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Aubyanne
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posted May 06, 2015 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the great schoolhouse that is the earthly experience, we find our paths cross with many souls along more journeys than we could hope to count. Into each relationship, there's a bit of karma, a lot of learning, and a path to our soul's greatest evolution -- what we call 'destiny'. As a multidimensional astrologer, I've been most fascinated by the interplay of karma and destiny, and how we can find ourselves on that path to our soul's best development -- becoming the greatest version of ourselves.

So let's take a step away from karma for the moment, and look ahead. Way ahead. To destiny.

What is destiny?

For many, it's the feeling of synchronicity; when everything aligns in such a fashion that you'd swear someone must be pulling levers in the background and behind the scenes. Oh, and they are. We are. I'm of the opinion that we are ultimate creators and architects of our destiny. Like students of higher education, we have lessons to learn, goals to achieve, and dreams to realise.

The old soul is more akin to a graduate student, than true ascended master -- though, that isn't to say some don't return for specific purposes. Typically, to right wrongs, mentor certain members of their soul-family to follow in their cosmic footsteps, or teach large groups of individuals in a particular philosophy or experience. You won't find a tenured professor enrolling in even a graduate-level course, but you might find them auditing a few, and engaged in a bit of continuing education. It's a similar concept.

As you've probably heard by now, I'm a twin flame with a heavy karma, multiple confirmed Soulmate relationships and associations with soul-family, with a higher purpose and calling to fulfill. I've got CHIRON as a skipped step, I'm in a relationship with a man who is my skipped step, as we say, and, as a creative professional, I've slowly but surely been literally writing my own bizarre multidimensional karmic history as it's unfolded over the past 15 years. I've studied the Draco, the sidereal, the PE (prenatal eclipses), helio, harmonics, Vertices, Nodes, Huber degrees, the Uranian school (and the 90º dial), TNPs, Personae, Arabic Parts -- I regularly use asteroids -- patterns and configurations, and recently begun pioneering the D60t, or tropical 60th Harmonic for the purpose of karmic exploration. If it's an astrological method or technique, I've probably studied it in some form, even to great depth, in the last 25 years.

Recently, I began toying with the notion that the individual zodiacal systems are to be used in conjunction with each other -- to synthesise -- rather than exist separately for piecemeal interpretation. The truth, and the secret, it seemed, lay in an understanding of chronology as it unfolds cross-system. This is in its infancy -- as are many techniques -- but it resonates with me on a particular level, and I'd like to share it with you now.

You see, I've been rather flummoxed, for a time, in regards to how the sidereal is to be used with respect to the Draco, and vice versa. It would seem I've been given a strange 'cheat sheet' by understanding so much of my more prevalent karmic / multidimensional past in sharp detail. I'm able to verify certain elements in each in regards to what I know of a particular lifeline or experience, and the outstanding karma accrued from it.

I am presently aware of four major lifelines -- many which were concurrent, some that have terminated -- all revolving around similar issues where mistakes were made, and are being corrected in the present. (It's ... quite the adventure, needless to say.)

What always got me was certain things appearing in the Draco which I'd expect would be in the sidereal, and contrariwise. That wouldn't make sense, given what I've come to know. So am I wrong? Or are the charts -- and the way we read them? I've come to have a strong degree of faith in what I've discovered of my 'history' -- and, instead, came to question the chart methodology.

I feel that our understanding of the Draconic will continue to unfold over time, and our present knowledge of its usage is rather primitive. But one thing seems clear to me.

The Draco isn't the past -- but the future.

Controversial, I know. The way I came to this perspective was by comparing the sidereal, tropical, and Draco against each other. That's how it unfolded -- chronologically. As if I were looking at the Past, Present, and Future.

So, in my view, I believe we can look at our tropical-Draco synastry with this approach; as the relationships which elevate us, showing us the best version of ourselves, and the path to our soul's greatest evolution. The Draco is calculated, not merely from the Nodes, but with the NNODE at 00º Aries. It's calculated from the NNODE. This is NOT our past. This is our future. This is the direction towards which we hope to develop, and the path we may take to get there. Ultimately, those with whom we share Draconic links and tropical-Draco conjunctions, are sharing an important leg of the journey with us, and depending upon what points are in aspect, we're helping each other to evolve and develop these traits, abilities, nature and composition.

