posted May 31, 2015 07:53 PM            

There are many things I've encountered in that time; none have been quite as staggering as the ultimate course of the Chirotic relationship. These can be relationships of any kind -- friendships, romantic relationships, even business associations. But they all have one thing in common -- CHIRON -- and, sadly, they tend to end the same way as well: suddenly, dramatically, and explosively.

I don't, however, consider myself fatalistic. I believe that people can -- and do -- change. I even help them to do so all of the time as a therapist. I'd like to think that, should it prove that Chirotic relationships really DO come so dramatically apart at the seams as a 'general rule', that we can use this foreknowledge to prepare and resolve these underlying issues before they blow our relationships apart.

But first, let's define it.

WHAT IS A 'CHIROTIC RELATIONSHIP'?

In my experimental data set, I discovered one overwhelming detail:

1. All synastries had at least one conjunction between the other's CHIRON with a personal point.

In most cases, these were lights. Some had MERCURY, VENUS, and MARS. It was less common for the outers (JUPITER to PLUTO) to be involved, and these are attributed more to generational influences, and not as considered. In some cases, asteroids often used in relationship synastries -- VALENTINE, AMOR, JUNO, CERES, EROS and PSYCHE -- appeared.

2. The orb proximity was in direct proportion to the speed with which the individuals bonded and separated. A very close orb (0º-2º) resulted in near instantaneous relationship and a dramatic separation in a short duration of time. A wider orb (2º30-6º00) was a slower effect. The bonding was still faster than the average with a much greater loyalty and depth of emotional commitment than the average (for its age and culture) as well. The relationship, however, split apart with the same suddenness and dramatic intensity over a very short duration.

posted May 31, 2015 09:07 PM            

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 09:16 PM            

I had noticed that you've, independently, noticed the same sort of strange instantaneous bonding with an unfortunate, sudden, explosive ending.

It seems there must be a way to better understand them before the 'gun goes off', so to speak.

posted May 31, 2015 09:17 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ami,

I had noticed that you've, independently, noticed the same sort of strange instantaneous bonding with an unfortunate, sudden, explosive ending.

It seems there must be a way to better understand them before the 'gun goes off', so to speak.

I can't help but think -- better communication, a greater empathy, more general understanding on a deeper level. Maybe to be more realistic; not get so caught up so quickly to where we get 'swept away'.

---

Imo, it can't be helped. I have had sooooo many clients come to me with synastries like this. I have never seen one that did not end this way.

Actually, I have seen Chiron conj the NN stay together but the relationship theme was pain.

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 09:20 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Imo, it can't be helped. I have had sooooo many clients come to me with synastries like this. I have never seen one that did not end this way.

Actually, I have seen Chiron conj the NN stay together but the relationship theme was pain.

---

Ahh, that's interesting. Yes, I've noticed that there's a definite healing theme when it's either conjunct or parallel.

Did the relationships in your synastries stay apart permanently, or resume later?

posted May 31, 2015 09:55 PM            

There is healing, for sure, but the longevity is what is not there ime

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 10:40 PM            

Brad Pitt and Angelina have a very prominent Chiron in their synastry - her Chiron squares his Moon/Venus conj, his Chiron squares her Sun

Camila and Prince Charles - her Chiron opposes his Moon and there is a double whammy Chiron- Node conjunction

Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart - her Chiron squares his Venus, his Chron squares her Sun

Jonny Cash and June Cash - his Chiron conjuncts her Node

David Beckham and Victoria - Chiron conjuncts Sun

Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton - her Chiron opposes his Sun and Saturn

my sister and her husband of 26 years - her Chiron squares his Venus

posted May 31, 2015 10:50 PM            

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 10:53 PM            

We are stuck with our family members, basically. However, the Chiron relationships still have a lot of push/pull and pain but family members don't, often, just break apart forever.

My articles are for current friendships and relationships, not family members, which is kind of a different thing.

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 10:55 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Orange:
Please, check Uranus for the disruptive factor. Chiron is not separative in its nature but rather binding. Sudden ending of a relationship is not Chiron's doing.
Almost every important relationship has Chiron aspects, it figures prominently in synastries of long lasting relationships.

