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Topic: Comparison techniques
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 11, 2015 11:53 AM
Cer and LoLo, or anyone elseis there some other comparison techniques that you use and I omitted from this list: * Synastry , with asteroids * Composite * Davison * First Meeting chart * Composite of self and First Meeting chart * Draconic synastry - Draconic to Draconic and to each natal * Helio synastry * Planetary Geometry * Progressed Synastry * Progressed Composite * Midpoints * Dwads * 9 and 11 Harmonic * Each Solar Return * Tertiary for timing
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 12, 2015 01:30 AM
Age harmonics Not that your list isn`t extensive enough. In fact I start wondering if we might look at so many charts that something will come up with sheer coincidence. lol I love some of these methods though IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2231 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 12, 2015 02:13 AM
Analyzing each individuals natal chart to check for romantic taste. Which is, checking the symbolism of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses of each person. Planets in those houses, and what's happening with the rulers of those houses in each natal chart. Checking the secondary 7th house, the gender planets by sign, house and aspect, and the secondary houses of Mars and Venus... A Gemini Venus on a guy might be attracted to Gemini/Mercury women or to women who light up his 3rd house. A women with Mars in Pisces could be attracted to Pisces/Neptune guys or guys who resemble her 12th house. Basically, I try to identify what each person's 'type' is (keeping in mind some people have a variety of 'types' they could be attracted to based on their natal chart). Then I cross reference the two charts to see if each person is the other person's type. If the first person matches the symbolism in the other person's chart romantically, but the other second person doesn't fit their partner's attraction symbolism, the attraction can be lop-sided. If both partners match each other's type quite well, then Hooray! We likely have a mutual attraction. Each person will see the other as ideal in some way, and feel comfortable envisioning a future with them. It's possible to be attracted to someone (due to synastry aspects) that doesn't match our romantic ideals showing in our charts but... Something about that person will not feel 'right' to us. It feels like something is missing in the connection. Matching our partner's romantic ideals gives the feeling that we are their type and 'right' for them. If we don't match the 5th, 7th, 8th houses, the secondary 7th house, or the gender planets of our partner, I have seen cases where conjunctions to the Vertex Axis (either end depending on the person), or a sign match to our partner's natal Juno position can make up for some of this. The Sun, Moon, and Asc in our chart should show in our partner's romantic taste because they are such important parts of our chart. Any stelliums in our chart should show in our partner's romantic taste as well for the same reason. If one of these factors is not showing in our partner's chart, that part of our chart connecting with their Juno or Vertex Axis can make up for it. For example, if your Moon sign does not show your partner's romantic attraction profile in their chart, having your Moon in the same sign as their Juno, or conjunct their Vertex or Antivertex, can do the trick. This would create an attraction to your Moon in your partner as well. Every person's attraction pattern is unique and has to be judged on a case by case basis. For instance, if somebody has Uranus conjunct their 7th house ruler they might be attracted to Aqua's. But if we only look at the cusp sign of the 7th, and any planets there, we'll miss this detail and wonder why they dated one Aqua after another. The short version of all this is that I check for the possibility of mutual attraction by looking at each individuals natal chart, and comparing the attraction profiles of each partner to the other.
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 12, 2015 03:52 AM
Ceri,any repetition of close synastric aspects in the harmonic synastry, have you noticed? IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 12, 2015 03:53 AM
I like your posts, Lotisyou are so right about starting with the natals! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 12, 2015 04:22 AM
Orange, any REALLY tight conjunction or opposition will appear as the same aspect in the Dwads as well as in harmonic charts. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 12, 2015 05:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Orange, any REALLY tight conjunction or opposition will appear as the same aspect in the Dwads as well as in harmonic charts.
It seems so...i just did several harmonics and it shows up in each one of them I wonder anout the dwads, thou.. Its a double conjunction, not opposition.. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2231 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 12, 2015 06:20 AM
Just thought of one more technique. Huber house sign charts. Where we take the position of a planet in a house and translate it to a degree. A planet in the middle of the 11th house will turn into a planet at 15 Aquarius. Once we have all the placements for both people, we compare them like in Synastry. A natal planet in one person's 4th house could oppose another natal planet in the other person's 10th house. Some interesting connections can be seen here. I do it with placidus houses. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 12, 2015 08:30 AM
Lotis,Does Astro.com offer huber calculated chart? I do understand the logic behind it, thou.. Even in this case, our double Venus- Sun synastric opposition translates into a double conjunction, using the huber method. His Venus sits on his DSC, my Sun sits on my DSC - hence a conjunction by Huber His Sun sits 10 degrees into his 8th house, my Venus sits about 5 degrees into my 8th house, or - another conjunction by huber and a double whammi again. Wow. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18299 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 15, 2015 05:35 AM
Don't forget Persona comparisons (explanations in the first thread) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001352.html IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2231 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 15, 2015 06:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: Lotis,Does Astro.com offer huber calculated chart? I do understand the logic behind it, thou.. Even in this case, our double Venus- Sun synastric opposition translates into a double conjunction, using the huber method. His Venus sits on his DSC, my Sun sits on my DSC - hence a conjunction by Huber His Sun sits 10 degrees into his 8th house, my Venus sits about 5 degrees into my 8th house, or - another conjunction by huber and a double whammi again. Wow.
