posted June 04, 2013 03:54 PM            

Brad and Anjelina Draconic shows true love as his Moon/Venus conjuncts exactly her Sun. While their synastry is quite filled with squares and oppositions - the Draconic shows the love and true match between these two people. Love brought them together.

Let me know if your Draconic reflects the purpose of your relationship. You are not going to find much in the Draconic chart, but you will find the theme of the relationsip, that's for sure. Look for that special conjunction or opposition between planets and angles, something that pops out when looking at your Draconic and see if this describes your relationship.

posted June 04, 2013 08:00 PM            

What's very interesting is when there's a stellium between both charts, conjunct - very powerful, focused energy..

posted June 04, 2013 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

What's very interesting is when there's a stellium between both charts, conjunct - very powerful, focused energy..

Angle connections are really personal and deep, I find, especially the ASC/DSC axis.

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Conjunction of two stelliums would be explosive, I suppose, I have never seen that in Draconics so far.

I am just inclined to think that if the Draconic between two people doesn't show some strong connections, involving a personal planet ( conjunction or opposition), the relationship won't happen at all or simply won't last.
A conjunction to an angle or a conjunction between Sun, Venus or Moon being the strongest indicator of a soulmate material.

The Draconic is so unique and personal.

posted June 05, 2013 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Conjunction of two stelliums would be explosive, I suppose, I have never seen that in Draconics so far.

I am just inclined to think that if the Draconic between two people doesn't show some strong connections, involving a personal planet ( conjunction or opposition), the relationship won't happen at all or simply won't last.
A conjunction to an angle or a conjunction between Sun, Venus or Moon being the strongest indicator of a soulmate material.

The Draconic is so unique and personal.

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I agree so far with everything you've written. I believe the importance of draconic synastry has been discussed in former threads.
It does fit with the draconic chart symbolism that it would show the purpose or "theme" of the relationship since it is a "nodal" chart. I personally think it relates more to a deeper layer of ourselves, our subconscious which makes it all the more powerful. I also think that the draconic relates to what you have to learn from a relationship, thus showing the "themes" of it and its purpose.

I have been wondering if an aspect in draconic synastry should be considered more significant than one in tropical synastry, and how differently the are expressed, felt by both.

posted June 05, 2013 07:29 AM            

For example, in tropical we have his Venus exactly conjunct my Karma on my Descendant. Now it turns out that my draconic Saturn is exactly on this conjunction - with his Venus the orb is less than 5 minutes.

posted June 05, 2013 07:54 AM            

Not so much in draconic-draconic actually, as much as draconic-natal.

My D. Moon conjunct His D. Uranus (Wide, 4 degrees, but i find it significant as exactly the same conjunction is found in our past life synastry chart - real persons, not Pluto-based-charts)
My D. Mars opposite His D. Mercury 3
My D. Jupiter conjunct His D. Uranus 1
My D. Saturn conjunct His D. Antivertex 1
My D. Neptune opposite His D. Saturn EXACT
My D. Juno&Valentine conjunct His D. Sun 2
My D. Antivertex conjunct His D. Eros EXACT
My D. MC square his D. ASC EXACT

Links from draconic to natals:

My D. Sun conjunct his N. Uranus 1'30
My D. Mercury conjunct His N. South Node 0
My D. Venus conjunct His N. South Node 0
My D. Saturn conjunct His N. Venus 0
My D. Saturn opposite His N. Karma 0
My D. Pluto conjunct His N. Jupiter 1
My D. Pluto conjunct His N. Descendant 0

His D. Mercury opposite My N. Moon 0
His D. Venus conjunct my N. Uranus 0
His D. Neptune conjunct my N. Sun 3
His D. Vertex conjunct my N. ASC 0
His D. Eros conjunct my N. Sun 1

posted June 05, 2013 07:58 AM            

In Draconic-draconic I only found some strong oppositions, like Venus-Venus/Neptune and Pluto-Moon and Sun/Moon midpoint opp. Moon.
NO conjunctions (what I remember) striking enough.

posted June 05, 2013 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Unlike draconic-draconic I was completely astonished when I looked at our draconic-natal synastry in which I suddenly found all the traditional outstanding ones like an exact Sun-Moon conj. an exact Venus-Mars conj. and last but not least an exact Sun-Descendant conj. Exactly what we lack in normal synastry. And some more outstanding conjunctions.

In Draconic-draconic I only found some strong oppositions, like Venus-Venus and Pluto-Moon and Sun/Moon midpoint opp. Moon.
NO conjunctions (what I remember) striking enough.

What's your experience with both comparisons, one prevailing over the other? since here it certainly is.

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posted June 05, 2013 10:11 AM            

Wait a bloody second!! My guy has his NN at 0.00 degrees Aries too!!! Is this a joke??

posted June 05, 2013 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have my NN at 0.00 degrees Aries in my Draconic Chart! How 'bout them apples!!? And my fiancé has his NN, Mars and Moon in Aries. Must mean something...

Wait a bloody second!! My guy has his NN at 0.00 degrees Aries too!!! Is this a joke??

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posted June 05, 2013 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I agree so far with everything you've written. I believe the importance of draconic synastry has been discussed in former threads.
I have been wondering if an aspect in draconic synastry should be considered more significant than one in tropical synastry, and how differently the are expressed, felt by both.

Also I am inclined to think that draconic aspects are mostly felt if they aspect tropical placements. I believe aspects that do not touch the tropical synastry are less of an influence, still important but maybe they can't manifest themselves as easily.

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The natal synastry is very important to show the energy between two people. And it does, wonderfully. Synastry never cease to amaze me.