If I may be so bold, I'll happily share some of the explorations I've had through my own synastry. Perhaps you'll see why I've come to feel this way so passionately.

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posted May 06, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With me and fishy, when most people see our synastry, it's like ahh yeah attraction, no big thing. This will be a passing fling
The composite however is intense.
There is something "more" deeper to us. We haven't been able to let go in 6 years. The attraction becomes stronger and deeper the more we talk.the attraction never fades.
Even thought at times, both of us have said, it's over. I don't want to do this, we keep finding our way back to each other. It's painful to be apart.
For me I wanted to be hypnotized to forget him, because the pain was so deep, it cut into the core of my whole being.
I've asked him why he can't let go, why keep coming back, he says ii don't know, I can't figure it out, but I just always need you.

Should I compare natal's to DR?
Maybe the answer is there?

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posted May 06, 2015 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay ! I was just thinking I should post my draco-natal synastry sometime this week.

Draco showing the future is an interesting thought. I personally thought it was the chart of the past and the future, but ... let's see.
Will stay tuned for your charts, and in the meantime, here are mine.


My Draco to his Geo


My Geo to his Draco

I'm always inside.

So, the second synastry looks much stronger than the first. Sounds logical, as he's the one with the skipped steps conjunct my nSUN.

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posted May 07, 2015 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:

[b]The Draco isn't the past -- but the future.

.[/B]


Thank you!

FINALLY someone else who understands/ perceives it as I do.
How could it NOT be about the future, or the path into the future actually, if it is calculated with the NORTH Node?
Now, if we are talking about oppositions in the Draconics, that is a very interesting point, as those would be the merging points( conjunctions) in the SOUTH Node Draco chart.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In the great schoolhouse that is the earthly experience...

I feel that our understanding of the Draconic will continue to unfold over time, and our present knowledge of its usage is rather primitive. But one thing seems clear to me.

The Draco isn't the past -- but the future.

Controversial, I know. The way I came to this perspective was by comparing the sidereal, tropical, and Draco against each other. That's how it unfolded -- chronologically. As if I were looking at the Past, Present, and Future.

So, in my view, I believe we can look at our tropical-Draco synastry with this approach; as the relationships which elevate us, showing us the best version of ourselves, and the path to our soul's greatest evolution. The Draco is calculated, not merely from the Nodes, but with the NNODE at 00º Aries. It's calculated from the NNODE. This is NOT our past. This is our future. This is the direction towards which we hope to develop, and the path we may take to get there....


"It's calculated from the NNODE. This is NOT our past. This is our future."


Seems like that should have been obvious.

But I would have never figured that out.


This is more than interesting.

Thanks for posting.


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posted May 07, 2015 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peluches,

how did you make a synastry between Draco and tropical on astro.com?
As far as I know they don´t have this option.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps this option is available for premium members or whatever it's called.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Peluches,

how did you make a synastry between Draco and tropical on astro.com?
As far as I know they don´t have this option.


I'm not Peluches but I think I can help???
Look for "Comparison draco-natal" in the 'type of chart you want' section, it's the last option!

Edit: Oh I didn't see you meant someone else's natal to your draco. Sorry

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posted May 07, 2015 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, the option for your own natal is available. In fact that is where I started my check up, to see what in my chart is being "pulled forwards"

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posted May 07, 2015 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, my illuminated areas certainly are:

1st house
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ASC conjunct Dr CUPIDO: 2°40
LUST conjunct Dr CUPIDO: 2°01
Neptune conjunct Dr CUPIDO: 0°13 9-10 Sag
NN conjunct Dr CUPIDO: 0°26

Draconic planets ending on the tropical North Node itself certianly look extra-significant to me. So here for me Cupido seems to be vital for my path, and something I need to bring out more or develop further.

Dr CUPIDO is also on the same Sabian as Neptune, and the mean North Node:
"10° A STAGE SYMBOLIZATION OF THE "GODDESS OF OPPORTUNITY".

