posted May 22, 2015 06:59 AM            

It is nobody's fault, especially not the fault of the hero child who had to endure this; it's in the nature of these things to bring so much pain. Hopefully together, with the contribution each one of us is able to bring, we can contribute to this pain being healed and to such things never happening again to other children.

posted May 22, 2015 11:38 AM            

You guys displayed admirable bravery and strength. You did survive and look what you have become.

posted May 22, 2015 01:55 PM            

I think a person needs to talk and talk and talk.

Many people get really angry and I understand that.

However, it is like a purging and I had to do this, speaking for myself.

I will never not honor and never forget the wonderful people here who loved me through it, such as Randall, Lalalinda and IQ, and others.

I really started my journey here.

Now, I can see how abuse has a purpose in my life

I understand the people who come to me for chart readings.

Many were abused.

Many come to me because they know I will understand.

I never wanted abuse. I can't say it was "worth it"

I can say that God uses it and I am proud of my progress.

My chart shows everything. I think a chart can show abuse and does.

The fact that the chart shows our lives provides a peace to me.

I try to impart this to others.

Abuse victims blame themselves.

They had to do this in order to survive.

We all blame ourselves.

The chart shows otherwise. It was not our faults.

Only God knows why and God is love

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posted May 25, 2015 11:52 PM            

Thank you for acknowledging that many of us that responded in that thread did so out of a genuine desire to help, not hurt, but I feel like the emotions involved distorted the message. I took it very personal(maybe too much so)that Voix felt that I was trying to manipulate her. That was not my intention, and my responses were motivated only by the desire to help a victim of abuse. I think that's what everyone who responded was trying to do, although everyone communicates in a different way. I'm afraid that some of the messages were lost in the words here.

Thank you again for taking the time to offer your support. It honestly means the world to me, because I felt very misunderstood.

posted May 26, 2015 08:03 AM            

Bluejay, thank you so much for your words!

I found your concise and cohesive description of the methods a child molester uses quite brilliant: the molester's enslavement to their sexual impulses and the lack of superego, the cold, deliberate and gradual manipulation of the child to believe they love them, they are obsessed with them, they change their sexual "orientation" because the child is so alluring and seductive, that it's a "special situation", the cold and deliberate attempt to discuss adult issues and mimic friendship and kinship, all these classical ruthless methods these predators use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming

I know how much you suffered, firstly because of seeing something like this happening to a child, and secondly because of the emotional pain of victims and readers that distorts the message of help in such situations, some people view "face the facts" advocates wrongly insensitive; I know how you felt because I know how many nights I couldn't sleep myself and how many times I read the thread wondering how I could have said things better for everyone involved. Your presence was, among few others, a great support to me.

A good friend of mine said something brilliant: these were both two ways of approaching pain and healing: the Neptunian way to deal with trauma, attempting to see things in a beautiful light, to view the situation with empathy and fantasy, in order to make the pain and the memories bearable; and the other is a Plutonian way, to face the cold harsh truth and surgically remove this part of one's life. They are both valid paths to healing and I tend to believe both ways eventually lead to the truth, for the truth has its own way of revealing itself and healing.

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posted May 30, 2015 03:17 PM            

My apologies for the delay. I've been under the weather, but starting to feel the ol' brain working again.

posted May 30, 2015 05:47 PM            

It doesn't seem fair that others can continue to express their views on that thread, when it has been closed due to the damage caused.

I, for one, would like to close the door on this now.

posted May 31, 2015 01:12 AM            

All I was trying to say was, lets show some love and respect to people who are strong enough to extend their support against child abuse.
I know child abuse is a very sensitive topic. But it doesnt mean every time this topic comes up, we should crawl under the bed. Problem is child abusers also know this to be a very sensitive topic. And they are using it to their advantage. I believe in whatdotheycallit righteous anger?
Few years ago, a baby girl (little more than a year old)was raped and, she was torn to pieces. This happened near my aunt's place. Makes our blood boil right? If we, who escaped alive from child abuse cant stand against it who is going to do it? What about the children who are facing abuse right now? Do they have a safe place to hide? The more we call this a sensitive topic (yes this brings up so many evil memories) and hide away from it, we are letting those children down. If anything we need to stand against it. Stronger.
When I was ten yrs old, my mom almost caught my abuser manipulating me. I told him Im gonna tell her. She refused to listen to me about it and slapped me hard. Right in front of him. Eventually, things got worse for me. I believe had my mom listened to me n kept an eye on things, instead of refusing to believe evil could be in our own home, I could have had a normal/happy childhood. This is the main reason why I created this topic. Had my mom been like a Leeloo, she would have kicked his arse.

