posted June 09, 2015 12:58 AM            

When we met, she had the same instant connexion to me that I did to her. We exchanged phone numbers within 24 hours of email correspondence (unheard of!) and were texting each other constantly within days. We wanted the four of us (my husband and I with she and her fiancé) to all live in a fun, funky townhouse.

We recognised each other from dreams we've had, and acknowledged that our friendship crosses dimensions. We'd comfort each other when our mothers got crazy, our fathers were ineffectual, and our men being buttheads. We adore each other's cats. We wrote together, dreamt together, and planned for an incredible future. We developed a sisterly love lickety-split. We had our own hashtag: PlutoGirlzRule. Because I'd never known another SUN conjunct PLUTO in Libra chica; and certainly not one with whom I bonded SO completely, and SO fast.

Sometimes, it felt too fast. But right. So, so, so right.

That was April 2014. We haven't spoken since February 2015. (She even coldly informed me on a Facebook post that 'she didn't know me then' when I'd referred to something in March 2014. (Wow. Really? It's just a month difference!)

How the hell did the best friendship I SWORE was the one I'd been waiting for since I moved here, fall apart so completely in less than a year?

I don't even know why she suddenly shut down from me. Neither does her fiancé. Yet, neither of us seem to be willing or motivated to take the step to confront the other. It's a strange, looming mystery that neither of us will solve. We were both so hurt, and I don't think she even knows why; I'm still trying to understand.

She wanted me to be her maid of honour. I didn't even get a personal invitation to the engagement party.

Sigh.

Who wants to shed a light?

posted June 09, 2015 03:24 AM            

It's really nobodies fault, it's something that cannot be helped. The Moon person is just being themselves and the Chiron is just what it is, pain.
Chiron does not want to have it's hurts triggered by the Moon persons energy, but it's still there waiting to be felt. All it takes is one wrong look, a misread emotion or a momentary lack of empathy and it can send the Chiron person into depths of despair and possibly make them feel they need to protect themselves.

It could also be the Chiron person that brings out deep pain in the Moon person because Chiron wants to heal the Moon. If the Moon doesn't see anything wrong with the way they are, they won't appreciate this.
Chiron trying to help will feel intrusive, possibly offending the Moon. Chiron will feel invalidated, misunderstood and unappreciated one or both might back off and not want to reopen to each other. It just hurts to much. 😔

The emotions that go with this placement are so very deep and they cut to the bone. Both have excellent intentions and deep care for the other and sometimes it's that depth that turns into the greatest issue, they care to much and want to help that they cannot separate themselves from the pain or the desire to heal the pain.

The person/relationship can get lost when the core emotions and insecurities are felt so deeply and allowed to overpower everything else. You can get to close to the fire and then you get burned.

There are other ways this can play out, but honestly if someone conjuncts my Chiron I know the pain is going to be overwhelming to the point eventually I will need a break so it doesn't hurt so much. They can be the most wonderful person, supportive and kind...I will still hurt just from feeling their energy that is bringing my deepest pain to the surface.
When I have touched someone's Chiron I know that am bringing out a very raw pain in them, just my presence alone feels like I'm ripping and band aid off them. I will unintentionally hurt them.
One time when someone's Chiron sat on my DC...they pursued me and got me to fall in love, only to find out they were caught in some fantasy and had a girlfriend. Her family owned half his business and he lost his business due to the lies he'd told and broke both our hearts in the process.

Chiron as a healer or the wounded brings out someone's wounds that need to be healed.....if someone is not ready to see these wounds and open to healing there is only pain that will come from the hard aspects to Chiron. No planet will be good, Venus, Moon, Jupiter...not even Valentine because any expression of those planets or asteroids brings out Chiron's wound to be healed or the Planets need to be healed by Chiron.
The pain always comes first with Chiron and very few ppl hang around long enough to work with or through it.

posted June 09, 2015 09:58 AM            

But her CHIRON is pretty close to your MC.
Perhaps there was something about how you expressed/extended yourself publicly that clashed with what she felt about you (MOON/CHIRON) and hurt her feelings.