Power of creative significance, as it transforms mere facts into uni­versal symbols. Exteriorization of inner impulses."


Others are

2nd house
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Moon conjunct Dr Uranus 4°05
PSYCHE conjunct Dr Uranus 2°51

Honestly though the first one seems a little wide to me, but Uranus is the dispositor of my Moon, and the midpoint of Moon/Psyche is just 28 minutes of Dr Uranus.
Interestingly this Dr Uranus is conjunct URANIA as well


3rd house
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CERES conjunct Dr ANTEROS 0°20 9-10 Pisces
Jupiter conjunct Dr ANTEROS 1°55

Sabian for Ceres-Anteros
"10° THE AVIATOR SAILS ACROSS THE SKY, MASTER OF HIGH REALMS.

Transcendence of normal problems. Gaining of celestial responsi­bilities. Consummation of the highest ideals. Coronation."

I find it interesting that my skipped step Ceres-Jupiter is pushing the button of my Draconic, and the one being pushed is Anteros.

JUNO conjunct Dr VALENTINE 0°24


4th house
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Chiron conjunct Dr VESTA 1°10


7th house
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DESC conjunct Dr Moon 0°08
SN conjunct Dr Moon 3°14 (albeit a little wide)


So my Draconic axis of CUPIDO (19 Leo in tropical) to Moon (17 Aquarius) overlay my nodal axis as well as my ASC-DESC-axis.

KARMA conjunct Dr PSYCHE 2°08
KARMA conjunct Dr tBML 2°27


8th house
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Vertex conjunct Dr IC 3°21
a bit wide


10th house
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Pluto conjunct Dr KARMA 3°14
MC conjunct Dr KARMA 0°49 5-6 Libra

6° IN A TRANCE, A PILGRIM BEHOLDS HIS IDEALS MADE CONCRETE.

Inevitable confrontation with the concrete results of one's ideals. Lessons to be learned from it. Willingness of heart.


11th
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ANTEROS conjunct Dr PRIAPUS 0°31 19-20 Scorpio

I think I´ve got a thing or two to learn in terms of surrendering to reciprocrate affection.


Sabian
20° WOMAN FLINGS OPEN DARK CURTAINS CLOSING SACRED PATHWAY.

Courage needed to enlarge sphere of being. Readiness to press beyond self. The "woman" within, opening the gates to Spirit.

However some years ago someone explained the imagery of the Sabian of me in different terms, and it surely makes sense in relaton to the asteroids/ objects involved here.

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posted May 07, 2015 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Peluches,

how did you make a synastry between Draco and tropical on astro.com?
As far as I know they don´t have this option.


She didn't. She's pretty snazzy with the Photoshop / Photoshop-esque programmes, though. Hence, the strange orientation of the first two.

At least, that's my guess.

Never underestimate the stamina of the 8º Virgo VENUS when it comes to matters of the heart -- or directed study.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In the great schoolhouse that is the earthly experience, we find our paths cross with many souls along more journeys than we could hope to count. Into each relationship, there's a bit of karma, a lot of learning, and a path to our soul's greatest evolution -- what we call 'destiny'. As a multidimensional astrologer, I've been most fascinated by the interplay of karma and destiny, and how we can find ourselves on that path to our soul's best development -- becoming the greatest version of ourselves.

So let's take a step away from karma for the moment, and look ahead. Way ahead. To destiny.

What is destiny?

For many, it's the feeling of synchronicity; when everything aligns in such a fashion that you'd swear someone must be pulling levers in the background and behind the scenes. Oh, and they are. We are. I'm of the opinion that we are ultimate creators and architects of our destiny. Like students of higher education, we have lessons to learn, goals to achieve, and dreams to realise.

The old soul is more akin to a graduate student, than true ascended master -- though, that isn't to say some don't return for specific purposes. Typically, to right wrongs, mentor certain members of their soul-family to follow in their cosmic footsteps, or teach large groups of individuals in a particular philosophy or experience. You won't find a tenured professor enrolling in even a graduate-level course, but you might find them auditing a few, and engaged in a bit of continuing education. It's a similar concept.