@ Voix, I'm sorry u went through all that. Again, this topic was not created to offend you. But this topic is not about you. I mean this topic is not about one person.

@ Mods, If you must close this thread. Go ahead. Like everybody said, this is a sensitive topic -Traumatic experiences.But,If you do close this thread, I would feel you are pulling a brick down from the wall people are trying to build against child abuse.

posted May 31, 2015 03:16 AM            

I was abused as well (but not really sexual...a bit complicated) and whenever I reached out for help, everyone would either tell me that they can't believe that parents are that bad or that it must be my fault. No parents would act that bad without reason. This is what I had to listen at.

And do you know what? Those idiots kept me alive. I was like "i am a child, I am threaten like dirt and it'supposed to be my fault?! You are idiots, it's not me"

Yes, we need to send out a message to all abused children, that it's never their fault, that nooone on earth has the right to hurt them and that they shall never ever listen to blind and deaf parents, teachers, neighbours and friends. They are part of the abuse. Never ever listen to them. Never.

posted May 31, 2015 04:40 AM            

Sure, send a message about child abuse.

But referencing a thread that got closed, and continuning to validate 50% of the reason it got closed, is antagonistic to the other party.

The child abuse thread got closed because it was no longer about child abuse. It was about LeeLoo holding onto a self-created misrepresentation of my OP, like a dog with a bone. And I was running myself ragged trying to explain the TRUTH.

It is NOT a "loving act" or "coming from a good place", to sensationally twist someone's words, and effectively state that they support the very thing that destroyed their childhood.

When someone has so vehemently defended a position, and they are repeatedly shown they are mistaken, they must then swallow their pride and admit they read and interpreted wrongly - THAT would have been a loving act.

ALL those responses would have been a loving act IF the assertions I was accused of, were ACTUALLY TRUE.

Basically, Geminigal, if you do not want a response from me, do not reference my thread for the purposes of validating the misinterpretation and misrepresentation that hurt me and derailed the thread.

I had the decency to contact all members who supported me, by EMAIL. Out of respect for Randall's decision to close the thread.

posted May 31, 2015 05:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Voix-de-la-mer, why can't you just go ahead? Why are you so dogged?

Noone said that you accept child abuse. For god's sake noone would do that.

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Enneline,

may I suggest you read the thread, and the disclaimers that have been made in the aftermath.

I quote LeeLoo (on Aurora's thread, just below this one):

"It was a decision made by 3 moderators of this forum not to discuss a child abuse synastry between a 4 year old girl and an adult male as long as the OP does not perceive this as 100% wrong.
So here we see the misrepresentation that I do not believe child abuse is wrong.

Consequently, the thread was moved to Sweat Peas for the OP to discuss child abuse.
Another misrepresentation. I wanted to discuss the ASTROLOGY of the child abuse, not child abuse as an event.

It was a very tough decision because the last thing you want to do with a victim is to victimize or marginalize them even more. That had already taken place when I was told I had Stockholm Syndrome, by one completely UNQUALIFIED to make this diagnosis, because I wasn't not acting like a stereotypical "victim".

But it is completely unethical to encourage someone to believe there can be a silver lining in their torture and abuse. Oh look, another suggestion that I believe abuse isn't wrong

It is also unethical and dangerous to suggest that on a public forum, unethical towards children, parents, potential victims, other victims and potential rapists and abusers, and everyone else out there.

If you or anyone else have a problem with this decision, please open a thread in Sweat Peas or Lindaland Central and discuss it. I won't accept to be harassed for my decision by people condoning violence.
----And THAT, I believe is the kicker, RIGHT THERE. I condone violence now!

