posted June 07, 2015 04:24 PM            

What is the progression of a Chiron Relationship? It starts out very intensely. If it is romantic relationship, one feels as if one has found one’s soul mate. If it is a platonic relationship, one feels as if one has found one’s BEST friend. One may feel as if all friends pale next to the intensity and depth of this one. The reason this is the case is because Chiron is one’s deepest wound. One’s deepest wound is wordless. Another understands it or does not. It is understood heart to heart, not head to head. Hence, when one finds an intimate who CAN understand one’s core pain, one feels as if one has found “home”.

Hence, the reader can understand the power of these relationships. The power is not diminished if the relationship ends. Longevity cannot measure the merits of this relationships. It’s value is in it’s intensity. The value is in it’s bonding. There is, always, value in bonding. One grows from having one’s emotions shared. Our Chiron relationships stay with us. We may yearn to revive them, but once the door shuts, I have never seen it open.

Usually, one person will try to revive the relationship but the other will feel violated. Also, the relationship seems to end over a trivial matter. I have wondered about this. My conclusion is that the emotions are so intense that a tiny spark develops into a conflagration, through no fault of either party. It is, simply, the nature of very, very intense pain and it’s sequelae.

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posted June 07, 2015 07:33 PM            

IOW, the main thing that brought them together was Chiron/shared pain.

Does that make it easier to understand?
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posted June 07, 2015 09:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Somewhat. It sounds as if you have no clear criteria. That's fine, actually. I feel the pattern may be more complex, too.

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Actually, I said I have a criteria. Moon aspects, close bonding aspects, close bonding and soul aspects with asteroids.

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posted June 07, 2015 09:03 PM            

I explained myself as much as I could to you. I would like to move on to the questions of others, if they have them. Take care.

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posted June 07, 2015 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Actually, I said I have a criteria. Moon aspects, close bonding aspects, close bonding and soul aspects with asteroids.

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That's rather vague.

For example, would this be MOON to other personal points? Outers? Asteroids?

What aspects with asteroids indicate 'soul bonding'? ALMA, perhaps? Maybe PSYCHE? Would these also be lunar aspects? Such as MOON/PSYCHE?

Close bonding; such as ... personal points conjunct angles? Maybe the IC?

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posted June 08, 2015 10:55 AM            

great discovery, dear. I remember I read your findings a while ago.

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posted June 08, 2015 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am not interested in doing research with anyone. I am sharing my findings for the edification of anyone who is interested.

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posted June 08, 2015 03:39 PM            

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posted June 08, 2015 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If I wanted to do research with you, I would be doing research with you. Do you know what the word respect means? If so, please use it.

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Ami, data is freely available to anyone. I'm doing my own research, as are you. I'm simply suggesting you not discount what could be very good data.

posted June 08, 2015 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My teachers are always, always the charts and picking the brains of people!

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posted June 08, 2015 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
... I'm starting to wonder whether there may not be a reporting bias in the datasets used by astrologers regarding e.g. Chiron's effects. Because let's face it, happily married people like my parents would never consult an astrologer (or a relationship counselor) in the first place; the people who do that are more often those who are already unhappy about something. This means that the part of the population who doesn't experience the problems attributed to Chiron is perhaps simply not being seen by an astrologer at all, and this could give the impression that Chiron "always" leads to problems whereas in reality, this impression may just be an artifact stemming from having a skewed data sample to start with. Just something to think about …

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posted June 08, 2015 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
However, given Selene came up with another such example (note the similarities?), I'm starting to wonder whether there may not be a reporting bias in the datasets used by astrologers regarding e.g. Chiron's effects. Because let's face it, happily married people like my parents would never consult an astrologer (or a relationship counselor) in the first place; the people who do that are more often those who are already unhappy about something. This means that the part of the population who doesn't experience the problems attributed to Chiron is perhaps simply not being seen by an astrologer at all, and this could give the impression that Chiron "always" leads to problems whereas in reality, this impression may just be an artifact stemming from having a skewed data sample to start with. Just something to think about…anyway, carry on.

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I adore this insight because I often find myself being a wet blanket on these forums when I visit them, because the questions that people ask frequently have very little to do with astrology. Many of them are about unrequited love, or trying to figure out how to jerry-rig a situation so that a particular person will come back to them, or trying to analyze the behavior of a person who is clearly not that interested.

I'm not trying to be a jack ass, here. I am not trying to be negative. I think that everybody would be better served if they were able to look clearly at their relationships, such as they are, and realize that what they're getting is simply not what they want. We would all be better people if we were just clear about what we want. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Thanks to a lot of misinformation out there (in movies, TV shows, and bad advice from magazines, not to mention useless self-help books and well-meaning friends, parents and relatives), many people seem to think that they want one particular thing. When they end up with something that fits that, they wonder why they are unhappy.

Mr Right and Miss Perfect don't always come in the guises that we dream up when we are teenagers.

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As far as the Chiron thing goes, I have my NN tightly conjunct (to the degree) his Chiron, which is incidentally conjunct his Ascendant at 2°. I have, quite honestly, never been in a better relationship, though obviously this is also due to a number of other factors. I have posted on these forums about it because I still can't quite believe my luck. The "healing" thing is definitely a theme for us. He once told me that he felt like a cracked bowl and that I was the glue keeping it together. What can I say? We make sense together.

posted June 08, 2015 10:16 PM            

Like Ami Anne mentioned a few times already,

not every relationship is Chironic. One or two apsects doesnt make it Chironic.

posted June 08, 2015 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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Like Ami Anne mentioned a few times already,

not every relationship is Chironic. One or two apsects doesnt make it Chironic.

Chironic relationship is one which brings two people together based on mutual sharing and healing of pain and consists of several , usually hard synastric aspects with Chiron. Unless there are soul bonding aspects between the two partners, the relationship which started intensely, ends suddenly at the slightest of provocation. The pain is never healed.

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I have tried to make this point again and again and again on here. Thanks for understanding, Orange

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posted June 08, 2015 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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Like Ami Anne mentioned a few times already,

not every relationship is Chironic. One or two apsects doesnt make it Chironic.

Chironic relationship is one which brings two people together based on mutual sharing and healing of pain and consists of several , usually hard synastric aspects with Chiron. Unless there are soul bonding aspects between the two partners, the relationship which started intensely, ends suddenly at the slightest of provocation. The pain is never healed.

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I agree with this, but I will say that it definitely feels Chironic (Chirotic?). It feels intensely healing. Both of us were coming to it with scars, and both of us are being healed. We've both talked about us not wanting to screw it up with each other.

I used his Chiron conjunct my NN as an example because it is one of the tightest aspects between us, but his is also widely trine (4°) my Venus, widely opposes (5°) my Mars, and my Chiron is widely conjunct his Chiron (4°) and tightly trine his MC (0°). I would say it is definitely a theme for us.

posted June 08, 2015 11:33 PM            

Can I put your post on the bottom of my article. It explains my point very well for those people who don't seem to get it? If so, which name would you like me to use? Is Orange OK lol

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posted June 09, 2015 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Orange

Can I put your post on the bottom of my article. It explains my point very well for those people who don't seem to get it? If so, which name would you like me to use? Is Orange OK lol

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Yes, I dont mind it. Orange it is

posted June 09, 2015 08:54 AM            

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