posted April 27, 2011 03:40 PM            

pluto doesn't seem to have any hard aspects though. mine sextiles his uranus and saturn. his pluto trines my mars.

posted April 27, 2011 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
I think someone needs to exhibit obsessive qualities natally to even have the capacity to become obsessed in a relationship. Then if someone else's planets touch that point they become a target. I'm obsessed with a man whose Ascendant falls at the midpoint of my Mars and Pluto in the 7th in Scorpio. NEED I SAY MORE? But yes, in my experience Pluto and Scorpio are obsessive. Taurus can be possessive but that's different...

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posted April 27, 2011 05:29 PM            

I have ONE QUESTION though...

In hindsight, she was very obsessive. I liked it but was more calm about everything. Then she tells me she feels like she lost herself and all of a sudden turns everything off, at what seems like, the snap of a finger and now I am the one obsessed in regards to wondering what the hell happened as it has been nearly two weeks of no contact. Would any of these signify this kind of relationship and turn of events? Flip flop in obsession.

Moon opposition my Saturn, less than 4 degree

Venus opposition my Saturn, exactly 2 degree

my Mars sextile my Saturn, very tight orb .33

Saturn conjunction my Jupiter 7.6 orb is maybe too big...

Saturn conjunction my Neptune 2.67

Saturn sextile my Pluto, very tight = 0.37

Saturn sextile my Pallas 2.4 degree

Saturn square my Juno 7.5 (too big?)

Saturn square my Vesta 3.68

my Pluto conjunction Saturn 6.28

my North Node trine Saturn 4.4

Mercury trine my pluto, less than 4

Jupiter opp my pluto, .17 orb only

Uranus sextile my pluto, 1.6

Pluto conjunction my Sun 2.1

Pluto sextile my Jupiter 2.43

my ceres trine pluto, 1.88

posted April 27, 2011 05:58 PM            

What about the composite?
What is pluto doing in the composite?

posted April 27, 2011 08:17 PM            

Its the moon/pluto oppostion... Ahhh

Thats how I felt also.. While the relationship is on going, it feels intense but good, but once it ends, its very hard to get over, and your really feel the loss... Its like getting hit by a brick wall, When you feel the person leaving you...

You two also have 12th house sysnatry.. Alot of similarities..

I also have this with Pisces. He was just a short fling, and I actually ended it... But of course he agreed... Both of us feeling it's no big deal... Then BAMMMMM... As soon as we ended it, it was hit with pain and alot of bad feelings.. It was a totally shock...
I spent hours crying for someone that "was no big deal"...

Later that night he called me, just to talk I think he was feeling it also... We then decided we needed to have a friendship.. I guess that was our way of keeping each other, but letting go w/o pain... It helped... but IDK... Im still trying to get over this, and that was over a year ago...
BUT I have to see him just about everyday.. sooo... shrug... what can I do?

posted April 27, 2011 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by carl:
Seems very similar to me Lioness. Ofd course, I think you are further along in your post=breakup, I can easily envision the two of us being where you two are in one year.

I guess when it is all said and done, ours was short too, under 18 months. But if this is not a "soulmate" kind of connection, can not imagine why this is so hard, and, kind of wanna guard myself from soulmate connection if that will be more intense and more possibilty of deep hurt. Cause this f'in sucks!

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Yeah I feel ya.. I do I really do...
Well both of us our highly Uranus, and we have a lot of Uranus aspects. So it was quick... It was electric though...

We work together, (imagine having those feelings going on at work) So we have no choice BUT to keep it a descent level...

We are friends, bc Its even harder to Not talk to each other, when we see each other..

But its so unstable, that we go through periods of not speaking to each other, and its just awful then...
Im usually the one that freaks out and takes off...
I ended our friendship like 4x already..
But because I was feeling the obsession so deeply..
It get unbearable.. I pull away for months.. but something strange always happens that brings us back to talking...

posted May 02, 2011 03:41 PM            

I had two experience in my life with obsession and my charts with both people are similar. First off, in my natal chart my Pluto and Venus are conjunct in Scorpio, so perhaps I am inclined to these experiences.

The first one, it started out as dislike at first sight. I instantly felt incredibly hostile towards him for no real reason. Later on, he got into trouble for plagiarizing someone else's art. I think stealing, especially someone's intellectual property, is a cardinal sin so I just chalked it up to, "hey, my gut feeling was right." Then one day, I sat across from him at a dinner party hosted by our friend and something just clicked, we just couldn't take our eyes off each other the whole night. After dinner I left and he followed me out to my car. That night started a one year relationship. We moved in together exactly a month after that dinner party, isolated each other from our friends, and spent 24 hours a day together alone, sometimes for weeks. Neither of us were allowed to leave the home without the other unless it was for work and we didn't take any personal calls without telling the other about who it was and what it was about. I can't explain why, these were just rules we NEEDED to feel safe.

Most of our neighbors told me later they thought we were drug addicts. I changed a lot...I just became this awful poisonous person. We spent a lot of time cultivating each other's hatred of and distrust in the outside world. Once again, I think this was our subconscious way of brainwashing ourselves into thinking our relationship was the only safe place.