Brad Pitt and Angelina have a very prominent Chiron in their synastry - her Chiron squares his Moon/Venus conj, his Chiron squares her Sun

Camila and Prince Charles - her Chiron opposes his Moon and there is a double whammy Chiron- Node conjunction

Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart - her Chiron squares his Venus, his Chron squares her Sun

Jonny Cash and June Cash - his Chiron conjuncts her Node

David Beckham and Victoria - Chiron conjuncts Sun

Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton - her Chiron opposes his Sun and Saturn

my sister and her husband of 26 years - her Chiron squares his Venus

all of the aforementioned aspects in the examples are within a 3 degree orb

---

When I see this list, I would look for other super bonding aspects.

If I call something a Chiron relationship, Chiron is PROMINENT.

For example, if a couple had Moon trine Moon and Chiron aspects, I would not call it a Chiron relationship.

Chiron has to be a strong focal point, stronger than compensating bonding factors.

I weigh all this to determine what I call a Chiron relationship.

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted May 31, 2015 11:01 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
When I see this list, I would look for other super bonding aspects.

If I call something a Chiron relationship, Chiron is PROMINENT.

For example, if a couple had Moon trine Moon and Chiron aspects, I would not call it a Chiron relationship.

Chiron has to be a strong focal point, stronger than compensating bonding factors.

I weigh all this to determine what I call a Chiron relationship.

---

posted May 31, 2015 11:19 PM            

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted June 01, 2015 01:08 AM            

His Chiron conjunct my Mercury 1°

posted June 01, 2015 02:11 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
When I see this list, I would look for other super bonding aspects.

If I call something a Chiron relationship, Chiron is PROMINENT.

For example, if a couple had Moon trine Moon and Chiron aspects, I would not call it a Chiron relationship.

Chiron has to be a strong focal point, stronger than compensating bonding factors.

I weigh all this to determine what I call a Chiron relationship.

---

Well i certainly hope so Ami. I'm kinda freaked out after reading this.

We have:
My chiron conj his merc 0*
My chiron conj his venus 9*
My chiron conj his ASC 4*
My chiron semisq his mars 1*
My chiron inconj his lilith 0*
My chiron conj his lust 0* - there must be a sexual theme here maybe ??
My chiron opp his pluto 6*
His chiron conj my jupiter 9*
His chiron square my NN 0*
His chiron sesqui my ASC
His chiron parallel my lilith
His chiron parallel my destinn and persephone under 1*

will this be the death of me? ergh chiron

We also have some binding contacts like sat on IC with a stellium of moon/moon/juno conj but on his SN...not to mention others with NN, VX and pluto conjunctions/parallels/contraparallels to the luminaries.

posted June 01, 2015 08:36 AM            

You have to keep in mind that I spend a week on each natal.

My system of doing charts arose from my loving to look at every part of the chart with over 300 asteroids.

So, my "defining" a Chiron relationship is not based on a quick glance at the chart.

I have to look at everything. At the end, I make a summary.

It is not fair for me to glance at chart on here and "pronounce" it a Chiron relationships.

Also, I use my intuition based on studying that chart for a week.

I do have single question charts in which I could answer one question such as "Is this a Chiron relationship?" but I have no time limit as to what I spend on those.

I have no time limit, as to what I spend on anything.

The charts lead ME, not the other way around.

The charts tell me their story. I am the vessel who relates that to the client.

I know the "language" of Astrology but beyond that, I am guided by a Higher Hand.

I will write an article, though, so you can use it to look at your own charts!

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted June 01, 2015 01:16 PM            

In my experience, it's level of maturity. One is deeply emotional and unstable, which ends up breaking the bonds of the relationship suddenly. Then it seems as if neither can 'return' to it, and don't even try.

posted June 01, 2015 01:24 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
What about Chiron touching angles? DC and IC.

---

posted June 01, 2015 01:28 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
What about Chiron touching angles? DC and IC.

---

Ah! Thanks for bringing these up! Was gonna ask the same..