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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 21, 2015 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After about seven years of a very complicated relationship (too nice and good for us to leave alone but never seems to make it off the ground) with the father of my child, I finally overcame my fear of coming across something horrible in our synastry chart and came up with this.

I thought that I half-remembered his TOB and it came up as Scorpio rising, which seemed right because the whole relationship has been quite Plutonic (Rebirth! Sex! Intensity!).

When I saw it I thought something along the lines of "Oh well, that unaspected moon make sense". It didn't look good but it perhaps explained it in terms of my being unable to really access his emotional side.

I posted it on here a couple of days ago, but (a few cups of tea with his mum later) I've since found out that I got his tob completely wrong, by about eighteen hours! So here's the new synastry chart.

and the aspects

Now it doesn't make any sense again! His moon looks happier but totally not sure about those house overlays.

Could anyone help, please?

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 21, 2015 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By 'help' I should clarify.

I still have to deal with him and the whole relationship has always (and still does!) muddled me. Difficult to move on from, partly because it just is but also partly because it seems to contain a lot of contradictory elements.

If anyone could shed some light on anything that seems a bit odd then I'd be dead grateful Otherwise I guess I can just put it down to some truly manky cardinal transits

(Edited to add... he's on the inside (blue) and along the top of the table)

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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 29, 2015 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so he's inside? Virgo ASC?

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 31, 2015 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep - Virgo Asc, I'm the Cancer Sun, Leo Asc

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 31, 2015 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far, with my limited understanding, I've got some quite nice supportive aspects but less-than-great house overlays. His 7H ruler looks stressed and I'm not really accessing his 1st house at all (which might explain why I got it wrong! Apparently I'M the great Plutonian in this relationship...)

Also hardly any conjunctions whatsoever. Turns out my Amor is conjunct his NN (within a degree), which seems like it would be a good thing but I don't really know.

It's quite a nice situation, in that we're both very fond of each other and make it work, whatever's going on and even when it shouldn't. But not at all straightforward or resolved.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 31, 2015 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, this relationships is a goldmine just by considering this:
Sun/Moon DW
Sun/Sun coupled with Moon/Moon
Venus/Mars DW

I rarely see something like this not to work

I would check all your DWs; they will show you the general vibe of the relationship, but it's already very promising.

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 31, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! I can feel a bit better about thinking that he's lovely, then. Thankyou so much for taking the time to have a look and reply.

The Sun-Moon aspects are ridiculously tight, they're something like 00.00'45" and 00.10'.

I'll have to go back and have a look (I did that thing where you send yourself cross-eyed looking at it and then say "Enough!" and leave it alone for a while), but I do know that that there's a dw with Juno-Jupiter and Venus-Pluto (although one of those is on a wider orb).

This is a newbie-type question, but do DWs count when they're different sorts of aspect? For example, I was discounting his Venus > my Mars because it was an inconjunct.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 31, 2015 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, it doesn't have to be the same aspect and you can also include a major and a minor (quintile, biquintile, quindecile, septile, novile, semisextile, semisquare and sesquisquare)

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted May 31, 2015 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooo - this'll be interesting then, although I'm not sure that my mental arithmetic stands up to the likes of the quindecile and the novile! I'll have to start writing things down.

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted June 01, 2015 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still can't work out quindeciles and septiles without my brain and/or calculator exploding, but I've got the following DWs:

Orb of 0-1*, Sun-Moon, Moon-Vesta, Mars-Vesta.

Orb of 1-2*, Sun-Mars, Sun-Uranus, Moon-Venus, Moon-BML, Uranus-Vesta and Uranus-BML.

Orb of 2-3*, Venus-Mars, Jupiter-MC, Jupiter-Juno.

Orb of 3-5*, Venus-MC, Mars-BML, Saturn-NN, Mars-Jupiter and Jupiter-Saturn (although not incredibly surprising as my J and S are conj).

I'm working on the assumption that a combination of the closest orbs, the most personal planets and the major aspects are the most influential... also off to look up Black Moon Lilith and in particular Vesta, as I've read a lot of fairly contradictory things about her.

Mostly I'm posting this so that people can let me know if they see that I'm getting something horribly wrong (keen to learn, but there's only so much you can teach yourself off the internet!)

I also wonder, though, if anyone can see what DOESN'T work in this chart? We get on well, are attracted to each other and have some pretty viable incentives for being together, but we can't seem to make it work in an 'official' capacity (mostly, I have to say, because I seem to 'feel it more' although having said that, he Won't Leave Me Alone either). Does anyone have any insight?

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