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Aquacheeka
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posted June 01, 2015 06:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would this manifest in relationships? The two energies are seemingly diametrically opposed so how would the individual reconcile the need to be close, to possess, with the need for space?

Anyone know of any examples?

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FireandSpiritandDew
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posted June 01, 2015 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am I right in thinking that they both rule Aquarius - maybe Aquarians would embody both to some extent?

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posted June 01, 2015 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no, Uranus rules Aquarius and Scorpio rules pluto and co-rules mars.
This is something i have always struggled to find the balance with. I guess it's always a push/pull dance that eventually - if worked on - can lead to a beautiful symmetry of freedom both within and without the closeness if that makes sense. But i think finding it within the closeness would be ideal.

I have this myself natally. Uranus conjuncts my ASC which is scorpio rising. This issue is something i have been working on for a little while so I can relate. I'm hoping someone will come along for me that 'gets' this.

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posted June 01, 2015 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, got that wrong, before Uranus was discovered it was Saturn.

I was thinking about this combination with house placements recently - my 5th cusp is in Scorpio and my 7th and 8th are in Aquarius, which I thought might explain why I'm drawn to intense ad unpredictable people (which is always fun..!).

I wouldn't have thought that they embodied mutually exclusive qualities, though. I'd see someone who harmonised the two energies as someone who chooses quality over quantity in terms of time spent together in a relationship and who is able to fully appreciate the company of another because they choose rather than need to.

Like, they don't need your attention all the time, but when they have it they want it to be absolutely undivided. Does that sound right?

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posted June 01, 2015 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireandSpiritandDew:
Like, they don't need your attention all the time, but when they have it they want it to be absolutely undivided. Does that sound right?

Yep, that pretty much says it right there. I would also add change and transformation. Uranus basically abhors routinization and Pluto abhors superficiality, but they're both future oriented planets, so the individual must feel that they are not 'tied' down too much and can change ways of acting, being, etc, and at the same time evolving, growing or developing into more than they were before.

Definitely a tough combo to match... might be why I'm still single. ;/

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posted June 01, 2015 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
How would this manifest in relationships? The two energies are seemingly diametrically opposed so how would the individual reconcile the need to be close, to possess, with the need for space?

Anyone know of any examples?


I always see that like this,>
" Honey I love you but our relationship cannot interfere with my personal evolution"

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posted June 01, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireandSpiritandDew:

I was thinking about this combination with house placements recently - my 5th cusp is in Scorpio and my 7th and 8th are in Aquarius, which I thought might explain why I'm drawn to intense ad unpredictable people (which is always fun..!).


These are where my house placements are too! I generally gravitate towards deep and passionate people (Scorpio/5th) with unique and quirky (Aquarius 7th and 8th) personalities

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posted June 01, 2015 08:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I am an Aqua stellium with an 8th house moon trine Pluto, I guess in trying to understand others who are like this, I figure it can help me to understand myself.

It especially weighs on my mind now that I am dating a Scorpio with Venus sextile Uranus at 0 degrees. I am curious how this can manifest in him. I know for myself I crave closeness and intimacy, in fact I yearn for it, and I can be pretty obsessive when it comes to my romantic partner, but I can never be truly possessed. I will never completely compromise or sacrifice my lifestyle nor my ideals for anyone, no matter how much I love them. The "Sandy" changing ending of Grease? Yeah, that would never happen with me. No matter how deeply or passionately or loyally I may love someone, I know that if it came right down to it, if it was a huge sacrifice like having to move away to another country and leave all my friends and everything I know behind, or he asked me to have children (which I don't want), I would have to let him go, and it pains my heart to even consider that. I may one day in the distant, distant future be willing to move across a great distance, but it would absolutely have to be on my own terms. That's the way I am as a Uranian. I am hoping with his own Uranian-flavoured Venus, that he will be able to understand my deep, deep need for self-possession and freedom above all things (including money). I guess we will have to see. All the Scorpios I have ever met have had a deep and abiding urge to reproduce. In fact, I think that is what they were put on this earth to do. I have yet to ever encounter a childfree Scorpio person.

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posted June 01, 2015 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Scorpio stellium (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto).

I have a Scorpio descendant (Taurus Ascendant).
Scorpio rules my 7th house.

Sun, Mercury, Pluto all opposite Ascendant.

Mars conjunct Pluto.

Sun conjunct Pluto

Also, my mercury in Scorpio is retrograde so a double doze of intensity there...

But here's the catch..


I have my Moon in Libra, 5th house square Uranus in my 8th house ruled by Sagittarius.

Uranus is also sextile my Sun and trine my Ascendant.

This is something I've been struggling with my whole life.

