posted June 24, 2015 09:57 PM            

thank youuuuuuuu xxxxxxx

posted June 25, 2015 10:28 AM            

I only know that this is true - the most important people in my life (either romantically, or friendship-wise, family-wise, or even meaningful career connections, all have at least some important conjunctions from draco to natal and vice versa. Usually, the more the person matters to me, the more of these conjunctions/oppositions.

For example, someone that is the most important to me:

My D.Sun conjunct his N.Uranus 1,5
My D.Moon opposite his N.Sun 3
My D.Mercury conjunct his N.SN exact
My D.Venus conjunct his N.SN exact
My D.Venus conjunct his N.Uranus 3
My D.Jupiter opposite his N.Sun exact
My D.Saturn conjunct his N.Venus exact
My D.Uranus conjunct his N.Sun/Moon MP exact
My D.Pluto conjunct his N.Jupiter and our composite Sun 1
My D.BML conjunct his N.DSC exact
My D.MC conjunct his N.ASC 2

His D.Sun opposite my N.Chiron exact
His D.Moon conjunct my N.Pluto 4
His D.Mercury opposite my N.Moon exact
His D.Mercury opposite my N.Jupiter 3
His D.Venus conjunct my N.Uranus exact
His D.Neptune conjunct my N.Sun 3
His D.Vertex conjunct my N.Mercury 1
His D.IC conjunct my N.Chiron exact

posted June 25, 2015 04:11 PM            

Tropical to Draco aspects show us what's outstanding here. The Draco is where we're heading, and aspects to the tropical (where we are now) show what's to be done here in order to get us there -- 'where we're headed'.

In an oversimplified nutshell, yes, to be sure.

My dMOON is conjunct my boyfriend's SUN, for example. We're a curious, even exceptional example of twin flames, that's causing us to rethink a lot of what we thought we knew about twin flame / soul connexion / karmic astrology.

posted June 25, 2015 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
They say it is also future oriented, and conjunctions show one thing, oppositions the other, but i forgot, which was which.

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NNODE is future-oriented, or where we're 'going'. Of course, that's relative. Time is linear only insofar as the direction -- or perspective -- from which we're viewing it. When I'm here, in the present, then my NNODE (Draco, or the Rahu chart) shows where I'm 'going'. But from the perspective of my Rahu chart, the present (my tropical) is my past. What I do here influences that -- and vice versa.

Lately, I've been wanting to explore the Ketu chart (SNODE-derived) as it's the natural counterpart to the Draconic. These are goals, mind; much like a sort of mapping system. The sidereal is a bit more reliable in terms of account rather than plan. We can sign up for a course (Rahu/Ketu) but have something interfere in our ability to actually attend it. Thereby the Ketu might show what our intentions were, or where we were going, or even a bit of what we did, while the sidereal holds the key to events that happened to shape our present (tropical).

So, in short, Selene, it's all relative.

Oppositions, as you'd imagine, are conjunctions in the Ketu chart. It's just a way we can 'cheat' to grasp what the conjunctions might be in our Ketu.

Here's a way it works:

My boyfriend's MARS is 22º LIB; it's 0º conjunct my dDSC (Rahu) and, thus, my kASC (Ketu). I have a 12H VENUS which only reveals its secrets by way of the other charts: leaving mid-VIRGO and transposing to 20º-22º ARIES -- conjunct his MOON (0º) -- but that's another story for a different day. In my Draco, it's still 2º above the horizon in my 12H, but now at 20º ARIES. Thus, in my Ketu chart, it's 20º LIBRA.

In a strange, roundabout sort of way, we have a multidimensional VENUS-MARS conjunction of 2º -- his MARS to my kVENUS. Now my Ketu VENUS was where my VENUS was 'intending' to go; developing qualities in Libra, grabbing a spot on the home team. It was never left entirely behind, either, with my SUN in 19º LIBRA, and my PLUTO at 21º.

posted June 25, 2015 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
It shows important people in your life (close conjunctions and oppositions). As it is connected to the nodal axis, it shows also people you are connected to on the soul level, people you have met in your past lifelines, etc. They say it is also future oriented, and conjunctions show one thing, oppositions the other, but i forgot, which was which.

I only know that this is true - the most important people in my life (either romantically, or friendship-wise, family-wise, or even meaningful career connections, all have at least some important conjunctions from draco to natal and vice versa. Usually, the more the person matters to me, the more of these conjunctions/oppositions.

