts or doing things together IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 08:51 AM
Yes, I`ve always assumed that, but still found the emerging picture quite interesting, to see it like this.However, a trine or sextile now and then can be pretty nice and comforting, just it will not make a relationship happen. Well people make a relationship happen, not aspects. But it seems the dynamic aspects represent the kick in the butt that people need to start DOING something, pay attention, appraoch each other, get active. Actually i screened synastries between people, too, who were just friends, or in my case with those people that i really genuinely liked, but there was just never a spark, so it all stayed in a friend zone. In all cases there was an overwhelming percentage of sextiles with a lack of conjunctions, oppositions or squares.
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posted May 22, 2013 12:55 PM
I've found that to be true too. Most of the men that I've had relationships with always have their moon opposite mine & cancer ascendants. It's a theme it seems. I like to see more easy going aspects to venus....it seems to be a sensitive spot (for me at least) but I always get the hard aspects to my other planets. IP: Logged |
tgem Moderator Posts: 3863 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted May 22, 2013 01:02 PM
What kind of synastry aspects (hard or soft) would make a couple feel like they have to explore the relationship..that is HAS to happen..whether the outcome is long term or short term?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 01:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by cappy1277: I've found that to be true too. Most of the men that I've had relationships with always have their moon opposite mine & cancer ascendants. It's a theme it seems. I like to see more easy going aspects to venus....it seems to be a sensitive spot (for me at least) but I always get the hard aspects to my other planets.
Yes, and also like you hinted at, it seems that it also depends on the natal chart. Speaking statistically, in my chart the conjunction appears with a rate of + 65% (more hits than likely), and I am a conjunction-girl in synastry. For Paul Newman the rate of conjunction is even 111% - and what aspect did he mostly share with his wife? Yes, the conjunction. For his wife it was opposition and sextile which appeared more often, and they also shared these aspects. But anyway I disgress. Personally I like squares to my VEnus, especially of something juicy like Mars or Pluto. And if not in synastry, please in composite.
Actually not even that is enough, the gentlemen in question have to have something strong going on with their Venus as well. Usually an earthy Venus with dynamic aspects to Pluto like mine. Venus in Scorpio is also okay, though the sextile to my Venus usually seems "lacking" somehow. However I am weirdly attracted to Mars on around 5-13 Virgo, or Pluto there or something about the beginning of Taurus, so I am not totally immune to the trines to my Venus. It feels odd though, as if, while I am struggling with my Venus (square Pluto), the other party seems to say: "What`s up? What are you struggling with? Everything`s pretty fine about you. I really donīt see what the problem is." It is kinda nice now and then. lol
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 01:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: What kind of synastry aspects (hard or soft) would make a couple feel like they have to explore the relationship..that is HAS to happen..whether the outcome is long term or short term?
STrong resonances in natal, that get repeated in synastry (though there are actually two possibilities: either they feel they HAVE to explore this or they are running as fast as they can). conjunction, opposition, square to the nodal axis, especially of angles, luminaries, and ruler of the angles.
But most of all progressed aspects, indicating that NOW is the time. EDIT: oh and dynamic aspects of Saturn and Pluto to personal planets and angles often have their say to and can be rather compulsive; maybe more dramatically with Pluto, but SAturn is sticky, too.
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 2992 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 22, 2013 01:28 PM
My longest relationship (lived together) was for 7 years and he was a Leo Sun-Venus/Aries Moon-Rising, Aqua Mars-NN, Virgo Mercury.Gemini Saturn.I am a Cancer Sun, Venus,Mercury, Saturn, Ceres Virgo Rising-Mars, Leo Saturn. We stuck together through more ups and downs I want to remember until it was time for me to leave. Never a dull moment though.. I have also been with guys that have had equal amount of water as I and it was a complete snooze-fest. IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2013 02:08 PM
My venus is square Jupiter & ascendant. I guess I like it to be easier because my venus is already being slammed with tons of energy. We already have strong resonation between our charts (synastry) composite & progressed. My north node squares his sun and his north node conjuncts my mars (in the eighth house?!?). Do you give any considerations for midpoints? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 02:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by cappy1277:
Do you give any considerations for midpoints?
Yes, definitely. I have a liking for Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars of course but also look for Sun/Venus, Moon/Mars, Sun/Mars, Moon/Venus, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Pluto, Venus/Uranus, Venus/Neptune, and additionally to a few with Jupiter, Sun/Jupiter, Moon/Jupiter, Venus/Jupiter, Mars/Jupiter, and for communication with Mercury. However I find the strongest are those which are at the midpoint of an aspect. For example in my synastry: I have natally Jupiter square Neptune-NN-conjunction. And his Venus falls onto the exact midpoint. It`s nice, very idealistic and emotionally expansive and feels kind of "meaningful" to me. Apart from these I mainly look for the direct hits (conjunction/ opposition) within 2 degrees, and sometimes squares within about one degree or one degree and a half. But out of these the direct midpoints that are also connected to a natal aspect seem to be the strongest. BTW for him the resonance is more with Venus-Pluto, as my ASC-NN-Neptune conjunction falls onto his Venus/Pluto-mp. But of course I have a Venus-Pluto-square myself, and his Uranus falls onto its midpoint, which is generational yes, but we are dealing with one degree orb here - so all of a sudden not THAT generational.