I blame my mars in Sagittarius on the 7th house cusp conjunct my North Node.

Anywho, I always attract the unavailable types who always run for the hills when I release my intensity.

It's so draining and frustrating because I crave that emotional closeness but not really? I'm just as confused as you. Haha

Seriously.

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posted June 02, 2015 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Complicated. Paradoxical. Pretty much as you'd expect.

SUN conjunct PLUTO in Libra (2H)
MOON conjunct URANUS in Scorpio (3H)

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posted June 02, 2015 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireandSpiritandDew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

The "Sandy" changing ending of Grease? Yeah, that would never happen with me.

IF it's any consolation, I'm pretty positive that it would never happen with me, either, and jolly good thing too! I loathe the ending of Grease.

I was interested in the comment about Uranian and Plutonian energy being forward-looking - that fits with a lot of what you've just said.

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posted June 02, 2015 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 02, 2015 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquacheeka, have you discussed the childfree thing with your boyfriend? Does he have any Cancer planets/ASC or IC/Node?

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posted June 02, 2015 09:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
My relationship is strongly influenced by these two energies - he's a Scorp Sun, Venus and Uranus (all in the 4th House of core identity), and has Pluto conj. True Node (orb 1); his Scorp Venus is conj. Uranus (orb 3) and he's got an Aqua Moon tightly square the Scorpio Sun (0'22). Myself, I'm a Scorp AC with 8th H Sun, Merc & Saturn; my Pluto is sq. Sun (2'38) and opp. Moon. My Uranus is sext. Venus (4'31) and opp. Mars (1'58). In synastry, his Venus/Uranus conjunction is tightly trine my 8th H Sun.

The Pluto-Uranus theme even extends to my daughter from a previous marriage: She has Pluto sq. Sun, Venus & Merc and her Aqua Moon is conj. Uranus. My SO and her get along great, they totally adore each other. But he doesn't want children of his own.

How does Pluto/Uranus manifest in our relationship? Well, the energies kinda came through in several separate waves. We first had this (Plutonian) phase of needing total closeness to the point of merging - an intense bonding phase that left no psychological stone unturned - brutal honesty, very raw emotionality, intense getting to know each other almost inside-out including sexually which showed us both surprising sides of ourselves previously unknown. I literally has no idea what I was capable of doing before, in many different aras of life. Then, we both felt a need to reaffirm one's individuality after a while. It was so scary to feel anothers power over oneself and the Uranian urge is to rebel against it. This led to a phase of friction and conflict which was raw, sometimes painful, but strangely, honest and loving at the same time. It seemed almost cathartic, as if layers upon layers of past trauma (past injuries and insecurities mainly, but also bad character traits one doesn't like to face) were coming to the surface and then, released. Now, we've sort of seem to have arrived at a very peaceful state where each gives the other total, unquestioning support when needed, but only then; and each gives the other space when needed (but we talk about it openly, as in: "I need to think something through, don't worry if I don't communicate much the next few days" - and the other will say, "Sure, good luck."). Other than that, we travel a lot and learn a lot together, always keep each other updated about interesting things we see or read. We also both have a long-term project going that could become each other's major life work, and these have overlapping areas where we work together.



Vajra, thank you for sharing. I see a lot of ourselves in your comment. My SO and I are currently still in the "intense bonding" phase and I must admit that in the very beginning it was what most people consider to be overwhelming or obsessive, in terms of really needing to know each other and everything about one another. We shared some deep childhood wounds with one another and were very vulnerable in a way I have not experienced with a partner in the past. Initially I attributed it to our close moon-moon sextile, but now I see how our behaviour was very Plutonic (he knew where I was at all times, for instance, within a week of our first meeting). I can see ourselves eventually embracing a more Uranian dynamic, especially given how much we both value time with our respective friends and the fact that we also have a moon-Uranus hard aspect in our synastry. It did bring me some comfort to know that your Plutonian/Uranian partner is childfree - that's the first I've heard of a Scorp being that way.

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posted June 02, 2015 09:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Aquacheeka, have you discussed the childfree thing with your boyfriend? Does he have any Cancer planets/ASC or IC/Node?


He doesn't have any Cancer placements (his ascendant is actually Sagittarius). I have told him of my need to remain childfree and he was content with that for now since he doesn't see himself having children anytime soon due to financial constraints among other things. His twin sister is also currently pregnant and I think he wants to experience being an uncle and seeing how he responds to that. I think he is undecided but as I've never myself met a Scorpio who was content to be childfree, I'm not optimistic it will remain that way. This is where our sun sign square will come to a head, I believe.

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posted June 02, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck. I'm CF too and I would never get involved with a non-CF man. I couldn't enjoy a relationship that I know is doomed.