For example, someone that is the most important to me:

My D.Sun conjunct his N.Uranus 1,5
My D.Moon opposite his N.Sun 3
My D.Mercury conjunct his N.SN exact
My D.Venus conjunct his N.SN exact
My D.Venus conjunct his N.Uranus 3
My D.Jupiter opposite his N.Sun exact
My D.Saturn conjunct his N.Venus exact
My D.Uranus conjunct his N.Sun/Moon MP exact
My D.Pluto conjunct his N.Jupiter and our composite Sun 1
My D.BML conjunct his N.DSC exact
My D.MC conjunct his N.ASC 2

His D.Sun opposite my N.Chiron exact
His D.Moon conjunct my N.Pluto 4
His D.Mercury opposite my N.Moon exact
His D.Mercury opposite my N.Jupiter 3
His D.Venus conjunct my N.Uranus exact
His D.Neptune conjunct my N.Sun 3
His D.Vertex conjunct my N.Mercury 1
His D.IC conjunct my N.Chiron exact

I have had great tropical synastries yet no one ever felt like this, and i think, it is shown by these placements. Our souls have been through so much together that it is simply shown by these aspects.

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thank you for your opinion Selene, this open my eyes quite a bit =) thank you!!

posted June 25, 2015 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
'Accuracy' is relative, Angel.

Tropical to Draco aspects show us what's outstanding here. The Draco is where we're heading, and aspects to the tropical (where we are now) show what's to be done here in order to get us there -- 'where we're headed'.

In an oversimplified nutshell, yes, to be sure.

My dMOON is conjunct my boyfriend's SUN, for example. We're a curious, even exceptional example of twin flames, that's causing us to rethink a lot of what we thought we knew about twin flame / soul connexion / karmic astrology.

However, I feel that fact that we have a 2º conjunction of our dSUNs, along with the dMOON-SUN conjunction, is pretty indicative of what we 'are'; complex as that is to truly define.

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thanks aubyanne ! i appreciate your definition and rely on it much so =) this makes perfect sense !!! =D

posted June 26, 2015 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
there's usefulness in checking out the Draco oppositions, to see what's happening in the Ketu. It's easier than casting the Ketu itself -- and I can be a bit maths lazy.

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posted June 26, 2015 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Another thing that might be worth checking out is how the draconic charts relate to the composite chart. It could show how the North Node path of each person connects to the relationship as a whole. Perhaps the person does not individually impact the draconic chart that much, but there could still be something about the way the two of you function when you combine forces with them which sets off the draconic chart.

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posted June 26, 2015 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That .... and also the draco composite to tropical composite. VERY enlightening

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posted June 26, 2015 10:36 AM            

other aspects between those: dVenus conj composite NN, dVenus conj composite IC, angle superpositions, at first glance.

Draco Composite Sun is at the Aries Point conjunct NN and opposes Composite Moon/Pluto (obviously on Draco SN)

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posted June 26, 2015 10:37 AM            

One thing I've gotta say though: I feel that the tropical synastry/composite has to be binding enough to give the draconic chart TIME to play out.

I've looked at charts with some people I know casually, and the draconic charts suggest deep potential for growth together, while the tropical charts suggest impediments to forging any kind of significant relationship at all (for example, unaspected sun in tropical composite or lack of Saturn aspects.) Perhaps these relationships are yet to evolve, but in the meanwhile, I have this theory, that you need tropical "glue" to enable the draconic to unfold.

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On a different note:

I think Doux Reve mentioned on another thread that she's seen a lot of Mercury aspects in the draconic-to-tropical synastry of friends, and I've found this to be true.

* My good friend's draconic sun is conjunct my tropical Mercury.
* My husband's draconic Mercury is almost exactly conjunct my sun.

posted June 26, 2015 11:01 AM            

My tropical Jupiter: 16 Aries
My draconic Venus: 16 Aries
Her draconic Uranus: 16 Aries

My draconic Neptune: 22 Aries
Her tropical Venus: 24 Aries

My draconic sun: 25 Taurus
Her tropical BML: 25 Taurus
Her tropical Jupiter: 26 Taurus

Her ASC (birth time given by mother): 15 Gemini
Her draconic Karma: 15 Gemini
My draconic Mercury: 15 Gemini
My tropical Mars: 16 Gemini

Her draconic moon: 23 Cancer
My draconic moon: 28 Cancer

My tropical Saturn: 0 Leo
Her draconic Mars: 2 Leo

Her NN: 24 Libra
My draconic Mars: 26 Libra

My tropical sun: 15 Cap
Her draconic Saturn: 15 Cap

posted June 26, 2015 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That .... and also the draco composite to tropical composite. VERY enlightening

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Our draco composite overlays the trop composite in an astonishing way.
In the trop Composite these three groups - a Sun- Venus conjunction, a Moon - Saturn and the Nodes, they shift and fall on each other by conjunction, and at the exact degree at that!
DRAC Moon-Saturn = TROP Sun-Venus
DRAC Sun-Venus = TROP Nodes
DRAC Mars = TROP Moon-Saturn

posted June 26, 2015 11:18 AM            

It's a bit of work to track these conjunctions down, and I've never tried to before. While I have my charts with my best friend handy:

Tropical composite NN 7 Scorpio
Tr Comp Uranus 8 Scorpio

Tr Comp sun 20 Aquarius
Dr comp Uranus 20 Aquarius

(See that?!)