With her being the MOON, she would know more about what causes the pain than you. You are just expressing yourself.

The fact that she says she didn't know you then is quite telling, as if she feels she saw another side to you that conflicted with her image of you. This could be the MC side, perhaps.
It's never going to end well if there's idolising anyway, which it sounds like there may have been initially. It doesn't allow us to be human.

posted June 09, 2015 10:22 AM            

i have been exploring the meaning of chiron conjunct moon and all of this which has been written here resonates with me.

I'm presently coming to a place within myself where i am able to acknowledge my pain and discomfort and sit with it, without constantly requesting validation from the Moon in my Chiron-Moon conjunction.

It is quite amazing and truly, deeply healing to be able to realize that love can exist even as our deep wounds are being pressed upon.... i do believe it is possible if we remain conscious--and committed, and keep remembering that there is truly deep commitment from the other--which, with my Ascendant conjunct his Ascendant and our composite Ascendant on the nodal axis, with Pluto right there looking across at our descendant, seems very promising indeed.

posted June 09, 2015 01:17 PM            

It's true that I'm actually the CHIRON here. I'll also give a little bit of background, as that seems useful now. When we met, it was a whirlwind. I'd never had a friendship start quite that quickly. Romances, yes, but not friendships. And not since I was 17!

I've thought it strange since it happened, given that I'M the CHIRON, but then I remember how my twin ray acted with my MARS just 4º from his CHIRON. And hers is much, much closer.

I still assert that I didn't actually do anything wrong. She perceived it as such as a means to cover her own hide. She became defensive, and then she lashed out. At me.

posted November 09, 2015 06:15 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ooooo Yay!!!

---

I know! And she even texted me this morning, too, just to say hi, and share how much more hopeful she's feeling about life.

Funniest thing is, in the interim, I just got on this crazy culinary cook. To where I became that annoying person who's actually Facebooking her food? But it's food I've made -- from scratch. So that okay, right? I get a pass, yeah?

Anyway, she's a professional chef, who just followed her dream HARDCORE since about a year ago. And it's remarkable what she's been able to do in that short time; to where she's even opening a restaurant with a celebrity chef here! And by 'opening', I mean, she's on the opening staff. But that's a BIG thing.

When we first became friends, I was kinda clueless. I don't mean I'm burning water clueless, but I'd always had an interest but felt I lacked the skill. Then something just ... HAPPENED about a month or two ago. I started following these recipes, and grabbing stuff I've got and taking chances, and having SO much fun. SO therapeutic.

And then the feeling of everyone being so happy from eating something you've made? Oh, my God ... it was like, 'I AM a Draconic lunar Cancerian! I REALLY AM!'

So that when my boyfriend stayed with my during Hallowe'en, I got to make dinner, and we watched these classic grotesque silent films, and walked along the Canals ... (of Venice, CA) and it was SUCH a wonderful time. It was so peaceful, and relaxing, and romantic, and amazing. And one of the definite highlights was -- okay, okay, okay -- having the most incredible sex of my life (thus far) -- yep, THAT happened -- and then setting to work making dinner for the next hour as he got a little work done, enjoying said dinner while watching classic films, and then going for a stroll during the mystique of the Hallowe'en night.

It was ... magical.

And it turns out that things I thought I was doing out of lazy ignorance are actually some of her own tricks! I think that we might become a lot closer than we even ever were, because I get more about her passion, and I have a genuine interest in becoming a better cook.

It just ... HAPPENED that way.

And the reason she came to me was because she knew that I would REALLY understand what's going on. And she's right. I do. In a way that others in her life just can't quite grok. Which was one of the reasons why we became SO insta-bonded -- in such an uncharacteristic way, too.