However, If we believe that everything in our lives has a purpose and it is not just happening accidentally, then this is when the draconic synastry kicks in - it shows why the relationship happened, if ever, and where it is headed. Purpose and Direction. This is what Draconic is about. Draconic chart is based on North Node and NNode is regarded as our guiding light, it shows what direction we are going in this life time.

I think Draconic to Draconic is proly more imporant because it shows two people with two life directions interwined together, it shows where each of the two people is already headed. If their life directions are compatible, they usually meet and evolve together. The Draconic synastry will show that.

posted June 05, 2013 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I wonder - when we look for links between one person's natal and other person's draconic charts. Who feels the aspect more - the one with draconic placement or the one with tropical placement?

For example, in tropical we have his Venus exactly conjunct my Karma on my Descendant. Now it turns out that my draconic Saturn is exactly on this conjunction - with his Venus the orb is less than 5 minutes.

Who is influenced more by this?

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Selene, the meaning of aspects shall be read in the same way as tropical synastry. However, I think the Draconic aspects are not really felt. They just paint the picture. Synastry is about feelings, Draconic is about showing you the future. For example, if your Draconic Saturn conjuncts his tropical Venus, it doesn't mean that you are going to opress him, like a regular synastry would interpret it. In Draconic terms it would mean that your contribution to this relationship is to bring stability and control.

posted June 05, 2013 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
In draconic chart, everyone has their north node at 00° Aries.

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posted June 05, 2013 01:15 PM            

OR, when I am looking at the charts "making sense" am I actually looking at things "making sense" in my Natal Chart that I have yet to consciously see or deal with?

posted June 05, 2013 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Question: Why is my Natal Chart SUCH a stand alone when my Draconic, Vedic and Progressive charts have a "red thread" shared between them?? My nChart might as well be another human and the other 3 are me. It's so strange.

OR, when I am looking at the charts "making sense" am I actually looking at things "making sense" in my Natal Chart that I have yet to consciously see or deal with?

Even looking at Chinese and Celtic horoscopes they go along with the Draconic, Vedic and Prog. Charts but NOT my Natal Chart.

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Vedic (sidereal) should be identical to your natal chart, only the angles and the signs are different but the config should remain the same. Why are you saying they are completely different?

Progressed chart is a completely different beast, you can't compare that to natal charts of any system and look for similarity. Google "progressed charts" to see what they are about.

Draconic chart would be identical to your natal only if your North Node was at 0-1' Aries at birth. If not, it will still look exactly like your natal, but the planets sign and angles will be different.

Chinese astrology is about animals and insects. Nothing similar to western astrology. Why are you expecting it to be similar to your natal and how is it similar to your Vedic or Progressed? this doesn't make sense.

posted June 05, 2013 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Vedic (sidereal) should be identical to your natal chart, only the angles and the signs are different but the config should remain the same. Why are you saying they are completely different?

Progressed chart is a completely different beast, you can't compare that to natal charts of any system and look for similarity. Google "progressed charts" to see what they are about.

Draconic chart would be identical to your natal only if your North Node was at 0-1' Aries at birth. If not, it will still look exactly like your natal, but the planets sign and angles will be different.

Chinese astrology is about animals and insects. Nothing similar to western astrology. Why are you expecting it to be similar to your natal and how is it similar to your Vedic or Progressed? this doesn't make sense.

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In all my charts I am either a Sag Sun/Gem Moon or Gem Sun/Sag Moon. Except my Natal....

In vedic I am also a Leo asc, Mars. Cancer Venus.

My Natal Chart is a Cancer stellium in 11H plus a Cap Moon and a Virgo Mars, Asc.

NOTHING fits with my Natal chart....but all the other charts makes sense if I look back at my life.

I am wondering if my Mom has my birth time completely wrong? Can it change that much then??

I guess what I mean is: why do I resonate on a soul deep level with all other charts but not my natal? And why do they reflect 99% of my friends that are mostly Gems and Sags Suns?

posted June 05, 2013 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
In all my charts I am either a Sag Sun/Gem Moon or Gem Sun/Sag Moon. Except my Natal....

In vedic I am also a Leo asc, Mars. Cancer Venus.

My Natal Chart is a Cancer stellium in 11H plus a Cap Moon and a Virgo Mars, Asc.

NOTHING fits with my Natal chart....but all the other charts makes sense if I look back at my life.

I am wondering if my Mom has my birth time completely wrong? Can it change that much then??

I guess what I mean is: why do I resonate on a soul deep level with all other charts but not my natal? And why do they reflect 99% of my friends that are mostly Gems and Sags Suns?

I am sorry if I make no sense...

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oh, okay, i understand now.

I guess you respond more to your progressed chart, which is completely normal.

posted June 05, 2013 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
What if you have conjunction of the Nodes in the Draconic synastry?

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posted June 05, 2013 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

oh, okay, i understand now.

I guess you respond more to your progressed chart, which is completely normal.

but are you saying you don't feel Cancerian one bit? hhmm *scratching the top of my head*
s'thing is wrong here, charlie

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posted June 05, 2013 09:07 PM            

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Unlike draconic-draconic I was completely astonished when I looked at our draconic-natal synastry in which I suddenly found all the traditional outstanding ones like an exact Sun-Moon conj. an exact Venus-Mars conj. and last but not least an exact Sun-Descendant conj.

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Btw, as we talk about patterns here these 3 conjunctions form a YOD together and so the effect of 2 overlying yods from both spheres.

Let's now wipe Sun-desc and add our draconic-natal chiron-mars conj. (within 1) and here another overlying yod again (hehe without wiping it becomes ofcourse some type of fortress = 2 interlocked yods)

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In Draconic-draconic I only found some strong oppositions, like Venus-Venus/Neptune and Pluto-Moon and Sun/Moon midpoint opp. Moon.

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