Tr comp moon 3 Pisces
Dr comp Pluto 5 Pisces

posted June 26, 2015 12:27 PM            

I feel draco charts are pretty accurate. It's a soul description.

posted June 26, 2015 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
This is probably my favorite part of relationship analysis.

One thing I've gotta say though: I feel that the tropical synastry/composite has to be binding enough to give the draconic chart TIME to play out.

I've looked at charts with some people I know casually, and the draconic charts suggest deep potential for growth together, while the tropical charts suggest impediments to forging any kind of significant relationship at all (for example, unaspected sun in tropical composite or lack of Saturn aspects.) Perhaps these relationships are yet to evolve, but in the meanwhile, I have this theory, that you need tropical "glue" to enable the draconic to unfold.

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On a different note:

I think Doux Reve mentioned on another thread that she's seen a lot of Mercury aspects in the draconic-to-tropical synastry of friends, and I've found this to be true.

* My good friend's draconic sun is conjunct my tropical Mercury.
* My husband's draconic Mercury is almost exactly conjunct my sun.

edit - correction

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ahhhhh this is very interesting you say because i certainly have a lot of glue in synastry with someone so this makes quite lots of sense! and thats crazy that you mention draco mercury being indicative in platonic friendships or some sort of ease in communication.

your husbands draco mercury CONJUNCTS your sun....my partners draco's mercury(6thhouse) as well CONJUNCTS my tropical 7th house EXACT. that's cool that mercury plays a great role here.

posted June 26, 2015 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Adding to what I was saying above, my draconic synastry with my best friend is just unbelievable. I think anyone who doubts the validity of draconic charts ought to spend some time looking at striking examples like the following Not to be vain but look:

My tropical Jupiter: 16 Aries
My draconic Venus: 16 Aries
Her draconic Uranus: 16 Aries

My draconic Neptune: 22 Aries
Her tropical Venus: 24 Aries

My draconic sun: 25 Taurus
Her tropical BML: 25 Taurus
Her tropical Jupiter: 26 Taurus

Her ASC (birth time given by mother): 15 Gemini
Her draconic Karma: 15 Gemini
My draconic Mercury: 15 Gemini
My tropical Mars: 16 Gemini

Her draconic moon: 23 Cancer
My draconic moon: 28 Cancer

My tropical Saturn: 0 Leo
Her draconic Mars: 2 Leo

Her NN: 24 Libra
My draconic Mars: 26 Libra

My tropical sun: 15 Cap
Her draconic Saturn: 15 Cap

My draconic Uranus: 16 Pisces
My tropical moon: 18 Pisces
Her draconic Pluto: 18 Pisces

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wooed this is great! i wish i can list more stuff to show you but i will another time =D but this definetly resonates the friendship i can see by the aspects you two have. as i said me and my best friend we have a venus mars conjunct as i had mentioned earlier.

posted June 26, 2015 01:20 PM            

I just checked mine and almost fell off my chair

My Drac ASC - DSC is 28' Pisces - Virgo
His progressed draconic is 28' Virgo - Pisces

His Drac ASC- DSC is 14' Taurus - Scorpio
My progressed drac ASC - DSC is 14' Taurus - Scorpio

posted June 26, 2015 03:39 PM            

You and me share some interesting Draco-links, too. But we already knew that.

I do agree also that a solid tropical synastry is needed for the Draco to take roots and really bloom.

posted June 26, 2015 04:00 PM            

pr Dr Mars 25°50 Aries
Dr Venus 25°57 Aries
(in the tropical the conjunction is still a little wider, I guess the reason for the bit of difference in orb, is due to the fact the node moves too).

In the beginning of May I had a progressed fullmoon, and in the Draco progressions it fell onto

Dr p Moon 28°29 Scorpio
Dr p Sun 28°29 Taurus

Currently my Dr p Moon has already entere 00 Sagittarius, but my Dr p Sun is still 28 Taurus of course.

In th ecurent timeframe

his Dr p Vertex 27°09 Taurus
his Dr p Moon 26°07 Scorpio

this Vertex-Moon-opposition will be exact for him at the end of july on 27°12 Scorpio-TAurus.

his Dr pr Moon applies to an opposition to my Dr pr Sun, which will peak at the beginning of september.

At the time time his Dr pr Sun on 3°47 Virgo will be square my Dr pr Moon on 3°51 Sagittarius as well.

So these two will peak simultaneously, which means

the pr Dr composite will have a sesisquare between Sun and Moon with only 2 minutes of orb

Sun on 16°20 Cancer
Moon on 1°23 Sagittarius

the pr Dr c-ASC on 3°50 Virgo falling onto his pr Dr Moon on 3°47 Virgo
the pr Dr c-IC on 5°08 Sagittarius still in orb for conjunct my pr Dr Moon on 3°51 Sag.