I contacted her because I saw how her Facebook posts were following a definite ... theme -- and it wasn't good. She responded right back, admitting that her relationship went south, just after we'd last been in touch, and then just proceeded to get A LOT off of her chest. And I just listened. I was just there -- and letting her know that I'm there, and if I need to be JUST there sometimes -- then I can be.

And I thought, okay, that was unexpected. It was less than a week ago. It's like I didn't even need to hear her say why she was in this bind -- being that I'd counselled her and her now ex-boyfriend -- ex-fiance, actually -- and even though she was FIRST my friend, when you're part of a couple, you know how you have a tendency to have it turn into 'the couple' rather than a more solo connexion. It's not fair -- but it happens. And when they're a couple, and you're married ... you know how it can get.

I think she worried that my loyalties would be divided. So when she told me about it, I actually ditched the therapist hat. Completely. I JUST listened to my friend in pain, feeling upset and betrayed and confused and wronged. And rather than do what is ACTUALLY my more normal mode these days -- a more balanced perspective -- let's not throw anyone under the bus, now ...

[IMG]https://38.media.tumblr.com/49de686b9f39ddab49be246984a1298b/tumblr_msfnyf4VHB1s9pzmno1_500.gif[/IMG]

Because, DAMN IT ALL, but sometimes we JUST need to VENT that, and have our friends say, 'HELL YEAH, HE SUCKS!' It's ... a woman thing! Or something.

But I think I get it now! She needed that, and maybe she always KINDA needed that, and I never quite got it in my 'zenly ways' (which are hardly constant, but, y'know -- more often than not). But in the interim, I was able to REALLY think on it and go -- heeeey, waaaaait a minute ...

And I did it because I felt that she NEEDED it. She just needed it. Even if she vanished again, and that was that -- I JUST wanted to give her what I felt she actually needed in that moment. To NOT feel alone, to have a modicum of self-respect, even if it's wrapped up in the oldest girlfriend sandwich in the world: he's a dick smothered in jerk sauce, with a side of you're amazing.

And while this is MUCH more complicated, the long and short of it is that someone came back into her life from 5 years ago, and she is ECSTATIC.

And she wanted to share her ecstatic bliss with me!

I was pretty happy.

We had a really good chat, which ended with hugs, and her saying that she's pretty nervous excited about the restaurant opening soon. I know my husband won't be down to going to the opening (for ... reasons) but ... I know that Jack would, which means ... I'd have to make some moolah for that, as it is so not cheap. Heh! But a worthwhile investment, I feel, to be there for such a major milestone.

posted November 09, 2015 07:02 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ooooo Yay!!!

---

I know! And she even texted me this morning, too, just to say hi, and share how much more hopeful she's feeling about life.

Funniest thing is, in the interim, I just got on this crazy culinary cook. To where I became that annoying person who's actually Facebooking her food? But it's food I've made -- from scratch. So that okay, right? I get a pass, yeah?

Anyway, she's a professional chef, who just followed her dream HARDCORE since about a year ago. And it's remarkable what she's been able to do in that short time; to where she's even opening a restaurant with a celebrity chef here! And by 'opening', I mean, she's on the opening staff. But that's a BIG thing.

When we first became friends, I was kinda clueless. I don't mean I'm burning water clueless, but I'd always had an interest but felt I lacked the skill. Then something just ... HAPPENED about a month or two ago. I started following these recipes, and grabbing stuff I've got and taking chances, and having SO much fun. SO therapeutic.

And then the feeling of everyone being so happy from eating something you've made? Oh, my God ... it was like, 'I AM a Draconic lunar Cancerian! I REALLY AM!'

So that when my boyfriend stayed with my during Hallowe'en, I got to make dinner, and we watched these classic grotesque silent films, and walked along the Canals ... (of Venice, CA) and it was SUCH a wonderful time. It was so peaceful, and relaxing, and romantic, and amazing. And one of the definite highlights was -- okay, okay, okay -- having the most incredible sex of my life (thus far) -- yep, THAT happened -- and then setting to work making dinner for the next hour as he got a little work done, enjoying said dinner while watching classic films, and then going for a stroll during the mystique of the Hallowe'en night.