As you've probably heard by now, I'm a twin flame with a heavy karma, multiple confirmed Soulmate relationships and associations with soul-family, with a higher purpose and calling to fulfill. I've got CHIRON as a skipped step, I'm in a relationship with a man who is my skipped step, as we say, and, as a creative professional, I've slowly but surely been literally writing my own bizarre multidimensional karmic history as it's unfolded over the past 15 years. I've studied the Draco, the sidereal, the PE (prenatal eclipses), helio, harmonics, Vertices, Nodes, Huber degrees, the Uranian school (and the 90º dial), TNPs, Personae, Arabic Parts -- I regularly use asteroids -- patterns and configurations, and recently begun pioneering the D60t, or tropical 60th Harmonic for the purpose of karmic exploration. If it's an astrological method or technique, I've probably studied it in some form, even to great depth, in the last 25 years.

Recently, I began toying with the notion that the individual zodiacal systems are to be used in conjunction with each other -- to synthesise -- rather than exist separately for piecemeal interpretation. The truth, and the secret, it seemed, lay in an understanding of chronology as it unfolds cross-system. This is in its infancy -- as are many techniques -- but it resonates with me on a particular level, and I'd like to share it with you now.

You see, I've been rather flummoxed, for a time, in regards to how the sidereal is to be used with respect to the Draco, and vice versa. It would seem I've been given a strange 'cheat sheet' by understanding so much of my more prevalent karmic / multidimensional past in sharp detail. I'm able to [b]verify certain elements in each in regards to what I know of a particular lifeline or experience, and the outstanding karma accrued from it.

I am presently aware of four major lifelines -- many which were concurrent, some that have terminated -- all revolving around similar issues where mistakes were made, and are being corrected in the present. (It's ... quite the adventure, needless to say.)

What always got me was certain things appearing in the Draco which I'd expect would be in the sidereal, and contrariwise. That wouldn't make sense, given what I've come to know. So am I wrong? Or are the charts -- and the way we read them? I've come to have a strong degree of faith in what I've discovered of my 'history' -- and, instead, came to question the chart methodology.

I feel that our understanding of the Draconic will continue to unfold over time, and our present knowledge of its usage is rather primitive. But one thing seems clear to me.

The Draco isn't the past -- but the future.

Controversial, I know. The way I came to this perspective was by comparing the sidereal, tropical, and Draco against each other. That's how it unfolded -- chronologically. As if I were looking at the Past, Present, and Future.

So, in my view, I believe we can look at our tropical-Draco synastry with this approach; as the relationships which elevate us, showing us the best version of ourselves, and the path to our soul's greatest evolution. The Draco is calculated, not merely from the Nodes, but with the NNODE at 00º Aries. It's calculated from the NNODE. This is NOT our past. This is our future. This is the direction towards which we hope to develop, and the path we may take to get there. Ultimately, those with whom we share Draconic links and tropical-Draco conjunctions, are sharing an important leg of the journey with us, and depending upon what points are in aspect, we're helping each other to evolve and develop these traits, abilities, nature and composition.

If I may be so bold, I'll happily share some of the explorations I've had through my own synastry. Perhaps you'll see why I've come to feel this way so passionately.[/B]


Incredible food for thought, Auby. You raise so many provocative points. I'm also a Twin Flame, highly conscious of multiple past lives, and soul connections. New to, and still exploring Draco charts. Trying to understand sign differences between D and N charts. If D actually represents my future, there seems to be a disconnect between present natal experience and future Draco planetary sign influences. In my own case, there's approx 45 degrees separation. So late Leo nASC becomes early Cancer dASC, late Aries nSun becomes early Pisces dSun, mid Leo nStellium becomes Gemini/Cancer dStellium: with VERY different meanings. Similar issue with sidereal vs tropical charts' approx 30 degree disconnect. Zodiac is a circle, divided by 12 (and about 360). Tropical, sidereal, and nonAPNode Draconic zodiacs can't have the same meanings and Celestial Vault influences. How am I to interpret current lifetime astrological influences with a 2000 (or 3000) year old Zodiac?

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posted May 07, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it`s not the future per se, it`s path into the future, in so far it is part of the present and the future at the same time.