Yes, this can be calculated on astro.com. Go to 'Chart Drawing Style' and select Huber House chart. I use placidus so then I go down to 'House system' under options and select placidus. Otherwise it shows up as a koch chart. After you click to show the chart, go to the PDF option to see the data. That data shows what degree of a house all of the planets are at. The house degree of the Aries point in this chart is the Asc degree, the house degree of zero Taurus is the second house cusp, and so on. IP: Logged |
polkadotstars Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Registered: Feb 2015
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posted June 15, 2015 06:36 AM
I'm bookmarking this page due to Lotis' response!
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 15, 2015 06:51 AM
I agree with Lotis. any comparision has to start with the basic - the natal profile. IP: Logged |
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1738 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 15, 2015 07:06 AM
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 15, 2015 07:23 AM
Personally I feel without that basic analyis and "fit" any other synastry technique is like a house built "on sand".(exception being progressed synastry, which can temporary invoke the impression there IS this basic exchange, but if not in the natal synastry also present, this will fizzle out soon= IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 15, 2015 09:13 AM
hmm Huber charts seem interesting keeping their default house system Kochmy Moon opposite his Mercury 3 my Jupiter opposite his Neptune exact my Saturn conjunct his uranus 1° my uranus conjunct his Venus exact my Neptune opposite his Saturn 3° my Neptune conjunct his Avx 1° my NN conjunct his Avx exact my SN conjunct his Saturn 3° my Vertex conjunct his Uranus 3° and using my preferred Placidus system we have for example
my Sun opposite his Pluto 1° my Pluto conjunct his Moon 4° and for the equal system for example
my Venus opposite his Pluto 4° my Pluto conjunct his Venus 2° IP: Logged |
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1738 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 15, 2015 10:24 AM
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 15, 2015 10:50 AM
huber to huber, it is a house-comparision chart.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18299 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 15, 2015 11:00 AM
Huber to tropical, no, Ceri? I mean, is this not more important than the other comparison?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 15, 2015 11:10 AM
It`s all tropical.Huber is just the placement in relation to the houses. So Huber to Huber. And then maybe in a second step Huber (housechart) to the signpositions. Both can be compared, but the difference in what they say, need to be considered. In the normal zodiacchart (signpositions) we find the seed and potential of what is within the personality of a person. innate. The housechart shows how these things are shaped and molded by the contact with our environment and surrounding and what the environment really sees. Which is nto always that pure spontaneious Self. For example my Venus-Pluto-square becomes a Venus-Pluto-trine in the Huber house chart (Koch houses), as Venus is on the 5th degree of the 2nd house and Pluto is on the 6th degree of the 10th house. First of all it means that others see that Venus-pluto-theme in a more stable and less drastic/ dramatic way than it was inscribed in my sign-chart. Possibly it also means that I was well cushioned and supported by my environment in earlier days, so the potential exaggeration in the square was softened and made more grounded and subtle even. in fact my pretty scattered natal chart (signchart), becomes very coherent in the housechart. Moon, Venus, Pluto, Neptune and NN all interconnected. The Huber school of astrology only considers conjunction, opposition,s quare, trine, sextile, quinkunx and semisextile as aspects. And have a firm set of orbs. Huber is not just a method to draw a housechart, but they represent an unique very individual astrology-system/school, and the housecharts are embedded in their system.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18299 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 15, 2015 11:32 AM
What is interesting to me in the comparison with the Huber chart is what LibranDream once suggested.Comparing the house positions with one's natal...it is very revealing to see the things that are "behind" your natal placements. Usually, with this comparison, you discover themes that are already present in the chart. Then comparing one's Huber placements with the other's natal (sign) placements. Usually there are very significant conjunctions and I think we did a thread here where we analyzed these comparisons, I need to find it lol IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18299 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 15, 2015 11:34 AM
There it is: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001550.html IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 5789 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 15, 2015 01:07 PM
It's amazing, the Huber housechart. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18299 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 16, 2015 01:28 PM
I have a slightly different approach. My synastric analysis always starts with the visual impact of the synastry, namely aspects. Lots of them. These aspects are always there in romantic synastries, long or short, the longest, the more aspects you see between: Moon, Venus, Neptune to Sun, Mars, Pluto, Saturn and Uranus. Usually simple or combined DWs. If not, there are feminine-to-masculine aspects of various kinds. Tight or wider, they both seem to matter, in the large scheme of things (geometry). They usually are a harmonious combination of hard and soft, depending on the natal needs.Then I check the geometrical/sign/house/overlay symbolism, always there, very important: matching the type. But without aspects, nothing or little happens, in my experience. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 29974 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 16, 2015 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But without aspects, nothing or little happens, in my experience.
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