It was ... magical.

And it turns out that things I thought I was doing out of lazy ignorance are actually some of her own tricks! I think that we might become a lot closer than we even ever were, because I get more about her passion, and I have a genuine interest in becoming a better cook.

It just ... HAPPENED that way.

And the reason she came to me was because she knew that I would REALLY understand what's going on. And she's right. I do. In a way that others in her life just can't quite grok. Which was one of the reasons why we became SO insta-bonded -- in such an uncharacteristic way, too.

I contacted her because I saw how her Facebook posts were following a definite ... theme -- and it wasn't good. She responded right back, admitting that her relationship went south, just after we'd last been in touch, and then just proceeded to get A LOT off of her chest. And I just listened. I was just there -- and letting her know that I'm there, and if I need to be JUST there sometimes -- then I can be.

And I thought, okay, that was unexpected. It was less than a week ago. It's like I didn't even need to hear her say why she was in this bind -- being that I'd counselled her and her now ex-boyfriend -- ex-fiance, actually -- and even though she was FIRST my friend, when you're part of a couple, you know how you have a tendency to have it turn into 'the couple' rather than a more solo connexion. It's not fair -- but it happens. And when they're a couple, and you're married ... you know how it can get.

I think she worried that my loyalties would be divided. So when she told me about it, I actually ditched the therapist hat. Completely. I JUST listened to my friend in pain, feeling upset and betrayed and confused and wronged. And rather than do what is ACTUALLY my more normal mode these days -- a more balanced perspective -- let's not throw anyone under the bus, now ...

[IMG]https://38.media.tumblr.com/49de686b9f39ddab49be246984a1298b/tumblr_msfnyf4VHB1s9pzmno1_500.gif[/IMG]

Because, DAMN IT ALL, but sometimes we JUST need to VENT that, and have our friends say, 'HELL YEAH, HE SUCKS!' It's ... a woman thing! Or something.

But I think I get it now! She needed that, and maybe she always KINDA needed that, and I never quite got it in my 'zenly ways' (which are hardly constant, but, y'know -- more often than not). But in the interim, I was able to REALLY think on it and go -- heeeey, waaaaait a minute ...

And I did it because I felt that she NEEDED it. She just needed it. Even if she vanished again, and that was that -- I JUST wanted to give her what I felt she actually needed in that moment. To NOT feel alone, to have a modicum of self-respect, even if it's wrapped up in the oldest girlfriend sandwich in the world: he's a dick smothered in jerk sauce, with a side of you're amazing.

And while this is MUCH more complicated, the long and short of it is that someone came back into her life from 5 years ago, and she is ECSTATIC.

And she wanted to share her ecstatic bliss with me!

I was pretty happy.

We had a really good chat, which ended with hugs, and her saying that she's pretty nervous excited about the restaurant opening soon. I know my husband won't be down to going to the opening (for ... reasons) but ... I know that Jack would, which means ... I'd have to make some moolah for that, as it is so not cheap. Heh! But a worthwhile investment, I feel, to be there for such a major milestone.

posted November 09, 2015 07:47 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ooooo Yay!!!

---

I know! And she even texted me this morning, too, just to say hi, and share how much more hopeful she's feeling about life.

Funniest thing is, in the interim, I just got on this crazy culinary cook. To where I became that annoying person who's actually Facebooking her food? But it's food I've made -- from scratch. So that okay, right? I get a pass, yeah?

Anyway, she's a professional chef, who just followed her dream HARDCORE since about a year ago. And it's remarkable what she's been able to do in that short time; to where she's even opening a restaurant with a celebrity chef here! And by 'opening', I mean, she's on the opening staff. But that's a BIG thing.