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posted May 07, 2015 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
She didn't. She's pretty snazzy with the Photoshop / Photoshop-esque programmes, though. Hence, the strange orientation of the first two.

At least, that's my guess.

Never underestimate the stamina of the 8� Virgo VENUS when it comes to matters of the heart -- or directed study.


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posted May 07, 2015 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Peluches,

how did you make a synastry between Draco and tropical on astro.com?
As far as I know they don�t have this option.


Auby's right.

If you want to make one too, you'll need to work with the pictures of both the draconic synastry (alone) and the geocentric (separate, too). It's simple : the trick is to 'cut out' the inner wheel of one synastry and 'stick it' to the outer of the other. The thing is, in a regular astro.com synastry, the signs and the outer wheel are all centered around the inner person's ASC (always perfectly straight on the left). So, unless your natal North Node is at 0° ARI 00'00", the outer person's geo wheel won't be perfectly aligned with the inner's draco -- it'll be 'programmed' to align with the inner geo chart (where you cut it out from).

For the outer geo/inner draco synastry, what you have to do now is make an extra 'guinea pig chart' on astro.com, where you'll grope about and fill in random birthtimes (whatever the date) until you get the exact position of the inner person's dASC (exact to the minute, that is -- or hundredth of a minute if you have time to waste...). You now have a geo chart for the inner person, but with the draco ASC. Next, make a new synastry with that guinea pig inner chart and the outer geo chart. And, this outer geo wheel, perfectly aligned with the inner dASC you've got, is what you'll be cutting out of the synastry to paste around the inner draco wheel.

Now, for the outer draco/inner geo synastry. This one is a little trickier, as you'll have to create a guinea pig chart (for the inner wheel) which will have your exact nASC, but in draconic. To do this, you'll need to work backwards, i.e. calculate the difference between the inner person's geo and draco placements -- in other words, the North Node's position. Use 0-360 degrees for this, not 0-30 per sign. Next, calculate logically your guinea pig chart's nASC position in order to have the inner's nASC as a dASC. Then, just generate the draco synastry between the guinea pig chart and the outer person ; cut out the outer person's wheel, now aligned with the inner's nASC ; paste it around the geo inner wheel you'd already cut out.

Ta-da !

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Ceri, can you elaborate? Do you mean my dSun in Pisces is a bridge between natal Aries Sun and future lifetime? This reminds me of general precession, and Nodes moving backward through the Zodiac.

Saros (Eclipse) Cycle takes about 18 years, for Nodes to return to same sign. So my 45 degrees difference between nNode and APNode will take about 2 years+4 months. Pre and post natal eclipses do have influence during present lifetime.

In fact, in my book, I've proposed that paranatal eclipse dates have Numerology influences, which I've called Extended Life Path (similar to Birth Path total).

Draconic Signs vary, according to gap between nNode and APNode. So not the same for everyone. While Sidereal are similar, and Tropical Zodiac Signs are the same for everyone currently alive.

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it`s not the future per se, it`s path into the future, in so far it is part of the present and the future at the same time.

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Nice explanation by Ceri here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000590.html

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One of my favorite topics. I agree with Ceri, first I would look at the personal theme; for example, I have a Sun conj Draco Eros theme, among others.

In synastry, I have a very significant tropical/draco synastry, with a major IC/MC theme, namely Venus conj IC DW + Jupiter conj MC DW, between his charts and mine (my dVenus conj his tIC, his dVenus conj my tIC + my dJupiter conj his tMC, his tJupiter conj my dMC). I see this as a continuum from the past into the future.

The Jupiter/MC DW is under 1:

his tMC 27.56 Gem
my dJupiter 27.29 Gem

his tJupiter 1 Pisces
my dMC 2 Pisces

I would probably look at this kind of DWs or mixed DWs to establish the theme; I would also consider angle/nodes involvement as extremely important.

His tNN also conjuncts my dVenus (1) and there is an almost exact quincunx between my tNN and his dVenus, so I would probably consider this a DW as well, part of the theme.

There is also a Juno/MC mixed DW: my dJuno conj his tMC, his dJuno conj my tIC.