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posted June 02, 2015 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aquacheeka
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Originally posted by Vajra:
There a definitely some Scorpio men who see children as not compatible with their life goals, and there are probably some who don't really care either way. I guess the Moon sign may make a difference; e.g. a Cancer moon guy might at some point long for children of his own, while an Aries Moon might see them more as a restriction to their freedom...etc. Moreover, it's possible you might even at some point change your own mind about it, it can happen. It did to me at least; I never wanted children (due perhaps to my Aries Moon) but suddenly at some point it seemed like the right thing to do...so I guess, in the bonding phase of a relationship I'd try not to think about it too much and just see where it goes.

What was key, btw, for us reaching that peaceful state after all that drama and turmoil we created was consciously letting go of fear. Worrying, nagging, expecting the worst, fear of abandonment, etc. are toxic in such a Pluto/Uranus setting. By trying to live fully in the moment, trusting the other as well as oneself, taking and accepting the other as they are, one can decide to let go of negative expectations and emotions and finally, become true comrades who can take on anything, while each transforming oneself for the better in the process. My take is that that's what Pluto/Uranus energy is for - a fundamental transformation (Pluto) towards freedom (Uranus).



He has his moon in Taurus (our moon sextile is actually our most exact aspect), which is a "maternal" placement I figure but then again, so is Pisces (my moon sign) so I don't read too much into that, I guess. I understand that some people are fluid in their decisions when it comes to children, but I know I won't be changing my mind. Child abuse runs rampant in my family and the cycle ends with me. Apart from that, I'm a fixed stellium and once I'm adamant about something I never change my mind about it. To give an example, I said I would never smoke in the 7th grade and I'm now 29 and I have never had a single cigarette in my entire life. So I tend to be pretty immovable once I make my mind up about something. Accepting him as he is seems to come pretty naturally to me, perhaps because of our soft Neptune aspect. Letting go of the fear of abandonment, a VERY Plutonian task, well, that's another matter altogether. I feel that Aquarians/Uranian types have a lot of trouble learning to live in the moment and not fixate on the future and just "be." This is where I think his grounded Taurus moon can be a huge boon to me and I can learn a lot from that. Whatever happens I know we were put together for a reason; we have 21 aspects between us, more than half of them are at 0 and 1 degree... we have 9 squares (10 if you count Lilith/ascendant), 6 sextiles, a trine and 5 conjunctions between the two of us. I know that this heavily karmic relationship is my vehicle for personal growth and I welcome it.

Thanks so much for your input. I've been trying to understand my own Plutonic/Uranian energy through this relationship... how one can be both obsessive and disconnected at the same time.

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posted June 03, 2015 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give me liberty, or give me depth!

Must we choose?


...Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Enjoying the conversation, however.

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posted June 04, 2015 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Aquarius Venus
Uranus in the 4th conjunct Sun out of house
IC ruler in the 11th quincunx Uranus
Uranus trine ASC
Uranus conjunct DSC ruler
Uranus quintile Moon and biquintile MC (2 deg though)

Pluto sextile Sun
Pluto opposite 8th house ruler Mars
Pluto water singleton
Pluto quindecile (165) MC

Do I qualify (meaning, do you want my opinion?)?

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posted June 08, 2015 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Give me liberty, or give me depth!

Must we choose?


I need that tee shirt.

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posted June 08, 2015 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
How does Pluto/Uranus manifest in our relationship? Well, the energies kinda came through in several separate waves. We first had this (Plutonian) phase of needing total closeness to the point of merging - an intense bonding phase that left no psychological stone unturned - brutal honesty, very raw emotionality, intense getting to know each other almost inside-out including sexually which showed us both surprising sides of ourselves previously unknown. I literally had no idea what I was capable of doing before, in many different areas of life. Then, we both felt a need to reaffirm one's individuality after a while. It was so scary to feel another's power over oneself and the Uranian urge is to rebel against it. This led to a phase of friction and conflict which was raw, sometimes painful, but strangely, honest and loving at the same time. It seemed almost cathartic, as if layers upon layers of past trauma (past injuries and insecurities mainly, but also bad character traits one doesn't like to face) were coming to the surface and then, released. Now, we sort of seem to have arrived at a very peaceful state where each gives the other total, unquestioning support when needed, but only then; and each gives the other space when needed (but we talk about it openly, as in: "I need to think something through, don't worry if I don't communicate much the next few days" - and the other will say, "Sure, good luck."). Other than that, we travel a lot and learn a lot together, always keep each other updated about interesting things we see or read. We also both have a long-term project going that could become each other's major life work, and these have overlapping areas where we work together.

Dear God, it's as if I could've written that myself! Fascinating. I absolutely grok it. Very, very deeply.

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