When we first became friends, I was kinda clueless. I don't mean I'm burning water clueless, but I'd always had an interest but felt I lacked the skill. Then something just ... HAPPENED about a month or two ago. I started following these recipes, and grabbing stuff I've got and taking chances, and having SO much fun. SO therapeutic.

And then the feeling of everyone being so happy from eating something you've made? Oh, my God ... it was like, 'I AM a Draconic lunar Cancerian! I REALLY AM!'

So that when my boyfriend stayed with my during Hallowe'en, I got to make dinner, and we watched these classic grotesque silent films, and walked along the Canals ... (of Venice, CA) and it was SUCH a wonderful time. It was so peaceful, and relaxing, and romantic, and amazing. And one of the definite highlights was -- okay, okay, okay -- having the most incredible sex of my life (thus far) -- yep, THAT happened -- and then setting to work making dinner for the next hour as he got a little work done, enjoying said dinner while watching classic films, and then going for a stroll during the mystique of the Hallowe'en night.

It was ... magical.

And it turns out that things I thought I was doing out of lazy ignorance are actually some of her own tricks! I think that we might become a lot closer than we even ever were, because I get more about her passion, and I have a genuine interest in becoming a better cook.

It just ... HAPPENED that way.

And the reason she came to me was because she knew that I would REALLY understand what's going on. And she's right. I do. In a way that others in her life just can't quite grok. Which was one of the reasons why we became SO insta-bonded -- in such an uncharacteristic way, too.

I contacted her because I saw how her Facebook posts were following a definite ... theme -- and it wasn't good. She responded right back, admitting that her relationship went south, just after we'd last been in touch, and then just proceeded to get A LOT off of her chest. And I just listened. I was just there -- and letting her know that I'm there, and if I need to be JUST there sometimes -- then I can be.

And I thought, okay, that was unexpected. It was less than a week ago. It's like I didn't even need to hear her say why she was in this bind -- being that I'd counselled her and her now ex-boyfriend -- ex-fiance, actually -- and even though she was FIRST my friend, when you're part of a couple, you know how you have a tendency to have it turn into 'the couple' rather than a more solo connexion. It's not fair -- but it happens. And when they're a couple, and you're married ... you know how it can get.

I think she worried that my loyalties would be divided. So when she told me about it, I actually ditched the therapist hat. Completely. I JUST listened to my friend in pain, feeling upset and betrayed and confused and wronged. And rather than do what is ACTUALLY my more normal mode these days -- a more balanced perspective -- let's not throw anyone under the bus, now ...

Because, DAMN IT ALL, but sometimes we JUST need to VENT that, and have our friends say, 'HELL YEAH, HE SUCKS!' It's ... a woman thing! Or something.

But I think I get it now! She needed that, and maybe she always KINDA needed that, and I never quite got it in my 'zenly ways' (which are hardly constant, but, y'know -- more often than not). But in the interim, I was able to REALLY think on it and go -- heeeey, waaaaait a minute ...

And I did it because I felt that she NEEDED it. She just needed it. Even if she vanished again, and that was that -- I JUST wanted to give her what I felt she actually needed in that moment. To NOT feel alone, to have a modicum of self-respect, even if it's wrapped up in the oldest girlfriend sandwich in the world: he's a dick smothered in jerk sauce, with a side of you're amazing.

And while this is MUCH more complicated, the long and short of it is that someone came back into her life from 5 years ago, and she is ECSTATIC.

And she wanted to share her ecstatic bliss with me!

I was pretty happy.

We had a really good chat, which ended with hugs, and her saying that she's pretty nervous excited about the restaurant opening soon. I know my husband won't be down to going to the opening (for ... reasons) but ... I know that Jack would, which means ... I'd have to make some moolah for that, as it is so not cheap. Heh! But a worthwhile investment, I feel, to be there for such a major milestone.