How to look at the theme (and thank you, Ceri, for you're the one who made me have a clear picture about this for example with Jupiter/MC: there is a mutual benefactor/role model/mentor/protector theme; one's culmination (MC) is protected/supported by the other's Jupiter, mutually. Since we both have our NN in Sag, this gains extra significance, making it a mutual alignment of nodal axes and midheavens. I'll keep you posted lol

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posted May 08, 2015 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you!

[b]FINALLY someone else who understands/ perceives it as I do.

How could it NOT be about the future, or the path into the future actually, if it is calculated with the NORTH Node?

Now, if we are talking about oppositions in the Draconics, that is a very interesting point, as those would be the merging points( conjunctions) in the SOUTH Node Draco chart. [/B]


Oh, I'm SO glad, Ceri. That was my precise reasoning as well. If it's calculated from the NNODE, how can it not be future-oriented?

I'm also delving a bit into the opposite myself; the 'Ketu' chart, if you will. It's yielding some very strong results in some ways as well. Especially regarding comparison to tropical synastry.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
it`s not the future per se, it`s path into the future, in so far it is part of the present and the future at the same time.

Exactly, Ceri.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
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The Jupiter/MC DW is under 1:

his tMC 27.56 Gem
my dJupiter 27.29 Gem

his tJupiter 1 Pisces
my dMC 2 Pisces



It`s interesting you have that pattern. Cause that is one pattern happening between Mr Sag and me as well, though honestly I hardly count it as it involves quite big orbs. However it IS a DW.

and there is some relation to Ceres, Juno and Alma as well.


my IC 5°02 Aries
my ALMA 6°44 Aries

his CERES 7°02 Aries
his Dr Jupiter 8°46 Aries

Well the orb of his Dr Jupiter to my IC is possibly too wide on its own, but it seems to frame that ALMA-CERES in synastry


his IC 28°18 Gemini
his ALMA 3°16 Cancer

my Dr Jupiter 1°03 Cancer
my Dr CERES 29°27 Gemini

the orb of my Dr Jupiter to his IC is 2°35 (they are also on each other`s solstice point)

Not unbelievably tight, but it struck me as interesting that apparently we both have ALMA near the IC.

Me:
IC 5°02 Aries
ALMA 6°44 Aries (1°42)


Him:
IC 28°18 Gemini
ALMA 3°16 Cancer

I would consider mine as a conjunction, his is out of the orb for a conjunction (but also widely solstice point).
Nevertheless my draco Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction sort of "fills up the space" between his IC and ALMA.

Additionally, my JUNO is quite near, though not quite conjunct my Jupiter.

So

my Dr Jupiter 1°03 Cancer
my Dr JUNO 6°48 Cancer

his ALMA 3°16 Cancer

So his ALMA basically occupies the midpoint of my Dr Jupiter/Juno (3°56 Cancer).


and

my Dr ALMA 26°34 Cancer
my Dr IC 24°52 Cancer

his Dr Sun 25°34 Cancer
his Dr Moon 27°16 Cancer
his DR MC 26°55 Cancer

his JUNO 27°39 Cancer

so basically his Juno conjuncts my Dr Alma
his Alma conjuncts my Dr Jupiter-Juno
my Alma conjuncts his Dr Jupiter

EDIT
btw thank you for your nice words

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posted May 08, 2015 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peluches:
Auby's right.

If you want to make one too, you'll need to work with the pictures of both the draconic synastry (alone) and the geocentric (separate, too). It's simple : the trick is to 'cut out' the inner wheel of one synastry and 'stick it' to the outer of the other. The thing is, in a regular astro.com synastry, the signs and the outer wheel are all centered around the inner person's ASC (always perfectly straight on the left). So, unless your natal North Node is at 0° ARI 00'00", the outer person's geo wheel won't be perfectly aligned with the inner's draco -- it'll be 'programmed' to align with the inner geo chart (where you cut it out from).

For the outer geo/inner draco synastry, what you have to do now is make an extra 'guinea pig chart' on astro.com, where you'll grope about and fill in random birthtimes (whatever the date) until you get the exact position of the inner person's dASC (exact to the minute, that is -- or hundredth of a minute if you have time to waste...). You now have a geo chart for the inner person, but with the draco ASC. Next, make a new synastry with that guinea pig inner chart and the outer geo chart. And, this outer geo wheel, perfectly aligned with the inner dASC you've got, is what you'll be cutting out of the synastry to paste around the inner draco wheel.