I like finding symmetries or resonances like this; it is an explantion of the deeper reason that is underneath an attraction.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 02:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by cappy1277: My venus is square Jupiter & ascendant. I guess I like it to be easier because my venus is already being slammed with tons of energy. We already have strong resonation between our charts (synastry) composite & progressed. My north node squares his sun and his north node conjuncts my mars (in the eighth house?!?). Do you give any considerations for midpoints?
I also guess Venus-Jupiter might want to be a little more persistent in that relationship should bring joy and pleasure and be expansive, as Jupite is such an uplifting enthusiastic joyful energy. With my Pluto squaring an already serious, some say gloomy and boring, Capricorn Venus, there is a strange perspective of the pain-and-pleasure-principle I guess. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 22, 2013 02:25 PM
Was suddenly thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3I21ZQxmYo
vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1mPY9z4kvQ no, I wouldnīt take it that literal. But it was just the soundtrack in my mind a minute ago.
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posted May 22, 2013 03:30 PM
Venus trines Pluto (both retrograde) in his chart and that shows up in synastry & composite. My moon trine Pluto also shows up in the synastry.As far as midpoints: His: Sun/moon c my sun Sun/mercury c my mid heaven Sun/venus c my mid heaven Moon/mercury c my sun Moon/venus c my sun Moon/mars c my venus Venus/vertex c my sun Me: Sun/venus c his mercury & venus Sun/Uranus oppose his moon Venus/mars c his sun Venus/Pluto c his sun IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2013 03:32 PM
Omg...my immortal always brings tears to my eyes. I can't listen to it lol. Amy lee has the most powerful & beautifullest singing voice!! IP: Logged |
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posted May 22, 2013 03:59 PM
Lol we've been through this already http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211821.html IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 23, 2013 01:36 AM
Very interesting thread. I definitely have to say that I could certainly see how one's natal can influence which of the dynamic aspects you're most attracted to. I have about four conjunctions in my natal and of we include the outers, maybe ten or more conjunctions with my boyfriend.IP: Logged |
depth Knowflake Posts: 606 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted May 23, 2013 03:55 PM
I have 2 squares natally but my exs and i shared around 9 squares each. My partner and i have 7 oppositions and 2 squares and 2 t-squares. Our charts are like mirror images. Hmm...i don't understand why i attract tough synastry charts with peasant looking composite charts.My sun in sagittarius and moon in virgo are square by sign. My 8h moon has always made either a sextile to a scorpio sun or a trine to an earth sun or a conjunction in relationship synaatry charts. Sun/moon aspect has become a recurrent aspect for me. IP: Logged |
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posted May 23, 2013 04:07 PM
The composite chart is a reflection of how the relationship can be once all the hard is being done. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 23, 2013 04:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by depth: i don't understand why i attract tough synastry charts with peasant looking composite charts.
Because of the resonances. IP: Logged |
LionFish Knowflake Posts: 1411 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted May 23, 2013 05:09 PM
I have three natal YODs. Sun/Moon sextile both quincunx IC, Venus/Chiron sextile both quincunx Pluto, and Jupiter/Neptune sextile both quincunx ASC.With friends or lovers, even my adopted mother and father, any person with a long standing relationship completes or grounds (opposing the apex planet) one of these YODs. The people who REALLY stand out touch more than one. My life is full of quincunxes and oppositions apparently I also seem to be rather fond of squares in synastry. I have 9 squares in my natal chart. 3 are to my Ascendant and 2 each to my Sun, Venus, and Mercury. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 23, 2013 07:57 PM
Guys, what about orbs?Are we counting the 3 degree cap for conjunctions in synastry, too? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 24, 2013 03:33 AM
My personal favourite classification.I. 00°-00°59 II. 01°00-2°59 III. 3°00 - 5°00 Up to 3 degrees the aspects are quite tight and usually have a strong and easily discernable quality (also getting off by transits simultaneously).
From 3-5 degrees they are still be felt, but with less insistency. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 24, 2013 03:37 AM
''From 3-5 degrees they are still be felt, but with less insistency.''You don't take into consideration orbs that are greater than 5 degrees? like for instance saturn opp moon at 9 degree? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 24, 2013 04:55 AM
No I donīt.However, if I were to use Vedic astrology, I would stick to their rules, as they are using whole sign aspects as I believe. Anyway, I would pay attention to the sign background in Western astrology as well, but it is not the same as an actual aspect. But I know that there are other astrologers who would use a 9 degree orb for this. Just I don`t.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18757 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 24, 2013 04:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by cappy1277: Lol we've been through this already http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211821.html
Yes, I find midpoints fascinating and very telling. Though I use a 2 degree orb with conjunctions and 1°30 with squares (will not look into semisquare or sesisquare though). I remember I once did a midpoint analysis of a celebrity couple which was a real fun exercise. lol http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204037.html I find it really curteous of him to confirm my interpretation in one of his latest interviews.
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