This Enneline, is just a summary of the tirade I was put through on that thread.

posted May 31, 2015 05:23 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
^^

Actually, they did, one even said she had Stockholm Syndrome as well as justifying her father and implying she was encouraging other child abusers to abuse (as if they wouldn't save that Voix said what she did--sorry, what Voix was said to have said). And there are red flags here that suggest there are ulterior motives to creating this thread. However, a more general thread that didn't name people and refer to a locked thread more than once would've been different (and lacked the red flags that this one has).

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PixieJane, you are a moderator of another forum on LL. If you have a problem of how 3 moderators of this forum....or maybe just with me-handled this issue, please address yourself to the webmaster.

Not interfering with the decision of other moderators is common sense, minimal manners and knowledge of how public forums work. When was the last time a moderator of this forum interfered with your decisions with a comment such as "Ignore PixieJane?"

Have respect for this forum and other moderators and the OP.

posted May 31, 2015 05:24 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
^^

Actually, they did, one even said she had Stockholm Syndrome justifying her father and implying she was encouraging other child abusers to abuse (as if they wouldn't abuse save that Voix said what she did--sorry, what Voix was said to have said). And there are red flags here that suggest there are ulterior motives to creating this thread. However, a more general thread that didn't name people and refer to a locked thread more than once would've been different (and lacked the red flags that this one has).

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posted May 31, 2015 05:25 AM            

the 3 of us have totally different perceptions. Obviously.

They said that you are a victim, voix, still a victim and I think that is what makes you mad, what makes you like fainting.

You thought you besieged your abuser and they said you still have wounds left and that is what makes you mad I think.

I once did react the same way. I thought I left my childhood behind me and then someone told me I didn't. I was furious. I was having a really really hard and tough time to accept that. That's why I can understand you, voix.

Voix, you and I have been abused. We are in the same boat.
I would never ever tell you that anything is your fault, I would never ever claim that you support abuse.

It is just wrong to say on a public forum that an abuser did love his victim. Maybe he did but this should not be written on here. What if an abused child reads it? Maybe the child would accept the abuse since the child thinks all happens due to love.
That is the point.

posted May 31, 2015 05:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
PixieJane, you are a moderator of another forum on LL. If you have a problem of how 3 moderators of this forum....or maybe just with me-handled this issue, please address yourself to the webmaster.

Not interfering with the decision of other moderators is common sense, minimal manners and knowledge of how public forums work. When was the last time a moderator of this forum interfered with your decisions with a comment such as "Ignore PixieJane?"

Have respect for this forum and other moderators.

Suggesting that GG had ulterior motives for expressing her opinion and giving thanks to whomever she considers fit is sick. Take your poison elsewhere and stop harassing.

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Harrassing? Projecting much?

You HARRASSED me with your wacked-out viewpoint of me throughout my thread.

AND you continue to do it here.

AND you hijacked Aurora's thread posting the same misplaced opinion.

LeeLoo, you are creating issues, where there are NONE.

posted May 31, 2015 05:29 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Voix & Pixie,

the 3 of us have totally different perceptions. Obviously.

They said that you are a victim, voix, still a victim and I think that is what makes you mad, what makes you like fainting.

You thought you besieged your abuser and they said you still have wounds left and that is what makes you mad I think.

I once did react the same way. I thought I left my childhood behind me and then someone told me I didn't. I was furious. I was having a really really hard and tough time to accept that. That's why I can understand you, voix.

Voix, you and I have been abused. We are in the same boat.
I would never ever tell you that anything is your fault, I would never ever claim that you support abuse.

It is just wrong to say on a public forum that an abuser did love his victim. Maybe he did but this should not be written on here. What if an abused child reads it? Maybe the child would accept the abuse since the child thinks all happens due to love.
That is the point.

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Enneline.

I have done quite enough explaining. Can you not be bothered to read?

You have jumped on the wagon of others, rather than READ my explanations - they are all there on the thread.

For the record: I did not say "he loved me".

posted May 31, 2015 05:31 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Enneline:
WTF?!

Having a Stockholm Syndrome and accepting child abuse are 2 different things!

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Forgive me.

WHO actually HAS Stockholm Syndrome?

Perhaps you should direct your response to LeeLoo. It is she who has created all this confusion.