Now, for the outer draco/inner geo synastry. This one is a little trickier, as you'll have to create a guinea pig chart (for the inner wheel) which will have your exact nASC, but in draconic. To do this, you'll need to work backwards, i.e. calculate the difference between the inner person's geo and draco placements -- in other words, the North Node's position. Use 0-360 degrees for this, not 0-30 per sign. Next, calculate logically your guinea pig chart's nASC position in order to have the inner's nASC as a dASC. Then, just generate the draco synastry between the guinea pig chart and the outer person ; cut out the outer person's wheel, now aligned with the inner's nASC ; paste it around the geo inner wheel you'd already cut out.

Ta-da !



I don't understand Peluches
In order to generate a synastry in astro.com, you need to have two charts. So I need to have a chart with Sun at 6 Cap (my Draco Sun), the same ASC, but also NN at 0 Aries and the rest of the placements. How do I find the date for this chart? Can you explain step by step? (it doesn't matter which chart is inner or outer, what matters is to be able to create the Draco chart as an event/person chart, how did you do that?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:

I'm also delving a bit into the opposite myself; the 'Ketu' chart, if you will. It's yielding some very strong results in some ways as well. Especially regarding comparison to tropical synastry.

Oh yes definitely.

It is most fascinating to see when tropical oppositions are being "hit"

For example in the SOUTH Node Chart, my tropical Pluto conjuncts his Draco AMOR (and Dr Mars-Jupiter as well), while in the NORTH Node chart my tropical Pltuo conjunct his Draco EROS.

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posted May 08, 2015 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s interesting you have that pattern. Cause that is one pattern happening between Mr Sag and me as well, though honestly I hardly count it as it involves quite big orbs. However it IS a DW.

and there is some relation to Ceres, Juno and Alma as well.


my IC 5°02 Aries
my ALMA 6°44 Aries

his CERES 7°02 Aries
his Dr Jupiter 8°46 Aries

Well the orb of his Dr Jupiter to my IC is possibly too wide on its own, but it seems to frame that ALMA-CERES in synastry


his IC 28°18 Gemini
his ALMA 3°16 Cancer

my Dr Jupiter 1°03 Cancer
my Dr CERES 29°27 Gemini

the orb of my Dr Jupiter to his IC is 2°35 (they are also on each other`s solstice point)

Not unbelievably tight, but it struck me as interesting that apparently we both have ALMA near the IC.

Me:
IC 5°02 Aries
ALMA 6°44 Aries (1°42)


Him:
IC 28°18 Gemini
ALMA 3°16 Cancer

I would consider mine as a conjunction, his is out of the orb for a conjunction (but also widely solstice point).
Nevertheless my draco Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction sort of "fills up the space" between his IC and ALMA.

Additionally, my JUNO is quite near, though not quite conjunct my Jupiter.

So

my Dr Jupiter 1°03 Cancer
my Dr JUNO 6°48 Cancer

his ALMA 3°16 Cancer

So his ALMA basically occupies the midpoint of my Dr Jupiter/Juno (3°56 Cancer).


and

my Dr ALMA 26°34 Cancer
my Dr IC 24°52 Cancer

his Dr Sun 25°34 Cancer
his Dr Moon 27°16 Cancer
his DR MC 26°55 Cancer

his JUNO 27°39 Cancer

so basically his Juno conjuncts my Dr Alma
his Alma conjuncts my Dr Jupiter-Juno
my Alma conjuncts his Dr Jupiter

EDIT
btw thank you for your nice words


You're welcome, Ceri Personally, I would look at wider orbs as well, especially if it's a DW or something involving luminaries or angles; a dSun conj tASC 5-6 degrees is definitely symbolic, perhaps even the same sign can be symbolic, it can't be random.

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posted May 08, 2015 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maybe not random, but if it were ultra-significant, it would be closer to exact, so it can get activated simultaneously. If it is wider orbed, there is a reason for it, maybe a larger pattern at play or midpoints.

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