It ended because I started liking someone else, and when I told him this, it completely shattered the entire delusion for him. He threw the most dramatic "I'm breaking up with you" fit of my life, and he told me he couldn't even look at me anymore without wanting to throw up. Funnily enough, that's how I felt when I first met him! To this day I still don't hate him like I initially did, in fact I'm still very attracted to him, but I'm completely cleansed of the entire experience emotionally and spiritually.

So as for our charts...we have no significant Pluto connections in synastry. We have happy Pluto aspects in the composite, sextile Sun and Venus, and trine Mars. Composite Saturn squares our Moon and opposes our Mars. In synastry, my Saturn opposes his Venus and his Saturn squares my Mercury. However, I've had hard Saturn aspects before and I agree 100% with CrazyAquarian: "saturn is more kinda stuck, hard to get away from, not in a creepy way."

One thing someone pointed out to me after we broke up is that we do have a double Osc. Lilith-Moon conjunction in synastry. His is conjunct my Moon and mine is conjunct his, and this is opposing his Mars. Both of these are nearly exact, even the Mars opposition. I realized this was more important later on in my second obsessive relationship, because Osc. Lilith showed up again in that synastry.

The second obsession experience: my current relationship, though we're not officially dating. Thankfully, there's a time gap in between the two.... This time we take turns being obsessed with one another.

The problem is he switches randomly from pursuing me and playing the victim of my indifference, to being this passive observer with a smirk on his face the second I start to reciprocate his feelings. He baits me into pursuing him, then pretends its one sided. As soon as I get tired of this and return to my business, he's after me again. Repeat repeat repeat. If this doesn't sound obsessive enough, during one of his pursuing phases he actually broke into my house to see me because I refused to answer his phone call.

Pluto: In synastry, absolutely nothing except loosely conjunct to each others (we're close in age). In composite, conjunct Sun loose orb and trine Mars. Saturn: In synastry, his Saturn is conjunct mine which squares my Sun and Mars. Also, since his Saturn is conjunct his Sun natally, mine is conjunct his Sun in synastry. In composite, opposing Mars and trine Moon.

But, the really interesting part is Osc. Lilith is in this synastry chart too. Mine opposes his Mars exact (he has the exact same Mars placement as guy #1 to the degree). His Osc. Lilith is conjunct my Mercury, Sun, and Mars, Mars being the tightest orb conjunction. There's been a million times where I've wondered if he's doing this because he hates me on some level. Interesting because there was hate in my first relationship too, and I think hate is an important component of obsession, because you wouldn't treat someone that way unless you hated them on some level. I know it's just two examples but it's a pretty clear similarity for me.

posted May 02, 2011 10:26 PM            

I think one of the main reasons why I keep Lilith in the back of my head in regards to synastry is because there's not really a general consensus on which Lilith means what. For example, the Lilith in that article is going by a different Lilith calculation than the one I use, but I'm inclined to think that the meanings are the same. The Lilith they use in my chart is shifted over a little from Oscillating Lilith, so it doesn't make the same aspects.

I read an article about which Lilith to use and found this quote:

In my counseling practice I use the true Black Moon Lilith (BML), never the mean BML. Often the calculated position of the latter is more readily available, so a lot of people use it. The main reasons cited for the use of the mean over the true position is that the orbit of the BML is highly erratic, with the true position varying up to 30 degrees from that of the mean, and its sudden change of direction and velocity. As Juan Antonio Revilla points out, use of the true BML is the only of the two options that lends itself to the “irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith.” If you study and open to the story of the myth, you’ll see that using the mean position makes absolutely no sense.

from: http://www.tdjacobs.com/NotesonLilith.html

That pretty much sold me on using Osc. Lilith lol.

In case anyone was curious, this also a great Lilith site:
http://www.sanjaperic.com/2009/02/22/all-about-lilith/

posted May 02, 2011 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
northern - Are you still into him at all?

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posted May 02, 2011 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
Northernlad...sorry i didn't see you asked me question! No I only mentioned my own aspect as an example. In my experience, yes people with moon/pluto aspects are pretty obsessive...particularly if its in hard aspect. what house is it in? If it's in a relational house that would be even more true but generally I've noticed Moon/Pluto people have a hard time letting go once they are emotionally invested. I think Pluto to personal planets is generally like that- obsessive compulsive until they get to a breaking point. But like I said, I really think natal comes before synastry so if he has a natal aspect like that it plays out in his relationships regardless. If one of your planets touches that point it offers a melding of energies- some aspect of you either creates a tension or is in harmony with that part of him (or both!)...but I don't even really think you need someone's planets to touch a sensitive spot in your chart for you to just experience things from that point of view regardless.

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posted May 03, 2011 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by northernlad:
he's got pluto conj moon in scorpio which opposes his sun conj jupiter in taurus. also, pluto squares mars in aquarius.

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your mars trine his already obsessed way of attachement. a scorpio moon in scorpio conjunct pluto is an obsessive person by nature. ur mars just triggers a personal configuration. but most probably this person acts this way in most situations